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Old 01-07-2014, 10:13 AM   #101
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If the Krypto-Amazons were still to retain their Hellenic culture, then it would inevitably be implied that the Kryptonians were directly responsible for the rise of classical civilization and, therefore, western civilization in general. So Superman is sent to Earth as a bridge between Krypton and a Kryptonian colony.

I want to punch myself for saying that. Now I have to listen to someone pretend it's a good idea.

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What's next, Joe Chill was driven to kill Martha and Thomas Wayne becasue he was a meteor freak after getting hooked on Kryptonite-based drugs?

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The Joker was just a man going about his daily business, picking up a few items from Wal-Mart. That was until the vibrations from the Kryptonian terraforming machine dislodged a whole shelf of bathroom cleaning products onto him!

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It DOES tie everything together, doesn't it? You're on to something here!

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I could have written a paper about all the things I thought wrong with my interpretation of having Bruce Wayne trained by the league of shadows and Ra's of all people. I would tell my less inclined friends about how backwards and even impossible it was in my mind. Concepts can be all sorts of things.

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Obviously it's just speculation, and I think it's needlessly complicated in the end, but for the sake of argument, let's say they made the Amazons descendants of Kryptonians in some fashion...but they were still Amazons, with their requisite Greek-inspired mythologies, etc, and some sort of product of genetics/evolution. Would people be any more likely to accept that?

In the real world, we know that the Greeks basically made up their gods and goddesses, or drew them from other religions. Couldn't Wonder Woman's mythology reflect that in a sense?

Also, who says magic can't exist? Maybe the descendants of Kryptonians also discovered/interacted with magical forces.
Finally. However what you are doing is imagining a scenario that isn't the worst case.

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I think the only overarching interesting idea here is that Kryptonians seeded Earth and some other worlds. The argument is that this makes everything about Superman. But that's not about Superman, per se, that's about Kryptonians. More to the point, it's about common ancestry for all beings. That's a much bigger idea than "Superman's mythology".
Good luck(to wb) convincing fans to think otherwise. Like superman sharing his sequel with the other guy, sometimes we all get alittle tribal about this sort of thing. I find the word 'Offshoot' indicative of such things.

Like MoS and TDKT, I personally wouldn't do things this way, but I do see the merit in the concept. However, what I've learned about fans is that they view these films as definitive works and sometimes it's better to leave re-defining for those Graphic novels(see earth one). With DC anyways.

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My issue with this is that she fights a lot of characters from the greek myths...Circe...Ares and Hades just off the top of my head. WW just got an upgrade in powers since it was revealed that she is the daughter of Zeus. By making up the mythology you lose a lot of villains in an already very weak villain pool.
This is my point.

Who says the Greek Mythology could not also exist?

Like I said, needlessly complicated perhaps, but conceptually, it could work.

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It sounds like a cop out to make these movies more about Superman in unnecessary ways since his film is getting hijacked by other characters.

"Batman is going to steal the spotlight. How can we get the attention back to Superman?"
"I know! Make everything Kryptonian! Krypton seeded the earth! SUPERMAN IS EVERYWHEREEEEE"

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My issue with this is that she fights a lot of characters from the greek myths...Circe...Ares and Hades just off the top of my head. WW just got an upgrade in powers since it was revealed that she is the daughter of Zeus. By making up the mythology you lose a lot of villains in an already very weak villain pool.
I was thinking about this whilst watching some xena.
I suppose it boils down whether one needs gods to be fought in flesh and blood and real time, vs fighting forces that you worship at the alter and "the followers of" such and such. I imagine people expect a certain style from this material.

I think possession would be one way to go about it.

And this happened in the same movie that just turned vampirism into a pathogen
..in the same movie.

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The more I think about the idea in connection to MOS the more I don't think this will happen. In the scene where Jor-el and Lara are talking about humanity there is no mention of them being an off shoot of Kryptonians. In the scene he is trying to convince her that Kal will be ok there "They are an off shoot of our race" would have helped to calm her fears.

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I don't think it will happen either but I think it would still make sense.

Haven't read the comic in a long while but wasn't Kara's ship lost and wildly off mission? I mean wouldn't they have tried to find her and stuff if they knew anything of her fate. Her only family that is...

Scripting wise, such revelations(mission to mars for example) are better served down the road imo. Mentioning that to Lara at that point in the story seems tricky and requiring of immediate follow up. Then there is the matter of what it would do to Zod's motivations in the eyes of the knowing audience..

Seems like something better served having a brainic type reveal, he would have dna samples and all that stuff

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I don't.... at all.

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The more I think about the idea in connection to MOS the more I don't think this will happen. In the scene where Jor-el and Lara are talking about humanity there is no mention of them being an off shoot of Kryptonians. In the scene he is trying to convince her that Kal will be ok there "They are an off shoot of our race" would have helped to calm her fears.
that's because humans aren't an off shoot. for all we know, kara boned some human and that's how we got the amazons. i hope it doesn't happen though. I'm tired of all the fan boy wining about every little thing at this point.

