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Old 02-07-2014, 04:15 AM   #376
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X-Men is a team based franchise. A few spin-offs are fine, but they absolutely shouldn't try and emulate the Marvel formula because the franchises don't compare. Team films should be the regular fixture, not solo outings.

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Old 02-07-2014, 09:28 AM   #377
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They could just save this "origin" stories in the X-Men team movies. Its not like they can't show flashback scenes back and forth in a movie. They could do it like Lost and tie the flashback scenes to the present-day events of the movie.

The sequel for The Wolverine could just showcase Wolverine with some of the X-Men like Rogue, Colossus, Iceman going to Russia facing Omega Red.

Then for Storm, Shadowcat, Bishop, Professor X, they could team up with X-Force or another mutant team.

It doesn't have to be a stand-alone Wolverine movie again, it doesn't have to be completely different and new like a stand-alone X-Force movie. Because for sure those movie will not sell as much tickets as DOFP or at least X-Men 2. They would gross under $200 million dollars in the U.S.
you dont know if a X-Force movie with an Awesome cast with a few A-list actors and great action sequences would work under X2 numbers or under 200m, and less without knowing if the spin-off could include a few cameos from Wolverine and Cyclops.

As many users have said already, DOFP big numbers will lead to bigger numbers for the potential spin-offs after that, so.... ticket prize increase along with DOFP push, the numbers could easily be stronger than Origins and X2.

And at the end of the day, it doesnt matter if the movie does 180m on USA, because the international number could be higher and Fox would easily get the budget back, so.... there is no big risk on it.

If Marvel could do a Captain America movie and now will do Guardians and Antman movies and the studio will be pretty fine, there is no reason why Fox cant do a new spin-off and getting the budget back.

You are not that interested, ok, we understand it, but that doesnt mean it wont work.

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A well made X-Force has just as much chance of turning a profit as DOFP does if the budget is reasonable. That's one way Fox could successfully take some cues from Marvel: set up some interesting characters and fold them into eachother's stories for crossover appeal.

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In my opinion shared universes are overrated.

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A well made X-Force has just as much chance of turning a profit as DOFP does if the budget is reasonable. That's one way Fox could successfully take some cues from Marvel: set up some interesting characters and fold them into eachother's stories for crossover appeal.
definetly.

they could even do the movie with a budget of 100m, so doubling that would be pretty easy, taking into account USA and increasing foreign market.

And we arent even discussing who will be the main cast, Fox could easily sign two or three very popular actors, so... they could sell the movie the same way most studios sell their movies, whatever the genre is.

Did movie studios stop doing movies? No. So... why Fox should stop increasing their X-Men universe?

it would be ridiculous and nothing smart.

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They could increase the X-Men Universe by releasing movies with the same cast every 2 to 3 years. Expanding doesn't equally mean spin-offs and shared universe.

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you dont know if a X-Force movie with an Awesome cast with a few A-list actors and great action sequences would work under X2 numbers or under 200m, and less without knowing if the spin-off could include a few cameos from Wolverine and Cyclops.
And you do know that?

The fact that Fox isn't releasing X-Force after DOFP and we are getting Apocalypse first, shows that Fox is more confident in doing more films with their already established characters/cast members.

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As many users have said already, DOFP big numbers will lead to bigger numbers for the potential spin-offs after that, so.... ticket prize increase along with DOFP push, the numbers could easily be stronger than Origins and X2.

And at the end of the day, it doesnt matter if the movie does 180m on USA, because the international number could be higher and Fox would easily get the budget back, so.... there is no big risk on it.

If Marvel could do a Captain America movie and now will do Guardians and Antman movies and the studio will be pretty fine, there is no reason why Fox cant do a new spin-off and getting the budget back.

You are not that interested, ok, we understand it, but that doesnt mean it wont work.
Right now I don't have a lot of reasons why I think it would work. We have a writer/director who have a bad track record. This won't be the 1st spin-off to be put in development hell (Deadpool is taking so long). You are assuming all things in good faith.

