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Old 02-11-2014, 06:01 PM   #51
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Liam Neeson is how old and he's still kicking everyone's ass.

Hell Chuck Norris is 73. 73!!!

This is him from Expendables 2



He looks like he could kick every member of this site's ass at once and not break a sweat.
Chuck Norris stopped fighting competitively in his thirties.

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Old 02-11-2014, 06:04 PM   #52
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Not if he had been studying from 10 ish ..
Yes even if he started at that age.

Batman is portrayed in the comics as basically having a PHD level education in Chemistry, Engineering, Medicine, Criminology, Psychiatry, Philosophy and Physics.

Then there's the dozen martial arts he's trained in to become the master of.

Not to mention being a professional driver, pilot (qualified in helicopters and jets), acrobat and escape artist

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Old 02-11-2014, 06:09 PM   #53
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Still Superman and Wonder Woman are supernatural characters their inclusion in the world shouldn't fundamentally alter the basic realities of the human body.

The flip side is that Batman is already completely unbelievable in his basic concept I suppose.

No human being could possibly learn and master so many disciplines, talents and skills by their thirties. If anything for Batman to be as mentally and physically skilled as he is in the comics he'd have to train and study every day until he was about 60.
Exactly, his abilities have always been exaggerated. So, I don't see the different between exaggerating the abilities of someone in their 30's and exaggerating the abilities of someone in their 40's.

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Old 02-11-2014, 06:37 PM   #54
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Replace Johns with Bruce Timm and now we're cooking.

Actually wait. Don't do that. The DC animated movies will suffer.
I'd rather have Dini than Timm


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Old 02-11-2014, 06:46 PM   #55
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Dini, Timm, and Burnett all deserve to have a say

Everything they touch turns to gold

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Old 02-11-2014, 06:52 PM   #56
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I'm OK with this. I'd also love Bruce Timm to be involved somehow. And for the Batman movies, it'd be great to see Scott Snyder as some sort of consultant. Probably not happening though.

And oh the topic of an older Batman - Bats has to be at the top of his game in order to match Superman. A more seasoned Batman would work better within this context than someone who has only spent five years or so at the job. Just my opinion though.

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Old 02-11-2014, 07:49 PM   #57
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Mid 30's is the best Batman IMO.

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Old 02-12-2014, 12:04 AM   #58
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This idea has "meh" written all over it.
Even if you don't like any of those 3 guys, I think everyone would admit that having ANY plan is better than no plan at all. Which is how they were doing it. They were making it up one movie at a time. This is why Marvel has been able to churn out a bunch of good movies; they had a solid plan before any of them came out. More than anything, DC needs to have a plan like Marvel has a plan. It needn't be the same sort of plan, but they need a plan of some kind. You can't make a large franchise one movie at a time the way DC has been trying to.

I don't have a problem with Johns, Goyer, or Snyder being involved here. I'm OK with the things Johns has done to comics characters, Goyer's had plenty of success while working with other talented folks, and Snyder has proven himself capable of delivering an adaptation that pleases [at least a small] majority of people.

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Old 02-12-2014, 12:21 AM   #59
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Even if you don't like any of those 3 guys, I think everyone would admit that having ANY plan is better than no plan at all. Which is how they were doing it. They were making it up one movie at a time. This is why Marvel has been able to churn out a bunch of good movies; they had a solid plan before any of them came out.
I'm for the method which yields better movies.

As it stands, I'm not sure either are really excelling at that. Marvel is producing more, sure, but more often than not they come off as average and even subpar. Creative talents are constantly in shift because of their rapid scheduling, and I think their assembly line direction is reflected with each of their movies.

DC is admittedly a bit worse, in both time and production quality, but I do think they have a potentially better setup as their creative core are actual filmmakers, as opposed to a great businessman who happens to be a fanboy (Feige). In the long run I think this will pay off for DC.

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Old 02-12-2014, 12:30 AM   #60
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In a movie that has aliens and a vigilante that has avoided capture for years and possibly a magic island of the amazons, do you really think Snyder will deem it too silly to have an older batman still be at that pinnacle?
I kind of agree here, especially since I'm a believer that all things are possible. There's a 70+ year old doctor in better shape than most people my age so I think that somewhat shuns the idea that you can't be older & still maintain a great physique.

It's definitely not within the realm of possibility for Batman to be in great shape at 50, especially if he's fighting smart.

