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Old 02-27-2014, 08:58 AM   #301
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I know people are excited for Fong collaborating with ZED again, but I actually want visual continuity with MOS. I worry that this will end up too much in the visual wheel house of WATCMEN or 300. It was a real surprise and I think to the film's benefit that Snyder toned things down and gave a realistic looking world for the most part.
I hope they scrap the MoS cinematography completely.

No more pointless zooms, no more washed out grey colour grading, no more documentary film crew in the Kryptonian high council chamber.

You can look realistic without having to resort to that stuff.

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Silver is right that changes to V for Vendetta helped to ensure that the film adaptation, directed by James McTeigue, was satisfying to fans and casual viewers alike but Snyder’s Watchmen wasn’t a complete copy and paste job. The final act of Watchmen was often the primary hurdle for any writer attempting to develop a faithful screenplay of the graphic novel – which features Adrian Veidt (aka Ozymandias) faking an extraterrestrial attack (for the purpose of uniting warring Earth nations against a common threat) by teleporting a giant genetically engineered squid creature into the heart of New York City.

Writers David Hayter and Alex Tse both made significant alterations to that challenging final act – replacing the infamous squid with weaponized energy reactors that make it appear as though Dr. Manhattan turned on humanity and destroyed major cities around the globe (establishing him as the target of humanity’s now united efforts). While many fans derided the change as a cop-out, others felt as though Tse’s version was actually tidier but just as impactful as Moore’s original concept.

Yet, Silver maintains that Gilliam had an even better solution – one that would have been a significant departure from the source material:

What Terry had done, and it was a Sam Hamm script–who had written a script that everybody loved for the first “Batman”–and then he brought in a guy who’d worked for him to do work on it [Charles McKeown, co-writer of "Brazil"]. What he did was he told the story as-is, but instead of the whole notion of the intergalactic thing which was too hard and too silly, what he did was he maintained that the existence of Doctor Manhattan had changed the whole balance of the world economy, the world political structure. He felt that THAT character really altered the way reality had been. He had the Ozymandias character convince, essentially, the Doctor Manhattan character to go back and stop himself from being created, so there never would be a Doctor Manhattan character. He was the only character with real supernatural powers, he went back and prevented himself from being turned into Doctor Manhattan, and in the vortex that was created after that occurred these characters from “Watchmen” only became characters in a comic book.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that Dr. Manhattan wasn’t in the movie at all. Silver seems to imply that where Ozymandias would teleport a squid (or energy reactor) into New York City – killing millions of innocent people – he would, instead, persuade Dr. Manhattan to go back in time to prevent his former self, Jon Osterman, from ever being trapped inside the nuclear test chamber. Considering that Dr. Manhattan is the only actual superhuman in the film, responsible for years of influencing global politics, his absence would then drastically alter the film’s 1980s present.

It’s an interesting idea, and one that could have easily worked; though, fans might have rolled their eyes at the part about the Watchmen heroes becoming displaced “characters in a comic book.”

Silver elaborated further on the fates of Rorschach, Nite Owl, and Silk Spectre – and how the rest of the world would perceive them (following Dr. Manhattan’s reality-bending change):

“So the three characters, I think it was Rorschach and Nite Owl and Silk Spectre, they’re all of the sudden in Times Square and there’s a kid reading a comic book. They become like the people in Times Square dressing up like characters as opposed to really BEING those characters. There’s a kid reading the comic book and he’s like, “Hey, you’re just like in my comic book.” It was very smart, it was very articulate, and it really gave a very satisfying resolution to the story, but it just didn’t happen. Lost to time [...] But I did like the [2009] movie, very much. Zack did great stuff in it!”

The Dr. Manhattan aspect might provide a satisfying resolution but it’s hard to imagine how Gilliam would have actually made that plan for Rorschach and Nite Owl and Silk Spectre work on the big screen. Would everyday moviegoers and comic fans have considered such an on-the-nose connection to superhero lore satisfying – especially considering the world is left entirely unaware of its alternate history (and the heroes who fought for it)?

Let us know which version of Watchmen you prefer. As for the future (read: past) of the series, we’ll keep you updated on whether or not the Before Watchmen prequel comic ever makes it to the big or small screen.


I'm happy they didn't use the Joe Silver version.
lol Slave to the source material? That's why people pay to see it. To see the source material on film.

Sounds like Silver wanted to make a Silver film.

Zack wanted to make a Watchmen film.

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Zack Snyder fired back

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4886277.html

"It's funny, because the biggest knock against the movie is that we finally changed the ending, right? If you read the Gilliam ending, it's completely insane. The fans would have stormed the castle on that one. So, honestly, I made "Watchmen" for myself. It's probably my favorite movie that I've made. And I love the graphic novel and I really love everything about the movie. I love the style. I just love the movie and it was a labor of love. And I made it because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy. So, finally I made it to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world."

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I'm glad Snyder fired back at Silver for that. Silver sounds like a troll, shooting his mouth off this long after the fact and Gilliam's ending sounds f***ing stupid. I'll defend Snyder's Watchmen to the death; I'm a huge fan of the graphic novel and I loved what he did with it. It might not have been a perfect movie, but as we see now, they could have taken it in a MUCH worse direction.

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"Zack Snyder: Yeah! If you love the graphic novel, there's just no way. It would be like if you were doing "Romeo and Juliet" and instead of them waking up in the grave area, they would have time-traveled back in time and none of it would have happened."