And just because DOFP is a big success it doesn't mean, 75% who saw the movie will watch spin-offs like X-Force. Even in the U.S., The Wolverine barely got any boost from First Class.

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maybe thats because USA is getting tired of Wolverine, and need something new.

just a huge possibility.

and exanding the movie universe only with the same cast is not a big expand at all. Its just adding secondary mutants that obviously wont have a decent role, since the leads will be the previous x-men.

Fox and producers have clearly said they want a bigger universe, appart from team movies, thats why Millar and Kimgberg have been signed, so if thats what they want, they only have to do it.

The more diversity the movie universe have, the bigger the audience will be, because the x-men franchise hasnt appealed to a huge audience yet, so... clearly Fox needs to try new things to appeal to new viewers.

And once they get the numbers of DOFP, they will feel more confident than ever about expanding the universe with new proyects


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Nothing is guaranteed yet. First DoFP needs to be a huge success for Fox start greenlighting spin-offs.
X-Force sounds like a smart choice to start a new series (apart from the main series).
But flooding the movie market with more than one X-Men film per year is going to only saturate this franchise.


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not if each movie is very different from the previous one.

I mean.... First Class or DOFP has one cast, XForce would have a whoooole diffferent cast, and wont even have X-Men on the tittle, so basically, to general audience, it will be two different things.

Its like saying general audience is tired of Avengers universe, because they are getting Ironman and Thor movies on the same year.

General audience likes these movies, so Fox should take advantage of it, instead of letting the other studios to get more viewers and money.

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not if each movie is very different from the previous one.

I mean.... First Class or DOFP has one cast, XForce would have a whoooole diffferent cast, and wont even have X-Men on the tittle, so basically, to general audience, it will be two different things.

Its like saying general audience is tired of Avengers universe, because they are getting Ironman and Thor movies on the same year.

General audience likes these movies, so Fox should take advantage of it, instead of letting the other studios to get more viewers and money.
X-Men, X-Force... Do you really think people will see as two different things? Oooookay.

And the MCU is a completely different kind of beast. advantage movies make billions of dollars and people love them. On the other hand, X-Men hasn't even broke $500 million yet. It saddens me to say, as I am a huge X-Men fan, but that's the truth.

Fox should be cautious with this and wait for DoFP numbers before going ahead with X-Force (or any other spin-off).


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Old 02-08-2014, 11:57 AM   #387
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X-Men, X-Force... Do you really think people will see as two different things? Oooookay.

And the MCU is a completely different kind of beast. Those movies make billions of dollars and people love them. On the other hand, X-Men hasn't even broke $500 million yet. It saddens me to say, as I am a huge X-Men fan, but that's the truth. Fox should be cautious with this.
I said this numouras times.While some of us here are huge X-Men fans the GA Isn't as high on it.X-Men stories are different than MCU.Dark Phoenix saga,Days of future past,and age of Apocalypse could never be done In MCU.

X-Men Is often darker and more intense and deal with subject matter even In Comics with colorful costumes.

X-men Is a team not a series of solo films.In comics the only one Inless you include deadpool who has been able to sustain a long running comic book Is
Wolverine.The character that many here consently want to take potshots at.

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I said this numouras times.While some of us here are huge X-Men fans the GA Isn't as high on it.X-Men stories are different than MCU.Dark Phoenix saga,Days of future past,and age of Apocalypse could never be done In MCU.

X-Men Is often darker and more intense and deal with subject matter even In Comics with colorful costumes.

X-men Is a team not a series of solo films.In comics the only one Inless you include deadpool who has been able to sustain a long running comic book Is
Wolverine.The character that many here consently want to take potshots at.
Exactly. X-Men and Avengers are two superhero teams. And that`s where their similarities end. I like both studios, but Marvel won`t open one of their movies with a jewish boy being separated from his parents in a concentration camp in Auschwitz or with a mutant kid cutting off his own wings.

