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Let's be honest! This sounds like something Goyer would do.

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... What? Not even a little...

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I don't understand why (some) people are so willing to change WW's mythology, powerset, etc and, yet, if it happened to Superman and Batman they'd throw a fit.
Yeah, I think it behooves us -- as fans of the genre -- to have an iconic character like WW portrayed as accurately as possible even if we aren't her biggest supporters. Unfortunately, some fail to see it that way.

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... What? Not even a little...
I will undoubtedly re-quote you in time.

WW will look up and shout "Help Me"

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It's probably not even true. There were all kinds of false rumors about MOS put out by folks who allegedly had "inside info" that never panned out.

I was actually hoping they didn't even address her origins in this film. But who knows.

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I will undoubtedly re-quote you in time.

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What from Goyer's work makes you think making Wonder Woman a Kryptonian would be up Goyer's alley?

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What from Goyer's work makes you think making Wonder Woman a Kryptonian would be up Goyer's alley?
Not from his work, but as a way to connect the DCU it makes sense. Again, I'm not in favor of it happening, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.

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I say all woman protest by rallying naked and cut off their right breast at WB studios! How's that for an overreaction.
I say they go full Lady Godiva and show up naked on horseback... that will show em'.

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People have extreme opinions about this because it is so far removed from the source material and seems pretentious. I don't like the idea that the only way the only female superhero can have power is by being an offshoot of the main male counterpart.
so some completely objective reason...

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I don't understand why (some) people are so willing to change WW's mythology, powerset, etc and, yet, if it happened to Superman and Batman they'd throw a fit.
It's happened to batman..people got over it.
Most people just said it made sense.

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When did they change Batman's mythology and power set?

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When did they change Batman's mythology and power set?
I'd say when Ra's and his ninja academy entered the picture...
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I'd say when Ra's and his ninja academy entered the picture...
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It's happened to batman..people got over it.
Most people just said it made sense.
How is your reasoning any better? So because you think it's a good idea means everyone who feels differently is being unreasonable?

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How is your reasoning any better? So because you think it's a good idea means everyone who feels differently is being unreasonable?
My reasoning? All I've said it that's I keep an open mind till I see things executed. What's more I've seen very similar thigns happen and happen well, elsewhere.

You haven't really explained why this is a bad idea outside of some sort of gender equality...to each their own. However, issues with making batman a super powered kryptonian seems like a more 'reasonable' complaint.
To each their own. too much energy on empty rumors for my liking.

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My reasoning? All I've said it that's I keep an open mind till I see things executed. What's more I've seen very similar thigns happen and happen well, elsewhere.

You haven't really explained why this is a bad idea outside of some sort of gender equality...to each their own. However, issues with making batman a super powered kryptonian seems like a more 'reasonable' complaint.
To each their own. too much energy on empty rumors for my liking.
I prefer that WW keep her Greek Myth origins because it then introduces magic to this world...which could allow for the introduction of other magic characters...Shazam, Zatanna, Dr Fate...

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My reasoning? All I've said it that's I keep an open mind till I see things executed. What's more I've seen very similar thigns happen and happen well, elsewhere.

You haven't really explained why this is a bad idea outside of some sort of gender equality...to each their own. However, issues with making batman a super powered kryptonian seems like a more 'reasonable' complaint.
To each their own. too much energy on empty rumors for my liking.
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But it doesn't imply that about the cosmos, only the breadth of meta's that are Amazons....
When the flash and hawkman and possible GL are proven to be krptonians, you'd make ground on this cosmos idea.
You did what appears to be defending the explanation for Amazons by saying that IMO. I said what I said because it directly relates to what you said. Why does her powers have to be be bound to his if no one else in the universes is? Why can't there be magic in this universe? It seems like a asinine of an excuse to simplify things.

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You did what appears to be defending the explanation for Amazons by saying that IMO. I said what I said because it directly relates to what you said. Why does her powers have to be be bound to his if no one else in the universes is? Why can't there be magic in this universe? It seems like a asinine of an excuse to simplify things.
What I said was that the universe can still have meta's with all sorts of origins and explanation and this move does nothing to negate that. Lantern can very possibly still be what he is in the books, flash can still be a freak sci fi bs accident, hawkman an alien...it just so happens that wondy's people are related to super girl.

In short I refuted that other post by saying this only applies to wonderwoman and her sisters. What I had issue with in your post is why this can't happen to wonderwoman...you (if I'm not mistaken) have issues with the fact that this is the only female hero.
I can understand how that might feel like a short changing for the female front but other than that subjective thing, I'm not sure how it's all that bad.

