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Old 01-05-2014, 05:07 PM   #76
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All I'm asking is why does he have to be in America at all? How many James Bond movies have taken place in America? Panther is not an American hero, why even bring him to the US - at least in his first movie? If some future adventure justifies his coming to America, or if he joins the Avengers, etc., then fine; but it seems like he's got plenty of story to tell without forcing in an unnecessary trip to the US...

As far as his costume goes - some guy named Kirby did a nice one for him a while ago that would work just fine in a movie...

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Let's talk costumes, has anyone come across a design/redesign that they feel might make for a good starting point for a live action BP costume? I loved the Ultimates 2 Cap America costume which as most of you know largely inspired the CA:TFA costume(Which is now my favorite) i don't have any such attachments to any BP costumes I've seen
I really like the simple Kirby design. The idea of Black Panther as a solid black shadow is my favorite. Perhaps adding the golden panther trinket for the neck near the end as he liberates it from M'Baka or something, and maybe more gold in the sequel. I think that'd be a really cool new costume, with the Kirby cape as his regalia. It's simplicity would set him apart from others. I'd love it.



I'd like to see T'Chaka in a more ornate tribal set up, something not from the comics per se, but more inspired by traditional African garb, but with the panther ears still prominent.

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All I'm asking is why does he have to be in America at all? How many James Bond movies have taken place in America? Panther is not an American hero, why even bring him to the US - at least in his first movie? If some future adventure justifies his coming to America, or if he joins the Avengers, etc., then fine; but it seems like he's got plenty of story to tell without forcing in an unnecessary trip to the US...

As far as his costume goes - some guy named Kirby did a nice one for him a while ago that would work just fine in a movie...
In Kirby's run, didn't he have a girlfriend, Monica Lynne, that he met while in America? He has to go on his walkabout, America's as good a place as any.

And while it's possible Marvel will handle BP like James Bond, it's most likely they'll handle him like Thor, who also is not an American hero, but they made the part of his plot that takes him outside of his homeland take him to America, to connect with the Western audience.

Edit: And part of Casino Royale does take place in America! Why is that a problem, that characters who are supposed to connect with American audiences visit or worse, spend lots of time, in America? It doesn't conflict with BPs story and all the other blockbuster characters do it. There's marketing reason and storytelling reason to bring him to the States... what more do we need?

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Yeah, I see Marvel handling him like they did with Thor.

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In Kirby's run, didn't he have a girlfriend, Monica Lynne, that he met while in America? He has to go on his walkabout, America's as good a place as any.

And while it's possible Marvel will handle BP like James Bond, it's most likely they'll handle him like Thor, who also is not an American hero, but they made the part of his plot that takes him outside of his homeland take him to America, to connect with the Western audience.

Edit: And part of Casino Royale does take place in America! Why is that a problem, that characters who are supposed to connect with American audiences visit or worse, spend lots of time, in America? It doesn't conflict with BPs story and all the other blockbuster characters do it. There's marketing reason and storytelling reason to bring him to the States... what more do we need?
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I picture someone like Anika Noni Rose or Jennifer Hudson as Monica Lynne. Maybe Audra McDonald?

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All I'm asking is why does he have to be in America at all? How many James Bond movies have taken place in America? Panther is not an American hero, why even bring him to the US - at least in his first movie? If some future adventure justifies his coming to America, or if he joins the Avengers, etc., then fine; but it seems like he's got plenty of story to tell without forcing in an unnecessary trip to the US...

As far as his costume goes - some guy named Kirby did a nice one for him a while ago that would work just fine in a movie...
If I had my way I'd have 95% of the movie taking place in Wakanda. Unfortunately that's not how Hollywood works. They have serious problems with having predominantly black casts in movies, so they'll use whatever excuse to get him in a spot where there are enough white people to throw in the trailer because they think that white people won't go see a movie that features mostly black people. I wish they would give people a chance before making those assumptions, but Hollywood is so stuck up its own ass that it lives by self fulfilling prophecies.

As for the costume I think that the Quesada designed one that T'Challa wore in the Priest run is the best. Kirby's design isn't bad, but it needs a little bit more than just a sleek black suit. The JR Jr. design that was in the Hudlin run was a really nice throwback to the Kirby original. I would like a combo of the two with something a little unique thrown in the way Earth's Mightiest Heroes did.

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My top five for Monica Lynne:

1. Jennifer Hudson
2. Anika Noni Rose
3. Nicole Beharie
4. Tika Sumpter
5. Audra McDonald (if they want to go that route. Her and Rose are the same age).