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They could increase the X-Men Universe by releasing movies with the same cast every 2 to 3 years. Expanding doesn't equally mean spin-offs and shared universe.
Uh no - expanding the universe doesn't mean doing one movie every couple of years with the same cast. That's the complete opposite of expanding the universe. There are more characters, teams and groups out there than just the main X-Men squad. Simply focusing on that alone does the entire X-Men universe a complete disservice.

Yes, X-Men is more team-focused than the Avengers but there are far more teams than just the X-Men. We have X-Force, Excalibur, X-Factor, X-Corp, New Mutants, Hellions, X-Statix, Alpha Flight and others I'm missing.

The fact that the X-Men take a more mature tone with their movies doesn't mean they can't create a universe that focuses on other teams and solo characters. It's 2014 - the X-Men can afford to expand outside of just the main team. Maybe the reason why it hasn't caught on or grown as much as other competitors is the fact that it's been so limited in scope and characters explored.

That's where Marvel Studio's has trumped them. By the time AoU rolls around, they'll have introduced close to 100+ characters. They've given the general audience a wide range of characters to like and care about in films moving forward.

That's something X-Men can easily do and still keep the tone they've set in their previous movies and that's great. I want the X-Men to keep the original tone and not go the route Marvel Studio's had because that works for them. That doesn't mean there are more opportunities out there.

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That's ridiculous - of course they would and should. No one has any problems distinguishing the two groups within the comics.


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X-force Is one thing.Deadpool and Gambit solo films great.The new mutants Ok.But that's all spin offs you need.Trying to turn every X title Into film Is bad Idea.

If Apocalypse has elements of Age of Apocalypse you may have several never before on screen In It.

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That's ridiculous - of course they would and should. No one has any problems distinguishing the two groups within the comics.
Do you know that most people who watch these films don`t read comics, right?

First DoFP needs to do a good amount of money, then there will be an audience for X-Force.

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No one is saying turn them all into movies because not every one of them needs to be a movie. What people are trying to say is the fact that X-Men movies haven't even tried to branch out further than just the main team and Wolverine and that's a shame.

They have endless opportunities - it's time to start playing with the big boys and capitalize on them. They've had 14-years and only started to get their sh** together in the last five and now they're playing catch up.

The X-Universe could be every bit as large and engaging as what Marvel has going with their movieverse but they dropped the ball unfortunately.

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The first 2 X-Men and Spider-man films got the genre kickstarted again.

Bryan Singer has twice said first In 2011 when still only a producer on DOFP and then at 2012 Comic Con the X-Men universe can be just as large as MS universe.

First off DOFP has to be success.Then we have Apocalypse.X-force Is likely going to play off events of DOFP and APocalypse.

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and exanding the movie universe only with the same cast is not a big expand at all. Its just adding secondary mutants that obviously wont have a decent role, since the leads will be the previous x-men.

The more diversity the movie universe have, the bigger the audience will be, because the x-men franchise hasnt appealed to a huge audience yet, so... clearly Fox needs to try new things to appeal to new viewers.

And once they get the numbers of DOFP, they will feel more confident than ever about expanding the universe with new proyects
Hmmm, you do know that most franchises, just releases a sequel that features the same cast, and that works better at the box-office than releasing a spin-off or a prequel? Who cares if they aren't really "expanding" if they are getting big cash in return.

And who says secondary mutants won't get a decent role. Its just up to the writers/directors to share the screentime to everyone else, give all the cast members a decent role and also let the new characters to shine.

And releasing multiple spin-offs like Deadpool, Gambit, X-Force, won't make the X-Franchise appeal to more people. That didn't happen when Fox released prequels/spin-offs film like Origins: Wolverine, First Class and The Wolverine. The general audience would just get tired of seeing a new X-Men spin-off every 2 years. You are also throwing out familiarity with those spin-offs and entering a new territory that isn't well tested to the general audience yet.