My actual feelings on it are as follows. Kara supposedly landed about 20k years ago. Greek myth, as far as hercules is concerned takes place about 12kBC...
If amazons were daughters of kara, that would explain why they were better than the other folks walking around back then but it doesn't actually refute the existence of gods and all that other myth stuff. Just adds some variables.
I feel her having superman like powers and knowing and the greek gods(real or not) is more important than her having superman like powers imbued by hera. But I've always liked allegorical mythology over straight myth.

I don't see any of this happening though.

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I prefer that WW keep her Greek Myth origins because it then introduces magic to this world...which could allow for the introduction of other magic characters...Shazam, Zatanna, Dr Fate...
Fair enough.
Shazam I understand(though that ain't happening).

Zatanna and Fate don't need wondy to exist.

The real loss in all of this would be her lasso though.

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Fair enough.
Shazam I understand(though that ain't happening).

Zatanna and Fate don't need wondy to exist.

The real loss in all of this would be her lasso though.
I just don't want this universe to limit itself when it comes to magic like the Marvel Universe has...which is probably why we haven't seen the more supernatural characters...like Dr Strange.

If we have the amazons be an off shoot of kryptonians then it takes something special away from WW.

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I just don't want this universe to limit itself when it comes to magic like the Marvel Universe has...which is probably why we haven't seen the more supernatural characters...like Dr Strange.

If we have the amazons be an off shoot of kryptonians then it takes something special away from WW.
Thank you that is exactly my point.

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if you look at the trinity...an alien, a man and a goddess...they all bring something different to the table.

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I just don't want this universe to limit itself when it comes to magic like the Marvel Universe has...which is probably why we haven't seen the more supernatural characters...like Dr Strange.

If we have the amazons be an off shoot of kryptonians then it takes something special away from WW.
Is that why we haven't Strange yet?

Take something like smallville, where wondy didn't even show up. That didn't stop other magical people showin up and doing their thing.

I'm with you that it takes away from wondy as we know her, but things are also added in terms of opportunity. I recall a similar discussion about Banner tinkering with super soldier serum derivatives. Obviously that's a little different but one can't argue that things aren't at all added, if only in terms of cohesion.

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if you look at the trinity...an alien, a man and a goddess...they all bring something different to the table.
They can still all bring something different to said table. Comes down to what really matters when you say that.

Curious, do ya'll think if this was true that wondy would have a kryptonite aversion?

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Is that why we haven't Strange yet?

Take something like smallville, where wondy didn't even show up. That didn't stop other magical people showin up and doing their thing.

I'm with you that it takes away from wondy as we know her, but things are also added in terms of opportunity. I recall a similar discussion about Banner tinkering with super soldier serum derivatives. Obviously that's a little different but one can't argue that things aren't at all added, if only in terms of cohesion.
Strange keeps being rumored but we keep seeing science characters intro's...from GOTG to Antman...we've yet to see a character in the MCU that can't be explained my science.

Your Smallville analogy is correct...WW being magical is not needed for other magical characters...but if we change her origins to science then when the next magic character rolls around there will be the temptation to explain it as science also.

I agree with the Banner example but it's still a science explanation. The Hulk wasn't a magic character that was made into a science character...in fact his TV show origin was more about Banner using gamma radiation to unlock the potential in humans...that could easily translate to Banner replicating the SSS.

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They can still all bring something different to said table. Comes down to what really matters when you say that.

Curious, do ya'll think if this was true that wondy would have a kryptonite aversion?
there would be a lot that would have to be explained...lack of heat vision and other secondary Superman powers.

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I doubt she'll have heat vision and super breath...

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Strange keeps being rumored but we keep seeing science characters intro's...from GOTG to Antman...we've yet to see a character in the MCU that can't be explained my science.

Your Smallville analogy is correct...WW being magical is not needed for other magical characters...but if we change her origins to science then when the next magic character rolls around there will be the temptation to explain it as science also.

I agree with the Banner example but it's still a science explanation. The Hulk wasn't a magic character that was made into a science character...in fact his TV show origin was more about Banner using gamma radiation to unlock the potential in humans...that could easily translate to Banner replicating the SSS.
I was under the impression that Strange(a Fiege favorite) hasn't shown up cause there's no money in him among other things..
Marvel is just now really looking at C listers(see antman now but not 2 years ago).

I doubt the temptation to change others by way of science will be there if wondy is super successful, but
A) I don't really see the the same light bulb there for messing with zantanna as there is for the daughters of kara backdoor they left open
B) You're really scared of their temptations? Like if they did Shazam they would "back door" him as well, so that the wizard didn't exist etc...?

Sure banner is different but surely you can see the argument that making him a ss makes the uinverse smaller and less special...however the benefits are also clear. It makes wonderful sense. Like Bane, and other things, sometimes things making special sense is pretty special.
All that being said, I don't see how this removes magic. Especially now that I think about that lasso.

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