Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - Part 6

[MrsKent26]

Originally Posted by Marvin

I personally want what's important, if thats magic(as it seems to be over at marvel) then I don't see why it can't still be present. It really is some of these other people that are in the either or game. I personally think amazons can be hell a magical even if they have alien origins.

I see. So technically, you're fine with this change, but are also fine with magic. Not much seems to faze you. That's probably a good thing.

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Originally Posted by KRYPTON INC.

So... Only WW's origin warrants a radical make over to give her some kind of connection to Superman's homeworld because.... Why? But everyone else will have a recognizable origin? I am not sure what you mean anymore Marvin.

maybe they wrote a story that works better that way?

And I wouldn't call it a radical makeover.

Wonder Woman wearing a Kryptonian outfit and shooting laser beams out of her eyes would be a radical makeover.

Again, I'm more concerned about how they're going to change how things feel in the present rather than the past.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by KRYPTON INC.

So... Only WW's origin warrants a radical make over to give her some kind of connection to Superman's homeworld because.... Why? But everyone else will have a recognizable origin? I am not sure what you mean anymore Marvin.

radical? as it stands amazons came from where exactly, monkeys?
Tying their beginnings to kara instead can still yield something very recognizable. Making wonder woman come from krypton by way of scout ship would be another matter imo.

Again, they've been changing cbm orgins for 15 years now. Yes, everyone else would be recognizable.

[jaymes_e06]

Originally Posted by Marvin

I'm sure it could be explained in 2 minutes. Doesn't mean it should only be two minutes worth of material to explore.


What do you think. I mean really.
That's the implication you get here?
Like I said, literally worst case scanario is your first option.


I personally want what's important, if thats magic(as it seems to be over at marvel) then I don't see why it can't still be present. It really is some of these other people that are in the either or game. I personally think amazons can be hell a magical even if they have alien origins.


magical island et all.

That would be terrible

And I'm not saying that they have to be mutually exclusive but it is so stupid to me to randomly have the Krypton origin but then going "oh wait nevermind she really is magical but not really magical." huh? If your going to go that direction you might as well go the whole nine yards and just say she is a Scifi character.

[Marvin]

If the amazons pray and worship real gods, why not. I mean Aquaman has fish powers, yet Aqualad(also a fish guy) has full on magical mojo going on.
Make them them a 'culty' society, have the kara ties explain why it's all women, I don't know, there's lots of angles that would do the whole thing justice.

Originally Posted by MrsKent26

I see. So technically, you're fine with this change, but are also fine with magic. Not much seems to faze you. That's probably a good thing.

I don't think this change and magic as mutually exclusive.

And not much fazes me till after I have something to judge. I've been around here to long to be any other way. Organic webs was a fun one.

[MrsKent26]

Originally Posted by Marvin

Again, they've been changing cbm orgins for 15 years now. Yes, everyone else would be recognizable.

Have they? Perhaps minor changes, but I don't remember them tying two previously unrelated character origins together before.

[regwec]

This "rumour" is not even a "rumour", but merely the ramblings of a fan who is renowned for being a bit thick.

It isn't worth any more aggro.

[jaymes_e06]

Originally Posted by MrsKent26

Have they? Perhaps minor changes, but I don't remember them tying two previously unrelated character origins together before.

It's never happened. I think people are just trying to convince themselves it's the right approach because they like it. I'm not saying that she should be a page for page adaptation of the first comic but come on!

[jaymes_e06]

Originally Posted by regwec

This "rumour" is not even a "rumour", but merely the ramblings of a fan who is renowned for being a bit thick.

It isn't worth any more aggro.

You have a point.

[MrsKent26]

Originally Posted by jaymes_e06

It's never happened. I think people are just trying to convince themselves it's the right approach because they like it. I'm not saying that she should be a page for page adaptation of the first comic but come on!

That's what I thought. If this does happen, it's a first. I like to think I'm open to change, but am undecided about this.

