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Old 01-23-2014, 04:00 PM   #51
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No, there is a difference between making a costume look believable and not ridiculous and adding on armor. The changes people have done in adapting WW's costume is not simply adding armor.
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Don't muck this up Snyder. I don't want no stupid armor to fight Superman or some dumb **** like that. Bats fought supes in JL: War and he was able to fend him off in his black 'n greys. Simply by using his Batmind, can we get THAT Batman for once ? GOD !

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I think it's kinda funny how a lot of people want to armor up Wonder Woman, who doesn't necessarily need it, but then the mention of doing the same with Batman, people complain. Both have done it in the comics so it's not exactly a new concept.
When people say they want armor on Wonder Woman, it's so she actually looks like she comes from a warrior culture and doesn't simply look like a pinup girl. It's got nothing to do with adding extra layers of protectiveness. And even if that were the reason, she doesn't rely on stealth and wouldn't be slowed down by any amount of armor.

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Don't muck this up Snyder. I don't want no stupid armor to fight Superman or some dumb **** like that. Bats fought supes in JL: War and he was able to fend him off in his black 'n greys. Simply by using his Batmind, can we get THAT Batman for once ? GOD !
I'd argue that showing Batman in his regular costume laying the smackdown on Superman makes the Man of Steel look wimpy.

I accept that type of imagery in comics, because a lot of crazy things happen there :P

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Makes sense for Diana considering her culture. What do people think her bracers are? They're not made of cheese puffs.

I hope she looks similar to this, and breaks out the sword, spear and shield at some point too.



I'm sure knickers are twisting as we speak but I'll take this look over gramma panties any day.

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When people say they want armor on Wonder Woman, it's so she actually looks like she comes from a warrior culture and doesn't simply look like a pinup girl. It's got nothing to do with adding extra layers of protectiveness. And even if that were the reason, she doesn't rely on stealth and wouldn't be slowed down by any amount of armor.

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Don't muck this up Snyder. I don't want no stupid armor to fight Superman or some dumb **** like that. Bats fought supes in JL: War and he was able to fend him off in his black 'n greys. Simply by using his Batmind, can we get THAT Batman for once ? GOD !
Zero interest in a fight between the two. I just want Bats to do show off some detective skills for a change.

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What if the armor sprays a gas that is the chemical composition of krypton a atmosphere? It wouldn't completely depower Supes cos it's not a sealed environment but the presence of the atmospheric composition should effect him perhaps enough for a man in an exoskeleton armored suit to have a small small chance.
And that again only works if you write Superman like a complete idiot. Once he realizes that getting close to Batman is a bad idea, he has multiple ways to combat him. Thunderclap, heat vision and super breath. Any of those moves are enough to put Batman down for the count.

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I don't get the complaints about Batman having an armored/powered suit. How would that somehow make him less human or vulnerable as a character, especially if it's only something he uses situationally, like in the comics?

To regular people, sure, he'd be less vulnerable. To superpowered gods/creatures? Eh...it would just allow him to play in their league, which is sort of the point. Another angle of Batman.

If anything, it showcases and highlights his humanity even more, and displays his ingenuity, his technical savvy, genius, etc.

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What do you mean? Just look how original Hollywood can be

Robocop's black suit is part of the satire of the film.

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When people say they want armor on Wonder Woman, it's so she actually looks like she comes from a warrior culture and doesn't simply look like a pinup girl. It's got nothing to do with adding extra layers of protectiveness. And even if that were the reason, she doesn't rely on stealth and wouldn't be slowed down by any amount of armor.
I understand exactly what you are saying and I get it, I also appreciate the response minus the eye roll emoticon of a 16 year old girl.
I was just making an observation as to the fact that I found it funny that people wanted one yet opposed the other…not that Im for or against it.

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^ I'd want him to have SPECIAL armor for fighting Superman. Yeah, I know it wouldn't help him much..

But then again, by the logic of "it's useless", he'd be fighting Superman in his Batbriefs.

Armor would be good at "selling" the idea of Batman being some type of threat to Superman.

And it would look cool. And it would allow for a nice, CG oriented fight..

And if the suit is gently pulled apart by Superman, then we can finally see the Batsuit in all its glory.

I think it would be neat. Kind of TDKR gone backwards.
I guess Batman wearing armor doesn't sell the idea of him being a threat to me at all. It just distracts me and I think about how that armor won't save him. His brain is what makes him a threat. He's sneaky and clever and always coming up with some scheme. That's what I like to see.

And to me, the armor doesn't look cool. It looks silly and generic. IMO, Bats hasn't looked good in live action for so long. I'm ready for something new.

However, it's just personal preference and it doesn't bother me that some are ok with the armor thing. It's just not my preference, but I may be able to deal with it if it's only on him for a short period and it isn't used to save him from Superman/make him superman's physical equal because that doesn't make sense to me. Armor cannot make him superman's physical match and it's too much of a stretch in believability for me.

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I don't get the complaints about Batman having an armored/powered suit. How would that somehow make him less human or vulnerable?

To regular people, sure. To superpowered gods/creatures? Eh...it would just allow him to play in their league, which is sort of the point.