I think Gilliam's version seemed like it wanted to have its cake and eat it. Make it a deconstruction of the superhero genre-then embrace it by having Dr Manhatten save the day at the last minute.

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No one could screw up Watchmen Gilliam tried.

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Good! Listening to Snyder in interviews and reading most of his stuff, I think he is widely misinterpreted as a film director and has quickly shot up my list as my favorite director. Critics and fans alike polarize him but it's those voices that make me realize how special of a visionist Zack is and I've become fond of that.

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Snyder is being unfair to Gilliam. The original script was written by Sam Hamm, and Gilliam was unhappy with it. He tried to rewrite it, but then realized that in order to do the story any justice it would have to be a mini-series not a movie. So he gave up on the project.

http://movieline.com/2009/11/04/terry-gilliam-watchmen/

"Gilliam twice attempted to mount Watchmen for the screen (even going so far as to pitch it as a television miniseries) but could never make it work, so I was curious what he thought of Zack Snyder's theatrical adaptation of the graphic novel, which came out earlier this year.
"I felt a lot of it was so good," Gilliam began. "It got the look of it brilliantly. But it suffered from some of the things I was having problems with when I was trying to write a script. It's too short. It's also too long! It's a very weird thing and they had to make so many compromises and changes. I was always saying it should be a five-part miniseries. I still believe that."

Edit: Reading Silver's comments again, it's possible he was referring to the rewrite. I admit now that I have no idea which is the case.


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I don't fault Synder for his ideas. It's his lack of artistic editing that falls short.

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Snyder is being unfair to Gilliam. The original script was written by Sam Hamm, and Gilliam was unhappy with it. He tried to rewrite it, but then realized that in order to do the story any justice it would have to be a mini-series not a movie. So he gave up on the project.

http://movieline.com/2009/11/04/terry-gilliam-watchmen/

"Gilliam twice attempted to mount Watchmen for the screen (even going so far as to pitch it as a television miniseries) but could never make it work, so I was curious what he thought of Zack Snyder's theatrical adaptation of the graphic novel, which came out earlier this year.
"I felt a lot of it was so good," Gilliam began. "It got the look of it brilliantly. But it suffered from some of the things I was having problems with when I was trying to write a script. It's too short. It's also too long! It's a very weird thing and they had to make so many compromises and changes. I was always saying it should be a five-part miniseries. I still believe that."

Edit: Reading Silver's comments again, it's possible he was referring to the rewrite. I admit now that I have no idea which is the case.
Yeah, I felt like he took his anger towards Silver and dumped some of it on Gilliam. He should have focused ONLY on Silver rather than other filmmakers who wanted a crack at it.

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Got a few days off from work and I feel like having my own personal Zack Synder film fest.

I'm thinking Man of Steel again, the Director's Cut of Watchmen (which I started a couple weeks ago not realizing it was three hours long) and Sucker Punch, even though I hear it's terrible. The latter seems like pretty much the definition of eye candy though.

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Sucker Punch is just a dumb film trying to be artistic and deep, yet failing miserably.

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Got a few days off from work and I feel like having my own personal Zack Synder film fest.

I'm thinking Man of Steel again, the Director's Cut of Watchmen (which I started a couple weeks ago not realizing it was three hours long) and Sucker Punch, even though I hear it's terrible. The latter seems like pretty much the definition of eye candy though.
I'm doing this too. Man of Steel (obviously) will always top the charts on my list of re-watches on my lazy days.

Watchmen, 300 & Dawn of the Dead I'll get for a Snyder-weekend. Not sure about Sucker Punch as of yet. Never seen it but it's always good to understand a director like Snyder to see something completely on the opposite end of his spectrum than Man of Steel and Sucker Punch is just that.

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Overall, I like Snyder work. I liked Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchman and Man of Steel. Sucker Punch is below the line.

At this moment I'm kind of "shaken" because my disappointment with Artemisia and what that might means for WW, but I still have some confidence in him.

At least on the action, if I could pick any direction, he would be very high on the list.

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Overall, I like Snyder work. I liked Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchman and Man of Steel. Sucker Punch is below the line.

At this moment I'm kind of "shaken" because my disappointment with Artemisia and what that might means for WW, but I still have some confidence in him.

At least on the action, if I could pick any direction, he would be very high on the list.
What's watchman?

Sorry I couldn't resist.

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Sucker Punch is just a dumb film trying to be artistic and deep, yet failing miserably.
Actually it's a nod to his favorite graphic magazine called "Heavy Metal". A movie that he was trying to get made. So he made up his own.

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I wasn't thrilled with Sucker Punch but I didn't hate it. Tbh it kind of confused me.

What's that Owl movie he did like?

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The Guardians of...something...

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^ It's ok for a kid's movie. Neat animation. There's some owls doing slow-mo if I recall correctly, lol.

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Guardians of the Ga'hoolaxy?

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Ahh cool, might check it out sometime

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Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole

Incidentally the only Snyder movie that I haven't seen, maybe I'll get around to it soon. Just looked up the voice cast, it has Hugo Weaving, Geoffrey Rush, and David Wenham....


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Haven't seen it, but I feel like that's his 'fly below the radar film.' Like he decided to make it as a way of making a film without the backlash of his more signature works.

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