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Old 11-10-2013, 11:31 AM   #26
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Im hoping most of the comedy takes place in the first act, before Winter Soldier makes his entrance, after that... Im hoping the film stays serious. Sometimes comedy can break tension in scenes and with a villain as serious as WS id rather the film stay serious then break the tension every 2 seconds like Iron Man 3.

Thor: The Dark World handled the comedy a lot better, but id say it would have to be a lot less then that though.

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I'll be fine as long as it's not Darcy level.
Ditto. Darcy was the one thing I hated about Thor: TDW. Most of her "comedy" was unfunny and should have been edited out of the film. The other humor worked very well, however, so she was a minor problem.


Fortunately, the Captain America series doesn't have any annoying side characters whose sole purpose is to provide comic relief, so I don't think there will be anything to worry about. Character-driven humor works best, and that's what we saw in the banter between Steve and Natasha in the trailer.

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As long as it's not stupid comedy(i.e. unfunny comedy like the let's give ourselves stupid code names scene in XMFC or all the Steve Urkel-ish humor from the Raimi Sidey series). I really haven't had reason to complain about the humor in the MCU films yet so I say stay the course on that one.
Seriously bashing non-MCU films to make it look like MCU films is great at using humour. Yeah they are great in forcing humour. This is the thing I hate the most about MCU fans.

EDIT: For the record, I could list a couple of stupid comedy that were featured in Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World. For Iron Man 3, that scene where Tony saw a guard and the guard surrendered his gun and said "people here are sooo crazy". Then for TDW, that scene where Loki and Thor were shape-shifting (like as if they have been recently the best of buddies) then Darcy kissing her intern/Thor riding a subway in the middle of the chaos that was happening in the movie. So stupid comedy.

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Wow. Im surprised, i quite enjoy the tone and jokiness of the recent Marvel films, and hope they keep doing it. Chris Evans is a funny dude even if he hasnt had much chance to be funny as Cap.

Winter Soldier will probably have humorous elements, but will be serious when it needs to be

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I don't think the 'amount' of comedy is an issue, I think the timing is. There were a few scenes in Avengers that I thought should have really gone downhill, but Whedon has a mantra about take it real serious, "then for goodness sake tell a joke." As though it's a necessity, and that kind of storytelling now rides all over the MCU.

Now, when the comedy works, it's good, like Loki's defeat, which was in a way a climax of the film was turned into a Mr. Magoo cartoon gag ending with "Pun god." That was silly, but because it was *surprising* it worked. When TTDW had a particuar cameo, I busted out laughing, because it was so surprising. Alternately, in the climactic battle of the film:
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Thor riding in the subway was not funny, and sort of deflated the whole battle scene. We'd already seen him awkwardly handle Midgard before, in the volvo and hanging his hammer. The world is ending, dude! Go topside and fly back to battle or the universe dies. A woman falling against his chest as the subway starts doesn't get any chuckles. We've already seen women fawn over him awkwardly. Get it together, people!


So that comedy attempt deflated the big battle! It was high risk, and it didn't pay off. You shouldn't be taking such risks with your climactic battle. Do you do this with the fight choreography? Not really sure if a punch will look interesting and intense to the audience, just throw it in anyway. How about the CGI, put your untested artists on the final battle? No, you make sure that stuff is tight, you're just paying off what you did all film.

But when the comedy doesn't work, and it's in the middle of a morose scene, it takes away the heaviness of the scene dramatically without leaving anything in its place, and that makes the whole scene suck, and tarnishes the entire story point and arc its connected to in a way. If the characters have time to make un-funny jokes while they're family is dying... why should I care about their family?

Now old Peggy and young steve is ripe for comedy, you kinda have to at least try there, but confronting Bucky and finding out who he is, that betrayal needs to be felt, hard on both sides.

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Like the Kryptonian ships that look like giant dildo-rockets? That kind of humor?
Man of Steel had two (count 'em, TWO!) funny moments. One was with the logs through the truck, the other was with the drone at the end.
General Swanwick: "That was a 12 million dollar piece of equipment."
Superman. "Was."


That whole hour in between was so dark and dreary. Ugh. It's sad when the Batman movies are funnier than yours.