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not if each movie is very different from the previous one. I mean.... First Class or DOFP has one cast, XForce would have a whoooole diffferent cast, and wont even have X-Men on the tittle, so basically, to general audience, it will be two different things.

Its like saying general audience is tired of Avengers universe, because they are getting Ironman and Thor movies on the same year.

General audience likes these movies, so Fox should take advantage of it, instead of letting the other studios to get more viewers and money.
Not if Fox doesn't inform they are part of the X-Men universe and the movie is another X-Men spin-off. The film might be visually different compare to the previous X-Men films, but it is still a X-Men film and the audience. And Fox will use the X-Men brand as a way for X-Force to sell more tickets. And chances are, people would just wait for another X-Men movie with the more familiar faces and they'll just skip the movies with the lesser-known characters.

And you simply can't compare the Avengers universe to the X-Men universe. Simply because the Avengers universe didn't start with the Avengers already assembled. It was 4 superheroes that had their own movie/s coming together in a movie.

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And releasing multiple spin-offs like Deadpool, Gambit, X-Force, won't make the X-Franchise appeal to more people.
In time, yes they will appeal to more people/larger audience. (IF they are done right)


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Origins was awful and it followed TLS which was awful. Its no wonder that it didn't appeal. And we will get some indication on how well FC & TW truly appealed to audiences when DOFP hits.

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In time, yes they will appeal to more people/larger audience. (IF they are done right)
glad to see someone understanding the point.

Its like saying the world isnt interested in any more movies if they arent X-Men, Pirates, Harry Potter or Avengers, lol.

Studios need to keep making movies, and doing good movies. If they do a good work with the quality of the movies, the cast AND the marketing, they will be fine.

Fox clearly hasnt been a confident studio all these years and hasnt really believed in the X-Men universe, until now, and thats why they felt they needed help so they signed Mark Millar and now Simon Kimbgerg. Fox know they need support and they need people that believe in the franchise.

The studios that make a new proyect with a decent but not high budget and make a great movie, get a decent support, so on many cases, once they do a sequel, the cast is more popular and the sequel ends getting a bit more money. And thats what Fox needs, to make lower budget movies with a great cast AND great quality. If they market them right, they will get enough support to make a sequel.

But if they dont believe in it, they wont ever get a bigger universe.

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Its not like they just hired people with a very good track record for these proposed spin-offs. Gambit just seems more like a producer's wish. The writer/director of the X-Force movie doesn't have a good track record. And Deadpool.... if a more well-known director is directing that, maybe I would be more interested.

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And you think a X-Force film will be done right with Jeff Wadlow? And just because a film is "good", it doesn't mean more people will give it a chance. How many good movies out there that underperformed at the box-office?

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If people aren't tired of the cast that they have right now, they don't need to start replacing them and plant new seeds as if the audience are asking them do.

Fox neglected the audience to give them a X-Men 4 movie and they released spin-offs that grossed lower than the previous X-Men films.

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What a bizarre argument. You know First Class was essentially a spin-off right? And it sparked interest in a property that had died on its arse in the last two installments.

Sequels are good money investments, but guess what? You can make more if you start other franchises too. Why desperately cling to one title in an expansive brand, when you can take a small gamble on launching something else at the same time and then have TWO sequels to work on?

Marvel didn't just stick to Iron Man after it succeeded, and I'm sure we're all thankful for that.

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If people aren't tired of the cast that they have right now, they don't need to start replacing them and plant new seeds as if the audience are asking them do.

Who said anything about replacing? We are talking about building around the main X-Men series. Not building over it. And the audience is ALWAYS asking for more.

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he definetly doesnt see it guys, we can explaing it with 20 different theories and arguments, but he wont agree ever, lol.

the important thing is that Fox NOW wants a bigger unviserse, producers, Millar and Kimgberg want a bigger universe, and fans want a bigger universe.

so they dont have any other option to get it than DOING a bigger universe, lol.

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