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I see. So technically, you're fine with this change, but are also fine with magic. Not much seems to faze you. That's probably a good thing. |
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And I wouldn't call it a radical makeover. Wonder Woman wearing a Kryptonian outfit and shooting laser beams out of her eyes would be a radical makeover. Again, I'm more concerned about how they're going to change how things feel in the present rather than the past. |
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Tying their beginnings to kara instead can still yield something very recognizable. Making wonder woman come from krypton by way of scout ship would be another matter imo. Again, they've been changing cbm orgins for 15 years now. Yes, everyone else would be recognizable.
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And I'm not saying that they have to be mutually exclusive but it is so stupid to me to randomly have the Krypton origin but then going "oh wait nevermind she really is magical but not really magical." huh? If your going to go that direction you might as well go the whole nine yards and just say she is a Scifi character. |
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If the amazons pray and worship real gods, why not. I mean Aquaman has fish powers, yet Aqualad(also a fish guy) has full on magical mojo going on.
Make them them a 'culty' society, have the kara ties explain why it's all women, I don't know, there's lots of angles that would do the whole thing justice. Quote:
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Have they? Perhaps minor changes, but I don't remember them tying two previously unrelated character origins together before.
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This "rumour" is not even a "rumour", but merely the ramblings of a fan who is renowned for being a bit thick.
It isn't worth any more aggro.
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It's never happened. I think people are just trying to convince themselves it's the right approach because they like it. I'm not saying that she should be a page for page adaptation of the first comic but come on!
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And as some have said, it's not even a real thing yet, so I'm really just talking hypothetically. |
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I digress, it's bed time. As for what's worth taking about. It'd be just as relevant an idea/prospect to discuss if any hype member put it forth imo. Seems like an interesting idea.
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Assuming that we do see some of the Amazon culture, I am fascinated to see how Weta designs it. I'm sure they could produce something really striking by developing concepts in Greek art and architecture, just as they developed the material cultures of Middle Earth from from genuine historical ones.
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If they have time in a solo film I would like to see them do something that is often glossed over in CBMs: Training. The constant honing of mind, spirit and body it would require to continually operate at the level most superheroes do. WW's people are all about self actualization so I think that could easily fit in. Maybe they have a philosophy of "Make yourself a better person so that you can make a better world" or something similar?
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If he had applied that aesthetic to the fighting (and got better choreographers) we might have had rather strong action. An over-the-shoulder shot of a punch being thrown, close-up of the fists hitting the target, and a medium shot of two brawlers engaging in conflict (with the occasional wide shot). It would be a lot more immersive that way, instead of going shakey cam or locking in the cam so that the cameraman himself seems bored with the action. |
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Long live Uber-Bat-God.
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Your other claim is impossible. If you are stranded on a planet 20000 years less advanced you will not be able to advance your own scientific understanding by simple rule of limited resources. If you are a particle physicist and suddenly get transported back into the middle ages you will not be able to build a particle accelerator there. You might have all the knowledge but you can't use it practically because your don't have the necessairy tools, materials and so on and forth. |
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That... urmph... sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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Obviously it's just speculation, and I think it's needlessly complicated in the end, but for the sake of argument, let's say they made the Amazons descendants of Kryptonians in some fashion...but they were still Amazons, with their requisite Greek-inspired mythologies, etc, and some sort of product of genetics/evolution. Would people be any more likely to accept that?
In the real world, we know that the Greeks basically made up their gods and goddesses, or drew them from other religions. Couldn't Wonder Woman's mythology reflect that in a sense? I think the only overarching interesting idea here is that Kryptonians seeded Earth and some other worlds. The argument is that this makes everything about Superman. But that's not about Superman, per se, that's about Kryptonians. More to the point, it's about common ancestry for all beings. That's a much bigger idea than "Superman's mythology". Also, who says magic can't exist? Maybe the descendants of Kryptonians also discovered/interacted with magical forces.
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At first I was really against the Kryptonian angle for Diana, but if they do go this route, I would hope it's something beyond a haphazard means of integrating Themyscira into this universe. If Goyer actually plans to reinvent the origin, I have a notion he's going to implement a bit of world-building as well. He's fairly adept at that (as shown with MOS, particularly Krypton).
I wouldn't mind if Kryptonians were in some way the ancestors of all humanoids on Earth (including Amazons). A bit like Prometheus. So you don't necessarily have Amazons as Kryptonians, but they do share a lineage, however distant that may be. Which I think is still fine. Doesn't impede anything significant as far as I can see. And it does try to make sense of how all these species look exactly the same but are somehow galaxies/worlds/dimensions apart. It's going to be increasingly important as the DCU expands over the years. Particularly once we start exploring other worlds. |
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To me the problem is, I don't care about Superman or Batman. I want a WW movie, a 100% WW movie somewhere down the line and I want the whole thing. WW fighting her best villains which are Ares and Circe, interaction with creatures and beings from Greek mythology. A WW introduced in MOS as a Kryptonian off shoot pretty much nails the coffin shut to a true WW movie in that vein and I really really have no interest in seeing a WW movie where she fights a genetically engineered werecheetah that's simply too limited in scope.
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My issue with this is that she fights a lot of characters from the greek myths...Circe...Ares and Hades just off the top of my head. WW just got an upgrade in powers since it was revealed that she is the daughter of Zeus. By making up the mythology you lose a lot of villains in an already very weak villain pool.
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