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Old 11-30-2013, 12:53 AM   #701
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Yeah that may be true, but when you have Wonderwoman in the same Universe of "Man of Steel" then people are going to wonder if there's an attraction between the two. To be honest... I can't imagine them just being platonic friends and I don't think lois can as well
If Wonder Woman ends up getting her own film, then it's likely that she'll be romantically linked with her traditional canon partner, Steve Trevors.

Plus, Lois doesn't strike me as the person who would feel totally insecure about Clark being friends with Diana, and even if she were, then Clark isn't the type of character to give the impression that he would willingly cheat on his partner for someone else.

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The Phil Jimenez issue of his WW run where we see Lois spend a day with Diana (and we get to see a THE VIEW styled talk show featuring all of her peers in the DCU) covers almost all the angles I need when it comes to WW vs Lois in the context of what the relationship is like between all three.

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Except that were talking about Charles Soule and not Geoff Johns, so bringing up JL is irrelevant.
I was referring to the relationship as it is being presented in the comics in general. Most of it is from that book and it's soooo bad.

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Also, I see little evidence that she's a bad influence on him and the reason why he could beat Apollo is because Apollo is the LAST God who should fight Superman. Apollo is sun god and he's fighting a guy who draws his power from the sun. Apollo is essentially a giant solar battery to Superman. If this had been a different god, then things may have go differently, simple as that.
Oh, the logistics of it are sound. That's not the problem. It was just an entire issue wasted on chest thumping. Yeah, we get it. All the characters in this issue are strong. Yippee.

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Hello, I am new to the hype! I have browsed these forums for the past few years and decided to join in on the fun!

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^Welcome. I hope you find it enjoyable here. What's your take on MOS and the Bats/Supes follow up film?

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If Wonder Woman ends up getting her own film, then it's likely that she'll be romantically linked with her traditional canon partner, Steve Trevors.

Plus, Lois doesn't strike me as the person who would feel totally insecure about Clark being friends with Diana, and even if she were, then Clark isn't the type of character to give the impression that he would willingly cheat on his partner for someone else.

I don't believe WW will ever get a solo film, unless Marvel successfully manages to launch a major money-making female solo film first. WB doesn't want to take a risk with WW.


Wonder Woman will be a Justice League franchise character. They'll have to hook her up with someone.

I'm fine with the Superman/Lois relationship but once it runs its course and is explored onscreen, Wonder Woman seems like the logical next step.

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I don't believe WW will ever get a solo film, unless Marvel successfully manages to launch a major money-making female solo film first. WB doesn't want to take a risk with WW.


Wonder Woman will be a Justice League franchise character. They'll have to hook her up with someone.

I'm fine with the Superman/Lois relationship but once it runs its course and is explored onscreen, Wonder Woman seems like the logical next step.
You're expecting a Kingdom Come movie?

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^Welcome. I hope you find it enjoyable here. What's your take on MOS and the Bats/Supes follow up film?
Thank you. I don't care much for Man of Steel, there are a lot of problems I have with the film due to the poor writing. Zack Snyder did a decent job directing it though. Batman and Superman in a movie together is enough to make me interested in the sequel, otherwise I wouldn't care.

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Thank you. I don't care much for Man of Steel, there are a lot of problems I have with the film due to the poor writing. Zack Snyder did a decent job directing it though. Batman and Superman in a movie together is enough to make me interested in the sequel, otherwise I wouldn't care.
Hope you join in on the "fun" more later on as production starts rolling early next year. Otherwise, not much here that intriguing for you I guess.

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Hope you join in on the "fun" more later on as production starts rolling early next year. Otherwise, not much here that intriguing for you I guess.
I enjoy speculating about the movie and what from the comics may pour into the film. Its all good.

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You're expecting a Kingdom Come movie?

Maybe when Cavill is like 45 or 50.

One hopes that he keeps the role as long as Jackman playing Wolverine.


Fox has him. Marvel has RDJ. WB/DC had Bale, but that's over unfortunately. Over too soon. I hope Cavill doesn't get rebooted that fast.

