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Old 03-02-2014, 09:57 AM   #901
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A billion and some change, IIRC.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:56 PM   #902
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The IM3 was terrible. Part 4 can't get here soon enough!

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But it is a retcon. There is a real Mandarin! Killian was a pretender to the throne now.

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Old 03-03-2014, 05:08 AM   #903
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There was effectively no Mandarin in Iron Man 3 now. Killian could have been called The Grand Papoose....R-E-T-C-O-N

It was a terrible decision and a bastardization of Iron Man's most iconic villain. The people that defended the hokey twist now get to eat crow as Marvel has fixed their terrible mistake. Feels good.
The Grand Papoose was not the leader (in legend) of the Ten Rings organization that Killian researched, assumed was disbanded and subsequently co-opted. No R-E-T-C-O-N.

If anyone bastardized Iron Man's "most iconic villain", it was Killian and Trevor. Marvel played this perfectly.
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But it is a retcon. There is a real Mandarin! Killian was a pretender to the throne now.
That's exactly why it isn't a retcon! Killian manufactured the Mandarin persona. IM3 never disputed this!

Some of y'all didn't like what they did and/or are continuing to do with The Mandarin. Some (by my count, "most") of us liked what they did and continue to like what they're doing with the character. This is completely fine. What are we even doing on a message board if everyone agreed with everything? But calling it a retcon is just objectively wrong.


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Old 03-03-2014, 05:24 AM   #904
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So I just watched this wonderful One-Shot. It made me happy for many reasons! Yesssss!!! Iron Man 3 was already my favorite Iron Man film, but now I have very little issues with it due to this one-shot. I can't stop smiling on how good this was!

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Old 03-03-2014, 01:48 PM   #905
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Trevor will be the Mandarin. Think of this.

There is a real Mandarin, supposedly, and it ain't Killian. Iron man 3 was said to be an introduction to the Mandarin. Trevor "became" the Mandarin, the role. So Iron Man 3 may have been an intro to Trevor, and eventually adapting that persona somehow and rising to the top? That would be a very interesting take on a villain, don't forget that Iron man 3 was an intro to the Mandarin.

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Old 03-03-2014, 01:55 PM   #906
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Trevor will be the Mandarin. Think of this.

There is a real Mandarin, supposedly, and it ain't Killian. Iron man 3 was said to be an introduction to the Mandarin. Trevor "became" the Mandarin, the role. So Iron Man 3 may have been an intro to Trevor, and eventually adapting that persona somehow and rising to the top? That would be a very interesting take on a villain, don't forget that Iron man 3 was an intro to the Mandarin.
Trevor's already been shown to be an incompetent buffoon, there's no way to double back now and turn him into a criminal mastermind. Like the short said there's a "real" Mandarin out there and he's unhappy with how Killian presented him. Since Killian is dead he wants to make Trevor pay for it.

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Trevor's already been shown to be an incompetent buffoon, there's no way to double back now and turn him into a criminal mastermind. Like the short said there's a "real" Mandarin out there and he's unhappy with how Killian presented him. Since Killian is dead he wants to make Trevor pay for it.
Perhaps he will pay for it, by becoming the face of the Mandarin? Permanently.

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Perhaps he will pay for it, by becoming the face of the Mandarin? Permanently.
So just rehash what his role was in IM3? Why bother?

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Because....Mandarin!?

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So just rehash what his role was in IM3? Why bother?
I don't know its random speculation on my part, but he will disappear from the public eye (and several MCU films) for quite some time before miraculously returning. His mind will be different and perhaps he no longer will be Trevor Slattery. He will have be brainwashed or manipulated to acting like he really is the Mandarin under the control of the "actual" Mandarin.

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That seems like poor writing to me

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That seems like poor writing to me
I love it.

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I don't know its random speculation on my part, but he will disappear from the public eye (and several MCU films) for quite some time before miraculously returning. His mind will be different and perhaps he no longer will be Trevor Slattery. He will have be brainwashed or manipulated to acting like he really is the Mandarin under the control of the "actual" Mandarin.
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That seems like poor writing to me
Yea you essentially want to redo the plot of IM3 but instead of Killian using Trevor, you want the real Mandarin to use Trevor instead? Why bother with that when you can have a straight up Mandarin/10 Rings going after Iron Man instead of dragging Trevor along the way...again.

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Honestly, Marvel shoulda just said "whatever" and went along with whatever was originally planned. I mean, Thor 2 didn't flop, people are praising how awesome GOTG and TWS looks...so why? To make those....maybe 1,000 people who were upset over it happy? What about when fans were upset over IM2 being IM2, or the replacement of Norton for Ruffalo (something I always liked.)