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I don't mind stupid comedy (BTW, one of the reasons I love Dumb and Dumber and cautiously looking forward to the second one. This is The End, which I thought was very funny has a lot of that) but I don't want to see it in a Superhero movie.

I want to see some clever humor, like I see on shows like Parks and Recreation (damn NBC for bumping that show) and Arrested Development or even seen on a show like Castle or Hawaii Five-0.

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Seriously bashing non-MCU films to make it look like MCU films is great at using humour. Yeah they are great in forcing humour. This is the thing I hate the most about MCU fans.

EDIT: For the record, I could list a couple of stupid comedy that were featured in Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World. For Iron Man 3, that scene where Tony saw a guard and the guard surrendered his gun and said "people here are sooo crazy". Then for TDW, that scene where Loki and Thor were shape-shifting (like as if they have been recently the best of buddies) then Darcy kissing her intern/Thor riding a subway in the middle of the chaos that was happening in the movie. So stupid comedy.

Oh please, if I'd picked the FF movies(which I just as easily could have) then you probably wouldn't have cared. I get annoyed at Singer/Raimi fans as well. They act just like MCU fans do, or DC fans or whatever.

Apparently you just can't sit back and let someone with an opposing viewpoint/opinion from you express that without challenging it. Seems pretty insecure in your convictions if you ask me. You could just say "I disagree. I liked that humor in those films" and move on. Humor is subjective anyway, probably the most subjective of all art.

I liked the MCU examples you mentioned. They're not the pinnacle of comedy but they worked more or less IMO as opposed to the examples I gave which to me fell flatter than a pancake. Again, all in my own opinion of course.

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Man of Steel had two (count 'em, TWO!) funny moments. One was with the logs through the truck, the other was with the drone at the end.
General Swanwick: "That was a 12 million dollar piece of equipment."
Superman. "Was."


That whole hour in between was so dark and dreary. Ugh. It's sad when the Batman movies are funnier than yours.

You forgot Lois and her piss bucket/phallic measuring jokes and "I just think he's so hot".

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I hope they keep the funnies on this low. Or at the same level of the first film. I hope....

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I don't think we'll see the same intrusive comedy in TWS that some say compromised IM3 and TDW. To begin with, the Iron Man and Thor movies were already steeped in humor to various degrees, while TFA was relatively more serious in tone. I don't see that changing with TWS even in the post-Avengers era.

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I think the amount of humour in CATFA is appropriate.

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Oh please, if I'd picked the FF movies(which I just as easily could have) then you probably wouldn't have cared. I get annoyed at Singer/Raimi fans as well. They act just like MCU fans do, or DC fans or whatever.

Apparently you just can't sit back and let someone with an opposing viewpoint/opinion from you express that without challenging it. Seems pretty insecure in your convictions if you ask me. You could just say "I disagree. I liked that humor in those films" and move on. Humor is subjective anyway, probably the most subjective of all art.

I liked the MCU examples you mentioned. They're not the pinnacle of comedy but they worked more or less IMO as opposed to the examples I gave which to me fell flatter than a pancake. Again, all in my own opinion of course.
You just have a lot of wrong opinions that its hard not to say anything.

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You just have a lot of wrong opinions that its hard not to say anything.
Saying my opinions are wrong is nothing but................wait for it....................YOUR OPINION. I could say that as far as I'm concerned, your opinions are wrong. But it's a useless exercise. This can go back and forth forever and I have no interest in trying to convince you that I'm right. So I'm for the agree to disagree approach. But that doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion in the future and you're just going to have to accept that I've got the same right as you do to express it.

I don't go around telling other people their opinions on movies are wrong. I say I disagree or that I don't see where they are coming from or how they came to their conclusion...but I never tell them they are just wrong. Try it some time.

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The more I think about it, the less I'm concerned with the amount of comedy, and the more I'm concerned with balance. If the movie goes to some really dark places, then a lot of comedy is necessary in order to balance it out and not have you feeling depressed at the end of the movie. If the movie doesn't go to very many dark places, then comedy should be light.

I understand comedy to cut tension, but if you can just have comedy for comedy's sake without heavy drama, then you can just have drama for drama's sake without comedy, in equal measure... or else you have a comedy movie.

