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Oh yeah....Marvel just "plans" everything don't they? It didn't matter...Thor 2 was lousy anyway. |
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Well Cap always had the April release date.
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Considering that there has yet to be a bad Marvel Studios film, I think their approach is working perfectly.
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What? "There has yet to be a bad Marvel film?" GTFO here with that! ![]() ![]() |
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Lots of bad Marvel films. Elektra, Fantastic Fours, Daredevil, HULK, Spider-Man 3. |
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I disagree. For me Thor 2 and Iron man 2/3 are pretty bad. And there's some others I find good/decent, but nothing special. Of course, that's just my opinion.
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I see this imagined flaw in Marvel Studios approach to film making being criticized here constantly and, quite frankly, it's completely ridiculous. All of their films have been critical successes and a hit with audiences; explain to me how their films have 'suffered'? They're pumping out movies at a consistent pace every year with an interwoven continuity, and have been dang successful at it. So successful in fact, that DC and other studios who own superhero properties are attempting to copy their plan. On that note, it's a stretch to say that DC has any sort of "approach" to their movies. They've been throwing things at the wall to see what sticks; Jonah Hex? Green Lantern? They had a good thing with Nolan but now that he's out of the picture they're copying Marvel's blueprint to see if that'll work for them. |
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You may not have liked them, which is fine, but they certainly were not bad movies.
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Whatever.
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"Bad" is subjective. They were bad to some people, like me.
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Are we talking about pre-MCU joint productions like Elektra and Man-Thing? If so, those were bad. All of the MS productions (ie, the Avengers related movies) have been in the great-to-amazing range in terms of quality.
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Which isn't what you said literally 2 minutes ago.
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Whether or not you like a movie is where the subjectivity comes from. Movies can be objectively good or objectively bad. Those movies were listed were not objectively bad. They were objectively good. |
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I think it's debatable. I feel the Phase II movies are amongst the worst that Marvel Studios has ever brought out (IMO worse than IM2, which gets **** on here quite often).
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Objectivity based on what...?
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I think this bears repeating: I think it's tough to really criticize a studio whose every film has received reviews ranging from generally positive to unanimous acclaim.
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Directing, cinematography, writing, acting, etc.
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Only reason why Marvel Studios are pumping out superhero movies left and right is because that's all they can afford to do.
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Again, yep.
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Objective means: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. Subjective means: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. There is no objective opinion on whether a movie is good or bad. There are subjective opinions. Which is literally what I said 2 minutes ago. |
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That's still subjective no matter how you slice it. See: MOS's writing and directing. People liked and people hated these things.
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That's like someone saying TDKR has no problems because it has an 85% in RT and generally positive review. Surely, you realize how arbitrary this way of thinking is. |
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Bad movies have bad writing, directing, etc. but can still be liked. Good movies can have good writing, directing etc. but can still be disliked. Movies can be objectively good or bad. Subjectivity comes in when someone expresses their feelings about said movie. |
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Agree on Iron Man 3, but I felt Thor 2 was better, Agents of SHIELD I can understand. I feel the preferences of what most General Audiences liked about the Marvel Studios films so far(the style of humor akin to that of Joss Whedon and Shane Black) are being milked to the max in order to increase good reception and thus box office return as they're the ones really paying for the movie. Since they're a business, no doubt this is their motive. One of these days, the GA and critics are going to get tired of this and that day will be the downfall of Marvel Studios. That is unless Captain America: TWS and Guardians of the Galaxy redeems it. However, they did say Avengers 2 would be more serious.
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It's fine if you don't like the movies they're making, I get that. But to make baseless accusations that they're mindlessly churning these things out and paying attention only to quantity and not quality (a criticism I've seen on this thread and elsewhere) is nonsense. |
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I think a case can be made for deteriorating quality if you compare both Phase I and II movies. Quote:
I agree in terms of milking, I mean it's jarring to see the tonal differences between Phase I and II. Marvel isn't known for their serious tone, but they really went overboard with the crappy humour rather than create a healthy balance like what Joss Whedon accomplished. And if they don't realize that they're doing it in excess, then people are eventually going to be tired of them. |
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