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Old 02-12-2014, 05:37 AM   #61
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Ok let's explain:

Wonder Woman is horribly written
Justice League needing Superman to win
Batman taking off the Bat symbol off his chest? (Superman does that Johns, not Batman)
Batman telling Hal he's Bruce Wayne
Superman's a dick
Flash doesn't do all that much.
Only reason Flash is involved is because Hal called him.
Darkseid is one noted.
Darkseid, biggest villain in the DC universe, gets beaten by a noob level Justice League.
Batman saves Superman.
Aquaman really comes out of no where. I mean he just comes out of the water. No build up or anything. It's like if Black Panther all the sudden was in the Avengers movie. Or Daredevil decided to join the fight in Avengers.
Darkseid is too tall.
Superman/Wonder Woman flirting.
Cyborg in it and not Martian Manhunter.

I think that's it but with me, I always leave stuff out.
Replacing MM with Cyborg is hardly an automatic minus one.

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Old 02-12-2014, 05:39 AM   #62
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Do people stop being badass if they're over 40?

A batman in his 40's isn't a crippled old man.
A lot of posters here are teenagers. 40 is old to them. They think peak age is 25.

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Old 02-12-2014, 05:40 AM   #63
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They don't stop being a badass, but they do stop being at the top of their game physically.

How many 45 year old MMA fighters or Boxers do you see fighting at top levels?

A Batman who's approaching 50 just can't be the pinnacle of human physicality.
Hopefully Batman won't be an MMA fighter, he'll be using gadgets and psychology as well.

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Old 02-12-2014, 05:46 AM   #64
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Batman will not be the muscle or the speed of the team. He's the strategist. He's the leader. He has all sorts of other things he brings to the table. From being the greatest detective to being a scientific genius. From designing cutting edge tech to breaking into and out of secure systems.
The answer to every problem isn't a blunt weapon.

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Replace all 3 with Paul Dini, Mark Waid, and Grant Morrison, and then we're cooking.

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Old 02-12-2014, 06:16 AM   #66
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Mapping something out and WB actually doing it are two separate things.

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Old 02-12-2014, 06:19 AM   #67
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Mapping something out and WB actually doing it are two separate things.
You've stated your skepticism and justification thereof with respect to WB building a DCCU empire several times. It's a good case, but some of us remain unconvinced and will thus continue to interpret the evidence differently. My expectation is that WB wants to move towards one blockbuster a year, along with one sub-blockbuster, as well as multiple TV series.

It should be much clearer within two years I think.

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Replace all 3 with Paul Dini, Mark Waid, and Grant Morrison, and then we're cooking.
No were not.

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Old 02-12-2014, 06:24 AM   #69
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WB always has at least one blockbuster a year.

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WB always has at least one blockbuster a year.
I think they have many more !!! but I meant specifically DC.

Thus far it's been:

2016: Man of Steel 2: Post-Collun Alliteration Concerning Darkness
2013: Man of Steel
2012: The Dark Knight Rises
2011: Green Lantern
2008: The Dark Knight
2005: Batman Begins

That's an average of one movie every two years spread over three different universes, I expect them to double that and to do so within integrated narratives.

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No were not.

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Wow whoever that guy is I couldn't disagree with him more. Comparing artistic painting to house painting which is a trade is the dumbest comparison I've ever heard and invalidates his argument because comics and film are both artistic mediums. And we're talking about 'mapping out the DCU', not direction. When it comes to who understands these characters the most it's Dini, Waid, and Morrison.

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For the most part, I'm very indifferent to Dini, I like most things Waid has done EXCEPT Birthright and Grant? Half of what he does in a story with iconic characters is 100% spot on, but then the rest is bat guano crazy, off putting or incomprehensible. So that should tell you were my thoughts lay.

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Wow whoever that guy is I couldn't disagree with him more. Comparing artistic painting to house painting which is a trade is the dumbest comparison I've ever heard and invalidates his argument because comics and film are both artistic mediums. And we're talking about 'mapping out the DCU', not direction. When it comes to who understands these characters the most it's Dini, Waid, and Morrison.
The point was that just because they know what works in a comic book doesn't mean they know what works on the big screen.

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Dini wrote a very good episode of the justice league cartoon where martian manhunter spends christmas at the kent home. It was one of the rare good episodes in an otherwise awful series, so for that I give Dini credit.

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I think they have many more !!! but I meant specifically DC.

Thus far it's been:

2016: Man of Steel 2: Post-Collun Alliteration Concerning Darkness
2013: Man of Steel
2012: The Dark Knight Rises
2011: Green Lantern
2008: The Dark Knight
2005: Batman Begins

That's an average of one movie every two years spread over three different universes, I expect them to double that and to do so within integrated narratives.
They won't do that because they don't have the resources for it. One movie every 2-3 years maximum. Maybe consecutive years if they film back to back every so often.

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