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Old 12-09-2013, 01:00 PM   #401
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What makes you think that I would think the fights in For Tomorrow or Last Son are any good?

And, again, it isn't about scale with me. Never has been. It's all about the presentation.
I'm not saying they were any good. What I am saying is this is the standard of what happens when Superman fights someone as powerful as him. What Man of Steel showed is what is shown in the comics when he fights someone on his level. Rarely do you see him after look at the destruction of everything however I agree with you that the aftermath was done poorly because I do think it could have been broadcast on the news or have shown Clark take a look at everything and show some remorse or at least talk about it. A shot like that can go a long way.

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I'm not saying they were any good. What I am saying is this is the standard of what happens when Superman fights someone as powerful as him. What Man of Steel showed is what is shown in the comics when he fights someone on his level. Rarely do you see him after look at the destruction of everything however I agree with you that the aftermath was done poorly because I do think it could have been broadcast on the news or have shown Clark take a look at everything and show some remorse or at least talk about it. A shot like that can go a long way.
I will repeat: The scale of the action and the destruction isn't the problem for me. It is the presentation of that scale. Regardless of how epic and destructive a Superman fight scene is, there's still a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. The level of destruction wasn't the problem, the problem was that the human element of it all was missing throughout the fight.

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I'm not saying they were any good. What I am saying is this is the standard of what happens when Superman fights someone as powerful as him. What Man of Steel showed is what is shown in the comics when he fights someone on his level. Rarely do you see him after look at the destruction of everything however I agree with you that the aftermath was done poorly because I do think it could have been broadcast on the news or have shown Clark take a look at everything and show some remorse or at least talk about it. A shot like that can go a long way.
Agreed! there's no doubt there. If you want to criticizes the way the aftermath was handled that's valid. If you look at The Avengers they handled the aftermath perfectly. I just don't like when people get out raged over the destruction and pretend it was over the top when its normal.

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Can't this MOS destruction talk be contained in the All Things Superman thread?

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Can't this MOS destruction talk be contained in the All Things Superman thread?
The discussion destruction will spill over and wreck all other thread and leave thousand of user casualties in it wake.

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How many people will superman kill in gotham city?

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just one, the Bat.
You want Superman to kill Batman?

Then I guess Green Arrow will take his place in Justice League. The team needs a street level, martial arts guy, a smart hero with gadgets who could be dangerous to the others even if he lacks super powers.


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Yeah, but there's a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. I can't speak for the other people, but my problem with the end fight isn't that there's so much destruction. My problem is with the presentation. My problem is that it's so over the top and yet pretty callous about presenting the reality of all of that destruction, and their attempts to humanize it aren't, to me, particularly effective. It revels in the spectacle a little to much and it doesn't pay attention to the human element quite enough. Made worse by the fact that, as soon as Zod dies, it immediately cuts away from Metropolis and doesn't mention the destruction of that day again. It feels very juvenile to me, like a military-obsessed 13 year old boy's idea of what a dramatic climax is. And I, personally, don't like the way that military obsessed 13 year old boys look at the world.
A perfect distillation of Snyder's career in film making thus far.

But yeah, agreed 100% on all counts. I particularly like the military-obsessed 13 year old boy anaology.

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A perfect distillation of Snyder's career in film making thus far.

But yeah, agreed 100% on all counts. I particularly like the military-obsessed 13 year old boy anaology.
I remember one time I was at a museum, and I was attending a lecture about armor in Medieval Europe. And during the Q&A, a 12 or 13 year old boy wearing a black t-shirt and cammo pants raised his hand and began his question with "yeah, so the knights were basically the advanced special forces of their day..."

I think of that every time I see a Zack Snyder movie.

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I remember one time I was at a museum, and I was attending a lecture about armor in Medieval Europe. And during the Q&A, a 12 or 13 year old boy wearing a black t-shirt and cammo pants raised his hand and began his question with "yeah, so the knights were basically the advanced special forces of their day..."

I think of that every time I see a Zack Snyder movie.


It probably was him.

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I remember one time I was at a museum, and I was attending a lecture about armor in Medieval Europe. And during the Q&A, a 12 or 13 year old boy wearing a black t-shirt and cammo pants raised his hand and began his question with "yeah, so the knights were basically the advanced special forces of their day..."

I think of that every time I see a Zack Snyder movie.
Only sometimes, these boys don't grow up to join the military or become police officers, they somehow become film directors (Bay, Snyder, et al.) or comic book writers/artists (Frank Miller). One still gets the impression that these guys all imagine themselves as hard men.

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Only sometimes, these boys don't grow up to join the military or become police officers, they somehow become film directors (Bay, Snyder, et al.) or comic book writers/artists (Frank Miller). One still gets the impression that these guys all imagine themselves as hard men.
Oh come now. Frank Miller's faults are many, but he's still much more interesting than Zack Snyder.

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Oh come now. Frank Miller's faults are many, but he's still much more interesting than Zack Snyder.
lol. "Interesting", sure. Unless Miller is having a great laugh at everyone, "Holy Terror" (as well as his subsequent comments about the occupy movement) is a testament to his "imagined hard man" status.

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Wow, this is what happens when fans take movies too serious. You guys may need to take a minute to collect yourselves. Believe it or not, you've hit that point in which you're throwing personal insults towards people who make movies that you disagree with.

I know, I know. What did I expect here?

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Wow, this is what happens when fans take movies too serious. You guys may need to take a minute to collect yourselves. Believe it or not, you've hit that point in which you're throwing personal insults towards people who make movies that you disagree with.

I know, I know. What did I expect here?
it's not crossed that line but it's heading there.

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Wow, this is what happens when fans take movies too serious. You guys may need to take a minute to collect yourselves. Believe it or not, you've hit that point in which you're throwing personal insults towards people who make movies that you disagree with.

I know, I know. What did I expect here?

But, but.... they really hate how all the destruction was presented, and the pacing of the movie, and it had too much action, and how Pa Kent's death was handled, and the World Engine fight, and the Lois and Superman kiss, and and and...... lol

The fact that they really dislike the movie, makes it all ok.. LMAO

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Where is that from?
Yeah, I'm also wondering that.

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Oh come now. Frank Miller's faults are many, but he's still much more interesting than Zack Snyder.
I would say Miller ages in reverse

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Where is that from?
Its Superman/boy prime killing an alternate universe batman after he killed the other alternate universe lex luthor, superman, lois lane, and her unborn child.

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