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I don't believe WW will ever get a solo film, unless Marvel successfully manages to launch a major money-making female solo film first. WB doesn't want to take a risk with WW.

Wonder Woman will be a Justice League franchise character. They'll have to hook her up with someone.

I'm fine with the Superman/Lois relationship but once it runs its course and is explored onscreen, Wonder Woman seems like the logical next step.
1. IF Wonder Woman is received very well in the same manner that Mark's Hulk and Bruce Banner was in "The Avengers", then I don't see why that wouldn't give them any reason not to go forward with a solo film.

If they get people behind their take on Wonder Woman and find a competent director with a good vision for her solo film, then she will get one.

And even if she doesn't get one for some time, who's to say that Steve Trevor couldn't be introduced in a JL film? I mean he's in the military and all so it wouldn't be forced into the story if he dropped by when some Global threat appeared.

2. Plus, even IF Steve doesn't appear, why does Wonder Woman automatically need to have a love interest right away? And why does it have to be Superman of all people? There are plenty of Justice League members that she could be paired up with IF the need for her to be romantically tied with someone was absolute, which I would personally find insulting to the character because one of the foundations for her character is to not be defined by her connection with some dude.

3. Also, define "running its course"? Even when Amy and Henry are done playing these roles, why should Wonder Woman suddenly appear and be Superman's next choice? Is it because of the Age thing? You do realize that there have been several tales where Superman actually stayed single after Lois died of natural reasons and stayed that way until he was reunited with her after he died himself.

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If Wonder Woman ends up getting her own film, then it's likely that she'll be romantically linked with her traditional canon partner, Steve Trevors.

Plus, Lois doesn't strike me as the person who would feel totally insecure about Clark being friends with Diana, and even if she were, then Clark isn't the type of character to give the impression that he would willingly cheat on his partner for someone else.
I don't believe Clark would ever cheat on Lois. However, I believe there would be a love triangle between Diana and lois if Clark is single.

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I don't believe Clark would ever cheat on Lois. However, I believe there would be a love triangle between Diana and lois if Clark is single.
Well, given that Goyer said that Lois and Clark will be in a "real" relationship by the next time that we see them, I guess that's not going to happen then regarding the triangle.lol

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i very seriously doubt we ever see a WW/Clark pairing on screen.

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Thank you!

You know though all this talk of Wondy has me wondering how many films Cavill is actually committed to. I know Marvel signed some of their stars to like 9-film commitments. Does anyone if this is the case for Cavill? I'm under the impression he only has a 3 commitment deal, but I don't even know why I think that...lol

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Well, given that Goyer said that Lois and Clark will be in a "real" relationship by the next time that we see them, I guess that's not going to happen then regarding the triangle.lol
When and where did he say this? I certainly hope it's true.

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Getting into the nitty gritty of Clark/Superman and Lois' relationship is going to take a back seat in this film I think. Some time has to have passed (maybe the full 2 years of "real world" time) when the sequel starts up. If anything we'll see them in rough spots, at best, for the sake of drama if nothing else.

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1. IF Wonder Woman is received very well in the same manner that Mark's Hulk and Bruce Banner was in "The Avengers", then I don't see why that wouldn't give them any reason not to go forward with a solo film.

If they get people behind their take on Wonder Woman and find a competent director with a good vision for her solo film, then she will get one.

It's because WB is hesitant about the selling and marketing power of a female-led solo superhero film. They're really more than likely to wait for Marvel to try it first before attempting it themselves.





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And even if she doesn't get one for some time, who's to say that Steve Trevor couldn't be introduced in a JL film? I mean he's in the military and all so it wouldn't be forced into the story if he dropped by when some Global threat appeared.

They're introducing so many heroes in the film itself. It seems more logical to hook her up with someone on the team part of the main cast (think Spock and Uhura), instead of developing a side character like Steve in JL. Steve would be a secondary character if he's introduced through JL.



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2. Plus, even IF Steve doesn't appear, why does Wonder Woman automatically need to have a love interest right away? And why does it have to be Superman of all people? There are plenty of Justice League members that she could be paired up with IF the need for her to be romantically tied with someone was absolute, which I would personally find insulting to the character because one of the foundations for her character is to not be defined by her connection with some dude.
Likely being the only female in the JL franchise, her being a love interest to someone is a given.