All five are actresses and can sing very well, although McDonald sings operatic, so I don't know how that would work. Now why are Kerry Washington, Rosario Dawson, Paula Patton and Naomie Harris not on my list? Well, first, I don't think any of the four would sign on for BP as Monica Lynne just for one movie. Second I'm not sure Patton or Harris can sing. I'm certain that Marvel would love to have any one of the four (or even all four) join the MCU in different roles.

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Not that this means anything (or does it?) but there are rumors that Age of Ultron will shoot part of the time in South Africa.

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If I had my way I'd have 95% of the movie taking place in Wakanda. Unfortunately that's not how Hollywood works. They have serious problems with having predominantly black casts in movies, so they'll use whatever excuse to get him in a spot where there are enough white people to throw in the trailer because they think that white people won't go see a movie that features mostly black people. I wish they would give people a chance before making those assumptions, but Hollywood is so stuck up its own ass that it lives by self fulfilling prophecies.
It's why the film is a big risk for Marvel and the one concern I have for the movie.

Also, I think an overlooked issue is that the Superhero has the same name as the Black Radical group and somebody (Fox News/Tea Party) will spin it that way.

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My top five for Monica Lynne:

1. Jennifer Hudson
2. Anika Noni Rose
3. Nicole Beharie
4. Tika Sumpter
5. Audra McDonald (if they want to go that route. Her and Rose are the same age).

All five are actresses and can sing very well, although McDonald sings operatic, so I don't know how that would work. Now why are Kerry Washington, Rosario Dawson, Paula Patton and Naomie Harris not on my list? Well, first, I don't think any of the four would sign on for BP as Monica Lynne just for one movie. Second I'm not sure Patton or Harris can sing. I'm certain that Marvel would love to have any one of the four (or even all four) join the MCU in different roles.
I don't see them going with an actor in her 40's for Lynne. And why assume it would be just one movie?

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I don't care what role she plays, but I'd love to see Anika Noni Rose in this movie somewhere. She is such an amazing actress.

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Few people know about the Black Panthers. Fox News won't go after a BP film unless it makes itself somehow political. The only thing Marvel Studios is afraid of is millions of white folks not coming out and forking the hard earned cash on opening day with their kids screaming "I want to be Black Panther!" all the way home.

I do agree that most of the movie should take place in Wakanda. There could instead have it more of a world-crossing James Bond thing, that simply begins and ends in Wakanda, but 95% Wakanda with a little Murica' on the front end makes most sense to me.

I have a question:
Who should he fight? And not just the bad guys... what other than the main villains should he fight? Some African militia? Generic mercenaries?

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Black Panther vs. Klaw.

And you want white characters? Have some already established in the MCU in the film, whether it be a major supporting role (Hawkeye as mentioned) or Cameos (Bruce Banner at the Airport waiting to come home or Pepper Potts representing Stark Industries in Wakanda with Happy Hogan tagging along).

Of course, once the movie is announced, every Black actor in Hollywood not signed with Marvel, Fox or Sony and not over 50 will be linked to T'Challa

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I think that T'Challa should be played by a foreigner. My top two choices happen to be British.

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I don't see them going with an actor in her 40's for Lynne. And why assume it would be just one movie?
If it's not one movie, I think Kerry Washington and Rosario Dawson would be the top two choices. Both can sing as well, which is what the role requires. Not sure if Paula Patton or Naomie Harris can sing.

Somehow, Audra McDonald has entered my list to play Ramonda. It's her, Angela Bassett and Viola Davis.

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In Kirby's run, didn't he have a girlfriend, Monica Lynne, that he met while in America? He has to go on his walkabout, America's as good a place as any.

And while it's possible Marvel will handle BP like James Bond, it's most likely they'll handle him like Thor, who also is not an American hero, but they made the part of his plot that takes him outside of his homeland take him to America, to connect with the Western audience.

Edit: And part of Casino Royale does take place in America! Why is that a problem, that characters who are supposed to connect with American audiences visit or worse, spend lots of time, in America? It doesn't conflict with BPs story and all the other blockbuster characters do it. There's marketing reason and storytelling reason to bring him to the States... what more do we need?
No - Monica Lynne is not a Kirby creation. Kirby's original Panther stories were never set in America - the FF and Cap stories were in Wakanda and the FF annual 5 story was on an island off the coast of Africa. She does not appear in Kirby's excellent '70's series either.

Roy Thomas introduced her in the Avengers some time after the Panther had joined the team [around #74 I think] and I am not sure how much she was used after that.