And as some have said, it's not even a real thing yet, so I'm really just talking hypothetically.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by MrsKent26

Have they? Perhaps minor changes, but I don't remember them tying two previously unrelated character origins together before.

You'd have to define related. From tdk, to jack nicolson, to marvel, to what looks to be happening in ASM. It's happened. However, something about the mos universe wipes memories and makes everything ultra relevant(from superman killing for the very first time ever to... etc)
I digress, it's bed time.

As for what's worth taking about. It'd be just as relevant an idea/prospect to discuss if any hype member put it forth imo. Seems like an interesting idea.

[MrsKent26]

Originally Posted by Marvin

You'd have to define related. From tdk, to jack nicolson, to marvel, to what looks to be happening in ASM. It's happened. However, something about the mos universe wipes memories and makes everything ultra relevant(from superman killing for the very first time ever to... etc)
I digress, it's bed time.

As for what's worth taking about. It's be just as relevant an idea/prospect to discuss if any hype member put it forth imo. Seems like an interesting idea.

I don't mind discussing it, but people do sometimes get carried away and seem to forget it's not a fact. And this is different than superman killing because there was examples of that from the source material. There is no precedent for this in the comics and I think that's people's issue with it. As I said, I'm not totally against this, but can see why some would be.

[regwec]

Assuming that we do see some of the Amazon culture, I am fascinated to see how Weta designs it. I'm sure they could produce something really striking by developing concepts in Greek art and architecture, just as they developed the material cultures of Middle Earth from from genuine historical ones.

[jaymes_e06]

Originally Posted by regwec

Assuming that we do see some of the Amazon culture, I am fascinated to see how Weta designs it. I'm sure they could produce something really striking by developing concepts in Greek art and architecture, just as they developed the material cultures of Middle Earth from from genuine historical ones.

Agreed. It will be amazing to see realized for the first time on the big screen.

[KRYPTON INC.]

If they have time in a solo film I would like to see them do something that is often glossed over in CBMs: Training. The constant honing of mind, spirit and body it would require to continually operate at the level most superheroes do. WW's people are all about self actualization so I think that could easily fit in. Maybe they have a philosophy of "Make yourself a better person so that you can make a better world" or something similar?

[Jake Cassidy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Q0bMuvBME

[TheFlamingCoco]

Originally Posted by KRYPTON INC.

If they have time in a solo film I would like to see them do something that is often glossed over in CBMs: Training. The constant honing of mind, spirit and body it would require to continually operate at the level most superheroes do. WW's people are all about self actualization so I think that could easily fit in. Maybe they have a philosophy of "Make yourself a better person so that you can make a better world" or something similar?

It's sad that Batman Begins' training scenes are the best action sequences of the movie. From the intercutting of wide and ultra wide shots, to the close up of the impact as each sword hits, to the medium angles as the blades pull away.

If he had applied that aesthetic to the fighting (and got better choreographers) we might have had rather strong action.

An over-the-shoulder shot of a punch being thrown, close-up of the fists hitting the target, and a medium shot of two brawlers engaging in conflict (with the occasional wide shot). It would be a lot more immersive that way, instead of going shakey cam or locking in the cam so that the cameraman himself seems bored with the action.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by Jake Cassidy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Q0bMuvBME

Having grown up on Morrison's Batman, I'd expect no less.
Long live Uber-Bat-God.

[LaughingMage]

Originally Posted by FeedOnATreeFrog

Who says the Kryptonians don't have the technology to engineer people from "clay" or create lassos that make people tell the truth?

Maybe this group went all "Bioshock" with their advanced technology and turned themselves into 'Gods'.

Because no where in MOS was it shown that Krypton was on that level of scientific advancement. Otherwise, why not simply snap a finger and teleport off the exlpoding planet?