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Also, define "running its course"? Even when Amy and Henry are done playing these roles, why should Wonder Woman suddenly appear and be Superman's next choice? Is it because of the Age thing? You do realize that there have been several tales where Superman actually stayed single after Lois died of natural reasons and stayed that way until he was reunited with her after he died himself.

Depends if they want to make this version of Superman into a mortal with a human life span, or make him someone who will outlive everyone.

Also, DC agreed to remove the marriage of Superman and Lois from the comics. It's gone. According to Levitz, a good half or more of DC's staff were against it to begin with.

It's no longer a guarantee that Superman ends up with Lois Lane. I'd like his adventures to continue after his relationship with her, instead of him being weighed down unnecessarily.


I personally don't have a preference either way, but given the non-traditional way they began the Lois and Superman relationship in this film, I don't expect it to play out in a traditional manner for the rest of the series. It's up in the air.

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It's because WB is hesitant about the selling and marketing power of a female-led solo superhero film. They're really more than likely to wait for Marvel to try it first before attempting it themselves.

EVERYONE is hesitant about selling and marketing a female led solo superhero film




They're introducing so many heroes in the film itself. It seems more logical to hook her up with someone on the team part of the main cast (think Spock and Uhura), instead of developing a side character like Steve in JL. Steve would be a secondary character if he's introduced through JL.


it makes no sense to start a relationship between Clark and Lois just to wreck it because Diana is around


Likely being the only female in the JL franchise, her being a love interest to someone is a given.

Based on what?




Depends if they want to make this version of Superman into a mortal with a human life span, or make him someone who will outlive everyone.

Also, DC agreed to remove the marriage of Superman and Lois from the comics. It's gone. According to Levitz, a good half or more of DC's staff were against it to begin with.

It's no longer a guarantee that Superman ends up with Lois Lane. I'd like his adventures to continue after his relationship with her, instead of him being weighed down unnecessarily.
Comics have nothing to do with the movies

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Bacon and eggs. Death and taxes. Politics and corruption... AND LOIS AND CLARK. Nuff' said.

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I guess we'll find out about that. That too is up in the air at this point.

The Goyer/Snyder/Tsujihara/DC Entertainment era promises to be a different animal than how these properties were handled with Nolan.

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It's because WB is hesitant about the selling and marketing power of a female-led solo superhero film. They're really more than likely to wait for Marvel to try it first before attempting it themselves.
I think it's likely we'll get Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel movies eventually.


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They're introducing so many heroes in the film itself. It seems more logical to hook her up with someone on the team part of the main cast (think Spock and Uhura), instead of developing a side character like Steve in JL. Steve would be a secondary character if he's introduced through JL.
Batman. Wonder Woman and Batman have shown romantic chemistry in the past. She has absolutely none with Superman, no matter how hard DC tries.


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Depends if they want to make this version of Superman into a mortal with a human life span, or make him someone who will outlive everyone.
What does that have to do with anything?

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Also, DC agreed to remove the marriage of Superman and Lois from the comics. It's gone. According to Levitz, a good half or more of DC's staff were against it to begin with.
It's a reboot. Everything was removed. And most Superman writers seem to prefer focusing on the Superman and Lois relationship regardless.


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Yeah, I'm with those that say that there is no basis or reason for why Wonder Woman and Superman should or would hook up with each other.

So far, the only excuses that I've heard for justifying it have been very shallow. Contrary to popular belief, Superman isn't the type of person that cares about something like being able to outlive someone as a basis for why he shouldn't be with that person.

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Moore commented about how kind of dramatically inert the WW/Supes pairing is in the "What do you get for the man that has everything" comic story. It's either Supes or WW that say something about them getting together as being "too obvious".

For myself, my head canon says that Superman and Wonder Woman do find each other attractive and romantically interesting, but in the end they both know it would not be forever. Superman does pine for someone else also, so I see WW as being mindful of his feelings for Lois as well.

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