I have no real problem with the Panther visiting America, but I see no reason that he needs to do so. I think American audiences are sophisticated enough to "connect" with a character who does not visit the US when he has no need to.
If we follow the comics, he was educated at Oxford - that's "western" enough - and it seems like there's enough story going on with Klaw killing his dad, him becoming the Panther, etc. to not to bother with a trip to America, too.
Of course, some period sequences with Howard Stark should be in there, specifically early or pre-WWII [but that also could all be in Africa] and maybe with Stark and Klaw but that could also be in Europe or the US so I guess those scenes make sense to be in the US - so there's your justifiable American sequence.

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I think that T'Challa should be played by a foreigner. My top two choices happen to be British.
He should at least look African - no "Halle Berrys" here please...

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He should at least look African - no "Halle Berrys" here please...
Both Oyelowo and Ejiofor are of Nigerian parentage.

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No - Monica Lynne is not a Kirby creation. Kirby's original Panther stories were never set in America - the FF and Cap stories were in Wakanda and the FF annual 5 story was on an island off the coast of Africa. She does not appear in Kirby's excellent '70's series either.

Roy Thomas introduced her in the Avengers some time after the Panther had joined the team [around #74 I think] and I am not sure how much she was used after that.


I have no real problem with the Panther visiting America, but I see no reason that he needs to do so. I think American audiences are sophisticated enough to "connect" with a character who does not visit the US when he has no need to.
If we follow the comics, he was educated at Oxford - that's "western" enough - and it seems like there's enough story going on with Klaw killing his dad, him becoming the Panther, etc. to not to bother with a trip to America, too.
Of course, some period sequences with Howard Stark should be in there, specifically early or pre-WWII [but that also could all be in Africa] and maybe with Stark and Klaw but that could also be in Europe or the US so I guess those scenes make sense to be in the US - so there's your justifiable American sequence.
I didn't realize Monica came from Avengers before T'Challa had any solo runs. I know she came before Kirby's run though, because I was first introduced to her in Macgregor's run. It's surprising that Kirby wouldn't include one of T'Challa's main supporting cast members, but it looks like he doesn't include her until his last issue, according to ComicVine. Interesting.

Regardless, I don't know of any connection between sophistication and emotions. They're definitely sophisticated enough to understand that he doesn't come the States, but not enough to care about him because he doesn't. It just underlines "otherness" which is what you want to minimize with a Black lead.

I also think it makes sense to have Howard Stark in Wakanda at some point, but I don't think that helps T'Challa's story on a personal level. Howard Stark has nothing to do with T'Challa, and thus, isn't really a part of a story about T'challa. I would save that for a one shot, or an episode of Agent Carter.

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Regardless, I don't know of any connection between sophistication and emotions. They're definitely sophisticated enough to understand that he doesn't come the States, but not enough to care about him because he doesn't. It just underlines "otherness" which is what you want to minimize with a Black lead.
Sad but true and if A BP movie isn't a big enough success we could easily see Marvel refocusing towards safer properties which could easily mean no sequels and no Ms/Captain Marvel movie, and no John Stewert Green Lantern Movie over at DC.

BP being a success could cause a huge shakeup
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I also think it makes sense to have Howard Stark in Wakanda at some point, but I don't think that helps T'Challa's story on a personal level. Howard Stark has nothing to do with T'Challa, and thus, isn't really a part of a story about T'challa. I would save that for a one shot, or an episode of Agent Carter.
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I also think it makes sense to have Howard Stark in Wakanda at some point, but I don't think that helps T'Challa's story on a personal level. Howard Stark has nothing to do with T'Challa, and thus, isn't really a part of a story about T'challa. I would save that for a one shot, or an episode of Agent Carter.
I guess it all depends upon which Black Panther they are making the movie about - for all we know they could end this one with T'Challa taking over after his pop!

If Marvel is adhering to the basics of the character's history, then T'Chaka must be killed by Klaw when T'Challa is a boy/teen but there must also be a Panther in the late '30's when Stark gets his Vibranium to make Cap's shield [as seen in the first Cap movie] so is this Panther T'Chaka's dad? Seems like Klaw learning about Vibranium from Stark is the logical way for him to start his search for the wonder metal.

Perhaps they will take a CA:TFA approach and hit some of these highlights but leave room for them to be expanded upon later in a sequel [I would be happy to see an entire WWII era Panther film with him and Cap teaming up against Zemo, etc.]. So many possibilities.


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