Your other claim is impossible. If you are stranded on a planet 20000 years less advanced you will not be able to advance your own scientific understanding by simple rule of limited resources. If you are a particle physicist and suddenly get transported back into the middle ages you will not be able to build a particle accelerator there. You might have all the knowledge but you can't use it practically because your don't have the necessairy tools, materials and so on and forth.

[LaughingMage]

Originally Posted by TheFlamingCoco

^ The lasso of truth comes from an ancient Kryptonian fiber, whose threads are filled with truth serum that cut into the skin and invade the bloodstream, causing a confession on those bound tightly with it.

That... urmph... sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[The Guard]

Obviously it's just speculation, and I think it's needlessly complicated in the end, but for the sake of argument, let's say they made the Amazons descendants of Kryptonians in some fashion...but they were still Amazons, with their requisite Greek-inspired mythologies, etc, and some sort of product of genetics/evolution. Would people be any more likely to accept that?

In the real world, we know that the Greeks basically made up their gods and goddesses, or drew them from other religions. Couldn't Wonder Woman's mythology reflect that in a sense?

I think the only overarching interesting idea here is that Kryptonians seeded Earth and some other worlds. The argument is that this makes everything about Superman. But that's not about Superman, per se, that's about Kryptonians. More to the point, it's about common ancestry for all beings. That's a much bigger idea than "Superman's mythology".

Also, who says magic can't exist? Maybe the descendants of Kryptonians also discovered/interacted with magical forces.

[Jekecy]

At first I was really against the Kryptonian angle for Diana, but if they do go this route, I would hope it's something beyond a haphazard means of integrating Themyscira into this universe. If Goyer actually plans to reinvent the origin, I have a notion he's going to implement a bit of world-building as well. He's fairly adept at that (as shown with MOS, particularly Krypton).

I wouldn't mind if Kryptonians were in some way the ancestors of all humanoids on Earth (including Amazons). A bit like Prometheus. So you don't necessarily have Amazons as Kryptonians, but they do share a lineage, however distant that may be. Which I think is still fine. Doesn't impede anything significant as far as I can see. And it does try to make sense of how all these species look exactly the same but are somehow galaxies/worlds/dimensions apart. It's going to be increasingly important as the DCU expands over the years. Particularly once we start exploring other worlds.

[LaughingMage]

Originally Posted by MrsKent26

That's what I thought. If this does happen, it's a first. I like to think I'm open to change, but am undecided about this.

And as some have said, it's not even a real thing yet, so I'm really just talking hypothetically.

To me the problem is, I don't care about Superman or Batman. I want a WW movie, a 100% WW movie somewhere down the line and I want the whole thing. WW fighting her best villains which are Ares and Circe, interaction with creatures and beings from Greek mythology. A WW introduced in MOS as a Kryptonian off shoot pretty much nails the coffin shut to a true WW movie in that vein and I really really have no interest in seeing a WW movie where she fights a genetically engineered werecheetah that's simply too limited in scope.

[roach]

Originally Posted by The Guard

In the real world, we know that the Greeks basically made up their gods and goddesses, or drew them from other religions. Couldn't Wonder Woman's mythology reflect that in a sense?

My issue with this is that she fights a lot of characters from the greek myths...Circe...Ares and Hades just off the top of my head. WW just got an upgrade in powers since it was revealed that she is the daughter of Zeus. By making up the mythology you lose a lot of villains in an already very weak villain pool.

[MrsKent26]

Originally Posted by LaughingMage

To me the problem is, I don't care about Superman or Batman. I want a WW movie, a 100% WW movie somewhere down the line and I want the whole thing. WW fighting her best villains which are Ares and Circe, interaction with creatures and beings from Greek mythology. A WW introduced in MOS as a Kryptonian off shoot pretty much nails the coffin shut to a true WW movie in that vein and I really really have no interest in seeing a WW movie where she fights a genetically engineered werecheetah that's simply too limited in scope.

This change of her mythology probably won't even happen. You could still get the WW movie you want.