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While I'm not a fan of the twist this whole thing just seems fruitless given they've already made a call to go a certain route with the characters and events of IM3. Just stick to what you've done, and focus on what's to come (Guardians, Winter Solider, Avengers 2, Ant Man, Ect.). Maybe a few years from now they might do something to make use of this set up, but for right now it's kind of pointless in the path they had paved in what they wanted.

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Despite the fact that I really liked the twist, I completely agree with what you said.

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Despite the fact that I really liked the twist, I completely agree with what you said.
Just realized it's not the first time we've agreed on movie discussions.

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I don't think it's pointless. Even if nothing comes from this reveal in the near future. Marvel Studios is all about playing the long game. They're planting seeds, fleshing out the universe, while waiting to see which threads they can pick up and expand upon in the future.

Right now, we know that there is a real Mandarin out there, simmering with rage and planning while he rebuilds the Ten Rings to its former glory... and beyond. Even if those seeds don't take root immediately, it's well worth from a "universe expanding" perspective IMO.

Think of it like Thanos' grin at the end of The Avengers. At the time, most of us we were certain that he would be the antagonist of Avengers 2. The fact that he'll probably make a full fledged "primary villain" appearance only in Avenger 3 did not make the Avengers' tag scene pointless. He's out there "somewhere" pulling strings, trying to position the Infinity Stones into his possession.

I love all of this, and it seems completely "worth it"... to me at least.


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Trevor will be the Mandarin. Think of this.

There is a real Mandarin, supposedly, and it ain't Killian. Iron man 3 was said to be an introduction to the Mandarin. Trevor "became" the Mandarin, the role. So Iron Man 3 may have been an intro to Trevor, and eventually adapting that persona somehow and rising to the top? That would be a very interesting take on a villain, don't forget that Iron man 3 was an intro to the Mandarin.
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Just realized it's not the first time we've agreed on movie discussions.
Oh, I've seen you alot on these forums (esp. when TDKR came out lol), I don't too often disagree with what you post.

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Oh, I've seen you alot on these forums (esp. when TDKR came out lol), I don't too often disagree with what you post.
Ha yea I avoided this place like it was grim death to avoid anyone spoiling anything, no forum was safe!

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I don't think it's pointless. Even if nothing comes from this reveal in the near future. Marvel Studios is all about playing the long game. They're planting seeds, fleshing out the universe, while waiting to see which threads they can pick up and expand upon in the future.

Right now, we know that there is a real Mandarin out there, simmering with rage and planning while he rebuilds the Ten Rings to its former glory... and beyond. Even if those seeds don't take root immediately, it's well worth from a "universe expanding" perspective IMO.

Think of it like Thanos' grin at the end of The Avengers. At the time, most of us we were certain that he would be the antagonist of Avengers 2. The fact that he'll probably make a full fledged "primary villain" appearance only in Avenger 3 did not make the Avengers' tag scene pointless. He's out there "somewhere" pulling strings, trying to position the Infinity Stones into his possession.

I love all of this, and it seems completely "worth it"... to me at least.
Totally agree, there's a reason for them to add this. There's a reason behind these one shots, it may only be for the superfans out there, but they wouldn't release these for no reason other than to make fans happy about a about they already paid to see in the theaters and probably bought on DVD/Blu-Ray/Streaming. It's a bit more world building. Maybe they back up the money truck to Downey's house again for one last run as Iron Man between Avengers 2 and 3 or after 3 to pay off the Mandarin. Killian line in Iron Man 3 always seemed more like just telling what he wanted to hear. You want a villain, the mastermind, the Mandarin? It's me, I'm the threat!

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Ha yea I avoided this place like it was grim death to avoid anyone spoiling anything, no forum was safe!
I recommend you stay away from TASM2 forums then, unless you're like me (who thinks it looks awful), and need to know what you're gonna walk into.

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I recommend you stay away from TASM2 forums then, unless you're like me (who thinks it looks awful), and need to know what you're gonna walk into.
I'm not interested really, I don't think it looks to appealing but I could be wrong. Even then though I still won't seek spoilers, I'll just see the movie fresh and see what I think then. Don't want to be unfair, want to go in with an open mind.

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I'm not interested really, I don't think it looks to appealing but I could be wrong. Even then though I still won't seek spoilers, I'll just see the movie fresh and see what I think then. Don't want to be unfair, want to go in with an open mind.

To risk further going off topic I'll message you or vise versa.
Damn, I think it looks awful too LOL. If you wanna know the spoilers that I know, just shoot me a PM.

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