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Hey, if were going to tie WW's origins into the Kryptonians, why not do it for all of the JL members? Let's be equal opportunity about this:
-An exiled Kryptonian murdered Bruce Wayne's parents, and a Kryptonian trained him as well.
-A Kryptonian founded Atlantis and all of the Atlanteans (including Aquaman) are also off shoots of the Kryptonians, just like the Amazons.
-A Kryptonian flying by caused the lightning strike that gave Flash his powers.
-A Kryptonian crippled Vic Stone and forced his dad to make him into a Cyborg.
-etc.
Why should WW have all the fun? Let's get everybody in on the action.

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Hey, if were going to tie WW's origins into the Kryptonians, why not do it for all of the JL members? Let's be equal opportunity about this:
-An exiled Kryptonian murdered Bruce Wayne's parents, and a Kryptonian trained him as well.
-A Kryptonian founded Atlantis and all of the Atlanteans (including Aquaman) are also off shoots of the Kryptonians, just like the Amazons.
-A Kryptonian flying by caused the lightning strike that gave Flash his powers.
-A Kryptonian crippled Vic Stone and forced his dad to make him into a Cyborg.
-etc.
Why should WW have all the fun? Let's get everybody in on the action.
there were people suggesting that the flash got his powers from krypto tech we didn't get nearly half the outrage for that that we're getting for this.

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Lois' hairdresser is secretly a Kryptonian.

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I love that flash idea, very creative

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Hey, if were going to tie WW's origins into the Kryptonians, why not do it for all of the JL members? Let's be equal opportunity about this:
-An exiled Kryptonian murdered Bruce Wayne's parents, and a Kryptonian trained him as well.
-A Kryptonian founded Atlantis and all of the Atlanteans (including Aquaman) are also off shoots of the Kryptonians, just like the Amazons.
-A Kryptonian flying by caused the lightning strike that gave Flash his powers.
-A Kryptonian crippled Vic Stone and forced his dad to make him into a Cyborg.
-etc.
Why should WW have all the fun? Let's get everybody in on the action.
Hell, let's transcend the DC Universe:
- Ultron is a Kryptonian mech designed to eradicated humankind.
- Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are children of the Kryptonian prophecy
- Thor and Loki are revealed to have a long line of Kryptonian ancestry
- Hulk is green because Krypton is green
- Fury's eye is revealed to be a space-time portal that sends people to Krypton

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It sounds like a cop out to make these movies more about Superman in unnecessary ways since his film is getting hijacked by other characters.

"Batman is going to steal the spotlight. How can we get the attention back to Superman?"
"I know! Make everything Kryptonian! Krypton seeded the earth! SUPERMAN IS EVERYWHEREEEEE"
This is still just a rumor right?

Seriously though, if they were to alter Wondy's origins I wouldn't be surprised. I thought they would do this anyway since her origin is pretty convoluted. Yet, I'm not a fan of the idea of making her a Kryptonian descendant. For me that just derails the themes in MOS, and I don't like the idea of Snyder or Goyer backtracking on that.

I'm still pushing for my idea of Themyscira being a parallel universe that is connected to earth and accessed in some way by PZ technology That way you can keep Diana's mythological heritage, but have it connected to earth with pseudo-science that doesn't require a lot of explanation. That's a win-wiin in my book.

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WW origins don't have to be convoluted, they can simplify it for the movie without resorting to this stupidity. Heck, the Brian Azzarello origin that she currently has would work just fine, if you remove the part about the Amazons as murdering rapists of course. It's simple enough.

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That's a win-wiin in my book.
no such thing as a win win..
not in this genre.

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no such thing as a win win..
not in this genre.
In my book it would be...
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WW origins don't have to be convoluted, they can simplify it for the movie without resorting to this stupidity. Heck, the Brian Azzarello origin that she currently has would work just fine, if you remove the part about the Amazons as murdering rapists of course. It's simple enough.
I have not read Azzarello's run, so I can't really say. Yet, you're not the first person to say this would be a good idea. Personally, I don't care what they do as long as they make Themyscira a parallel dimension that is tied into the PZ disturbance. I rather that then have her be a Kryptonian descendant.

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I really like your idea Huntress I think it would also be a win-win to all these pseudo sciencers and the more comic accurate wanters.

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You forgot to add Alfred actually being a secret Superman robot, reprogrammed by Bats.

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You forgot to add Alfred actually being a secret Superman robot, reprogrammed by Bats.
Everyone knows they have been replaced with twerking Kryptonians. Jeez get it together people.

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Kryptonians make the best butlers. The British have known this for years...

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