If anything, it showcases and highlights his humanity even more, and displays his ingenuity, his technical savvy, genius, etc.
Why, then, does Batman stick his god-powered super suit on top of the wardrobe, one he's finished with it?

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I'd argue that showing Batman in his regular costume laying the smackdown on Superman makes the Man of Steel look wimpy.

I accept that type of imagery in comics, because a lot of crazy things happen there :P
Yeah but thats the thing, He didn't lay the smackdown on him it was the total opposite.

Supes was toying with him and Batman couldn't even touch him. But he just said a couple things that made Superman stop fighting.

He called him Clark and reminded him that he doesn't kill

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Why, then, does Batman stick his god-powered super suit on top of the wardrobe, one he's finished with it?
Why does he what the what now?

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Again...NOT to fight against Superman, but to fight alongside him and WW against powerful enemies for which he may still need extra protection for his part.
I think this will be the most logical reason. cause if he fights against Supes, no armor can resist Supes attacks. But if he decides to fight alongside Supes and Wondy against a powerful enemie I'll say yes.

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But that's not what you said. You said "Batman in armor defeats the purpose of Batman" which is nonsense. If you're going to argue something at least try and stay consistent about it. Constantly moving the goalposts doesn't help matters. And if you want to diddle around about with how awesome you think Superman is then go right ahead, but his relevance to what I was talking about is zero.
When I said armor the "invincible" kind is what I meant, usually people think of some "invincible" type armor when they think of armor for Batman and that's not the same as what I'd want Batman in. I was consistent, you just needed clarification.

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I don't get the complaints about Batman having an armored/powered suit. How would that somehow make him less human or vulnerable as a character?

To regular people, sure, he'd be less vulnerable. To superpowered gods/creatures? Eh...it would just allow him to play in their league, which is sort of the point.

If anything, it showcases and highlights his humanity even more, and displays his ingenuity, his technical savvy, genius, etc.
THIS!

I only have a few internal rules for the fight.

1) I want Batman to attack first, at night with Kryptonite AND a robosuit.
2) I want Batman to have a longterm plan for dealing with a captured Superman (a red-sun chamber maybe?)
3) I want the fight to be somewhat away from urban areas. A junkyard would be neat. That would allow for things to get smashed and showcase neat disaster effects on a harmless scale. It'd also be a nice little nod to Superman III.
4) I want it to be clear that Superman could have won if he wanted, but is holding back the ENTIRE time. But I ultimately want it to be a stalemate.

Neither "win." They just stop fighting for some reason.

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I was consistent, you just needed clarification.
No, I knew precisely what I was talking about.

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Why, then, does Batman stick his god-powered super suit on top of the wardrobe, one he's finished with it?
This is basically the problem I have when Batman interacts/"fights" Superman or some other ridiculously powered superbeing. They usually end up having to put him into an Iron Man type suit that makes him able to fight against a person like that...which then begs the question...why the hell isn't he in it all the time?

The other option is that the writers come up with ridiculous "Batgod" plans (that are usually a joke anyway) to make Batman able to compete with these beings.

Which is why, frankly, I've never been a fan of Batman being in the JLA world to begin with. My favorite Batman has always been the one that sticks to Gotham and his own world. But this movie isn't doing that. It is, most likely, at some point, going to feature a fight between Supes and Bats...and to make that fight even marginally believable, they're going to have to put Batman in some kind of suped up suit...and then we're back to the same old question "Why doesn't he use it all the time?"

Unfortunately, it's kind of an unavoidable problem when you pit Batman against someone like Superman.

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No, I knew precisely what I was talking about.

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You didn't know what I was talking about.

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The Red Son scenario was still the best and most believable way for Batman to take on Superman. Every time you put him into armor, there are so many other additional factors needed. Superman needs to be dumbed down, weakened in advance, employ the help of Kryptonite, and hope that he holds back the entire time he fights you. Then, and only then, does Batman in armor have a glimmer of a chance to take him down.

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Why, then, does Batman stick his god-powered super suit on top of the wardrobe, one he's finished with it?
Because..layers.

Also, I think it'd be a neat parallelism of Zod's suit coming off. Having Bruce shed that battle-damaged outfit and be even MORE intimidating would be a nice call-back to the MOS final fight.

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Which is why, frankly, I've never been a fan of Batman being in the JLA world to begin with.
Justice League: The New Frontier handled that perfectly. Batman is the master planner while everyone else gets knocked around. He'll get in the fight if he has to but he's aware of his mortality. No need for an Iron Man suit.

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I've always got this strange feeling about Batman when he's in the JLA, mostly with Dc animated features..I look at him and he doesn't look to me right..No matter how much screentime he has, he does not seem to be the Batman I'm used to..Maybe because he has to interact and coexist with other heroes, and he's often described as an *******

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This is basically the problem I have when Batman interacts/"fights" Superman or some other ridiculously powered superbeing. They usually end up having to put him into an Iron Man type suit that makes him able to fight against a person like that...which then begs the question...why the hell isn't he in it all the time?
Because ordinary circumstances do not necessitate such a response. When you're dealing with Superman, however, you take out the fine china.

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