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I believe we are seeing that given the extremely subjective nature of comedy, that no matter which way they take it you just aren't going to please everybody. I'd rather they not bother trying to do so and just pick a direction they like and stick with it....even if it's not what I personally care for. At least some people who are like minded will get a lot of enjoyment out of it then. That's far better than trying to have a little of both and ending up with a mish/mash type of film that even fewer will enjoy. Win big or fail big because you were swinging for the fences. Just don't give me more eh-it's ok type stuff. 2013 hasn't been a very memorable year for superheroes on film. I want 2014 to correct that.

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Some but not a whole lot. While there can be funny moments in capts world i dont think when dealing with the things cap deals with there should be a whole lot to laugh about. While i know there will be a healthy amount of jokes, i just hope they will dial it back a bit and not go too far (iron man 3 went way too far down like path at times it felt like stand-up)

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I don't understand this groaning about the comedy in the movies. It makes the characters and atmosphere more real in my opinion. I don't know how you all live, but I live and completely surrounded by people who try to make light of things, throw in one liners and in general, just love to enjoy life with a good laugh. It's why I prefer the MCU films over the DC ones, which are just way too dark for me (except for TDK, because at least the Joker had awesome comedic touches)

Hell, my favorite scene in Captain America TFA, was when Steve just kissed his girl, and then was looking at Tommy Lee Jones, and then Jones cried out "I'm not gonna kiss ya!" It was a good, human moment.

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For me the funniest line in Cap was when Chris Cooper sees steve rogers on the machine and says 'somebody, get that kid a sandwich'

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For me it's "He's still skinny" and the no fluids scene. Jones and Tucci contributed a lot to making that film work.

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Pretty much everything Tommy Lee Jones did or said was gold.

I'd like to point at the scene where he has a chat with Zola and say that's a pretty good example of a scene that is dark, tense and sinister but still funny.

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Enough to keep it from feeling too angsty, self important, and pretentious.
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I don't understand this groaning about the comedy in the movies. It makes the characters and atmosphere more real in my opinion. I don't know how you all live, but I live and completely surrounded by people who try to make light of things, throw in one liners and in general, just love to enjoy life with a good laugh. It's why I prefer the MCU films over the DC ones, which are just way too dark for me (except for TDK, because at least the Joker had awesome comedic touches)
I agree one hundred percent. The way humor is included into the MCU movies makes them more real, more life-like. some people act as if IM3 and T:TDW were Farelly Bros. movies when in fact almost all of the jopkes in the movies came from people behaving like real people, joking to relief tension or pressure in dire moments.
And I expect the same thing from CA:TWS. If Lars von Trier can have moments of humor in his movies, a superhero blockbuster movie should have them too.

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I'm actually a huge fan of humor. I've seen some CBMs that I felt lack personality, and when I walked out of the theater, I realized that it lacked wit and humor. That goes a long way for me toward enjoyment of a movie. That's a huge reason why I'm so enamored of the Marvel (Studio) movies; I love the comedic aspect of them. And I don't feel like it's been super intrusive so far.

I guess the biggest flaw has been when the movie is marketed differently than what it really is, and I do think that was IM3's biggest issue for me. Personally, while I loved the buddy-cop-action aspect of the movie and thought it wasn't just a great CBM but a GREAT action movie (Let's face it, it was a Shane Black movie through and through), it was marketed far more seriously than that, and I do think that jarred a lot of us on these messageboards.

The little snippets I've seen of Thor 2, and I'm going to see it tonight with friends finally, I've liked the humor because it seems integral to the characters. Loki is a sarcastic bastard punk, and it seems like they've kept that about him. Thor's humor comes from him being a fish out of water and how he interacts with the Warriors 3 and Loki. Darcy, like or or hate her (I love her, personally!) has a very in-your-face style, etc.

That type of comedy doesn't bother me at all, so long as it's not long scenes like Reed Richards' bachelor party in the FF movie or (ugh!) Peter Parker infected with the symbiote in SM3.

So long as the Russos and the writers of CATWS find ways to insert wit into the movie that makes sense to the character development, WS should have humor in it. I love what little bits I've seen in the trailer with Widow teasing Cap about his love life and Cap's line in the elevator - I think that one's just perfectly written and delivered and who doesn't love a confident/slightly cocky Cap? If they keep it to that level, maybe even use Crossbones and WS for some blacker humor a la The Joker, it'll work I think.

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