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Old 12-06-2013, 07:02 AM   #26
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I'm actually wondering now as to whether the first official still of this film will just feature Batman and Superman together or whether it'll feature the DC trinity.
I think they'll release them one at a time. That way they each get their time in the sun, and WB get more publicity at (presumably) regular intervals. I'd actually like if the first photo of each was sort of close and shadowy/obscured, like the TDKR Bane reveal. Then eventually follow them up with a well-lit, clear shot of all three kicking ass together.

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I say this, not just referencing Marvel films, but any film in general; but when you have a film that has comedic elements placed at certain moments that can disrupt on how serious the situation around them is suppose to be, then I think it hurts the film in a way, especially if the goal is trying to present the antagonistic and villainous elements in a threatening and truly menacing way.
I love comedy in superhero movies, and wished there was more in DC movies, but Marvel movies tend to do it too much. Thor: The Dark World suffered from this. I literally facepalmed when Thor got on the subway, in the middle of the final fight for the Nine Realms' Fate.

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I think they'll release them one at a time. That way they each get their time in the sun, and WB get more publicity at (presumably) regular intervals. I'd actually like if the first photo of each was sort of close and shadowy/obscured, like the TDKR Bane reveal. Then eventually follow them up with a well-lit, clear shot of all three kicking ass together.

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I love comedy in superhero movies, and wished there was more in DC movies, but Marvel movies tend to do it too much. Thor: The Dark World suffered from this. I literally facepalmed when Thor got on the subway, in the middle of the final fight for the Nine Realms' Fate.
I actually thought Thor's comedy was fine and felt natural. The Ironman movies are the ones that irritate me. It's like you cannot get RDJ to be serious for one second.

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I actually thought Thor's comedy was fine and felt natural. The Ironman movies are the ones that irritate me. It's like you cannot get RDJ to be serious for one second.
He was pretty serious in the first movie, and even in the Avengers. That complaint doesn't really work when you consider the fact that Tony Stark ISN'T supposed to be this dark, brooding, serious character. He's witty, charming, glib, sarcastic, etc, that's the character. It's both his nature and it's also a coping mechanism. I will agree that the comedy in IM 3 got somewhat annoying, but that might simply be how it was used.

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My issue with the "comedy" debate is that some critics and fans can't fathom the fact that some characters simply aren't witty and funny like Tony Stark, or to a lesser extent, Thor. Batman is supposed be brooding and dark and fairly humorless. When he's playing (facade) Bruce Wayne, he puts on the charm, but the rest of the time, he's a pretty grim guy. And Superman, while certainly more optimistic and charismatic than Batman, is still very stoic and serious. He makes a joke every once in a while, but for the most part, he's a boy scout.

What works with one hero doesn't work with another. I think they have this idea that these characters--simply because they are superheroes--should all act the same. And that's stupid.

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My issue with the "comedy" debate is that some critics and fans can't fathom the fact that some characters simply aren't witty and funny like Tony Stark, or to a lesser extent, Thor. Batman is supposed be brooding and dark and fairly humorless. When he's playing (facade) Bruce Wayne, he puts on the charm, but the rest of the time, he's a pretty grim guy. And Superman, while certainly more optimistic and charismatic than Batman, is still very stoic and serious. He makes a joke every once in a while, but for the most part, he's a boy scout.

What works with one hero doesn't work with another. I think they have this idea that these characters--simply because they are superheroes--should all act the same. And that's stupid.
agreed…I guess one of my issues is that Tony Stark in the comics was never like Tony Stark in the movies….so to see him be comedic is a bit jarring.

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He was pretty serious in the first movie, and even in the Avengers. That complaint doesn't really work when you consider the fact that Tony Stark ISN'T supposed to be this dark, brooding, serious character. He's witty, charming, glib, sarcastic, etc, that's the character. It's both his nature and it's also a coping mechanism. I will agree that the comedy in IM 3 got somewhat annoying, but that might simply be how it was used.
The problem with im3 was that none of the characters took any thing seriously. Like Rodey telling Tony that the government named the suit iron patriot and all the terrorist around him started laughing. That all took place during a raid.

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that's patently obvious given nolan's trilogy, mos and green lantern, with the latter suffering because of it. i don't understand why marvel being less adult is a bad thing anyway. all that means is that they want to make films that more people enjoy. yes children are people too.
The DC/WB films are indeed more adult than the Marvel films. I don't think you'll ever see a break from the plot in a DC/WB film for a mad scientist to run around naked like we saw in Thor 2. The Marvel films are aimed at 10 year-olds, and that's ok, it is good and noble to entertain 10 year olds.

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I won't say more adult…it's just they treat their movies more seriously…but then again we haven't seen DC's 'fun' characters…the characters that joke and quip during a fight. Superman and Batman are all about business when it's time to work.
I am really hoping the tone of the Cap 2 trailer is maintained in that movie.

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Yeah GL put a bad taste in people's mouths and I don't think WB would want to link a series with so much hype behind it to that movie.

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I wouldn't particularly care if Reynolds came back.

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I won't say more adult…it's just they treat their movies more seriously…but then again we haven't seen DC's 'fun' characters…the characters that joke and quip during a fight. Superman and Batman are all about business when it's time to work.
I am really hoping the tone of the Cap 2 trailer is maintained in that movie.
Its funny because DC even tried to make the Flash, who is historically a very light and funny character, a darker character during his 90's tv series. That show was very much in the vein of the Tim Burton Batman films and quite honestly....I thought it worked very well. The darker, noir tone worked for the show. Its all about execution at the end of the day.

Its kind of ironic how things have changed because I feel like historically Marvel has always been the darker, edgier company and DC was all about light fun and Super Friends. Funny how the tables have turned.


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agreed…I guess one of my issues is that Tony Stark in the comics was never like Tony Stark in the movies….so to see him be comedic is a bit jarring.
Yeah, I haven't read many Iron Man comics but the ones I have read, he was never all jokey like he is in the movies. I still think it works for that character though. But if you made Superman or Batman like that, I think it would be awful.

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Yeah, I haven't read many Iron Man comics but the ones I have read, he was never all jokey like he is in the movies. I still think it works for that character though. But if you made Superman or Batman like that, I think it would be awful.
I think there is leeway with characters that aren't part of the GA knowledge…much like Blade who was so far from his comic version it's not funny. We've seen Superman and Batman countless times that when you deviate from what has come before…it feels like they got the character wrong.

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Thor's fish out of water bit is a big part of the property and if marvel's smart they will keep playing it up. But dear god they undermined their tension with that stunt.
Would have been a universally celebrated gag had it happened during an earlier part of the film..

If mos had something of that sort during the final...maybe people would get off it's back for being too...maybe not.

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