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Old 05-19-2014, 08:58 PM   #101
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When he gets a character, he does great work. But it is silly of him or DC to think that this man can get any character.
Who is a writer for DC Comics that has proven to understand every character?

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Old 05-19-2014, 09:14 PM   #102
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Who is a writer for DC Comics that has proven to understand every character?
None. But nobody has ever had the power Johns now has.

Look at WW in the new52. Johns wanted to update her and her supporting cast. What does he do? He disregards most of what is going on in her own book, he writes her a completely different character, and they even draw her differently (bustier and bracelets). Her supporting cast? They are part of DC's version of SHIELD, Argus, so they arent available to her. She also splits up with Trevor when we barely saw them together for two panels (and Trevor hasnt been around for decades so you bring him back only to show him for a couple of panels with WW and then he's Nick Fury?) so they can do the Superman relationship gimmick. Which hasnt amounted to much storywise, and which prohibited Azzarello (you know, the writer who writes her book) from getting her together with Orion.

And what is Johns' WW? Some warrior chick who likes to slice and dice. Basically his entire JL is a bunch of cardboard cutouts so no suprise there.

Ah... sorry for the rant.

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None. But nobody has ever had the power Johns now has.

Look at WW in the new52. Johns wanted to update her and her supporting cast. What does he do? He disregards most of what is going on in her own book, he writes her a completely different character, and they even draw her differently (bustier and bracelets). Her supporting cast? They are part of DC's version of SHIELD, Argus, so they arent available to her. She also splits up with Trevor when we barely saw them together for two panels (and Trevor hasnt been around for decades so you bring him back only to show him for a couple of panels with WW and then he's Nick Fury?) so they can do the Superman relationship gimmick. Which hasnt amounted to much storywise, and which prohibited Azzarello (you know, the writer who writes her book) from getting her together with Orion.

And what is Johns' WW? Some warrior chick who likes to slice and dice. Basically his entire JL is a bunch of cardboard cutouts so no suprise there.

Ah... sorry for the rant.
I've liked the new WW and her mythos so far, personally.

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Old 05-19-2014, 11:26 PM   #104
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Paul Dini. Wrote Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman books with Alex Ross. Wrote the Batman Arkham games and was a main writer for the DCAU. He has an upcoming Zatanna & Black Canary graphic novel coming out.

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Old 05-20-2014, 01:46 AM   #105
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To buck the trend, I have no problem with this.

Goyer.....I think Nolan was a good influence on him during the
Dark Knight films. Really, Blade Trinity was a Goyer written-directed film,
it was so bad, it was good (and hillarious).

Snyder: actually thought he got the visuals for MOS absolutely perfect
both on Krypton and on Earth, so I'm not worried. And the man can do
action - in fact he was willing to drop his usual slo-mo tricks for MOS,
so I have a lot of faith in Snyder.

Johns - Has a real affinity for DC characters, Personally I really enjoyed
JL Origins, and GL rebirth, and Superman: Secret Origin. Some of his
stuff I didn't enjoy so much, but he does far more good than bad stuff.

So all in all, I think they have as good a shot as anyone else of getting it
right, which is what we all care about.

Just IMO.

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Old 05-20-2014, 05:02 AM   #106
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Johns by his own admission doesnt get Batman and Wonder Woman.
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Old 05-20-2014, 05:52 AM   #107
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Paul Dini. Wrote Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman books with Alex Ross. Wrote the Batman Arkham games and was a main writer for the DCAU. He has an upcoming Zatanna & Black Canary graphic novel coming out.
Didn't people complain about Superman being dumbed down to make Batman look better in JL and JLU???

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Old 05-20-2014, 05:56 AM   #108
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Didn't Johns write "Batman: Earth One" ? which is some damn
fine Batman if you ask me.

Wonder Woman....well, really, who gets Wonder Woman, or at least
well enough to make her work on the big screen. That's why I think
Gadot is such a risk, if they had a better actress in the role, I'd be
more convinced. Hell, even Judy Dench could be a better WW.

Anyway, who knows. I just think that Snyder has done enough in the
CBM genre ( 300, Watchmen, and Man of Steel ) to pull it off, provided
the script is good.

Goyer, I'm a bit nervous about, but I have a lot of confidence in Johns.

Let's hope I'm not horribly wrong, (in which case I'll apologize to
all the doubters).

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End of the world.

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Didn't people complain about Superman being dumbed down to make Batman look better in JL and JLU???
This has been a problem since Miller The Dark Knight Returns.

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It's also a stupid complaint, because Superman wasn't a moron in The Dark Knight Returns. It was a dystopian future where Superman was the only hero who hadn't given up, he had to do things he didn't like in order to save peoples lives. That is very Superman.

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In a dystopian future that's a valid rationalization.

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Old 05-20-2014, 11:36 AM   #113
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Didn't people complain about Superman being dumbed down to make Batman look better in JL and JLU???
Honestly I don't remember all too much about Superman and Batman's portrayal. Do remember the scene where both are in the Batmoblie and Superman has a cup of coffee in his hand.

He wrote the book Superman Peace on Earth which was great and if you're interested in reading it, I highly suggest it.

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Old 05-20-2014, 11:39 AM   #114
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It's also a stupid complaint, because Superman wasn't a moron in The Dark Knight Returns. It was a dystopian future where Superman was the only hero who hadn't given up, he had to do things he didn't like in order to save peoples lives. That is very Superman.
Yea i laugh and then scratch my head when i hear that complaint.

I mean, Miller also made Batman a borderline fascist psychopath.

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Old 05-20-2014, 11:46 AM   #115
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I never got the complaints against Miller's Superman.

Maybe it's the way I'm seeing it but the way I see it is Superman will do good no matter what and wants to help the world. I didn't mind the government asking him like to take out nukes because I feel even Superman would want to make sure no one is hurt.

The only thing I don't get is why he fought Batman. It didn't seem like a good reason but the fight was good and IMO is the only time Batman could beat Superman.

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So, Goyer on a podcast, called She-Hulk a "Green Porn Star". And this is the guy WB wants to create the DC Cinematic Universe? Thank god they booted him for Chris Terrio. He must be pissed because Terrio re-wrote the BvS script.

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Link to it? Also I don't care about She-Hulk so yea.

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She Hulk likes to ****. But there is more to her than that. Dan Slott's Sensational She Hulk was a great comic.

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http://www.themarysue.com/david-goye...k-sex-fantasy/ He also called Martian Manhunter "silly", and insulted geeks.

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I'm fine with these three being the architects.. I'd add Bruce Timm and Paul Dini to that list

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He called Martian Manhunter silly? **** this douche.

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He also called Martian Manhunter "silly"


As if his crappy scripts and poor work on MOS weren't enough, now this? Well I only disliked him before but now I hate him. He was by far the biggest weak link on MOS and no doubt is in BvsS and JL - if he's even involved still. Hope he stays faaaar away.

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So, Goyer on a podcast, called She-Hulk a "Green Porn Star". And this is the guy WB wants to create the DC Cinematic Universe? Thank god they booted him for Chris Terrio. He must be pissed because Terrio re-wrote the BvS script.
He was not fired. That's not how screenwriting works.

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I bet Ben threw up in his mouth a bit after reading Goyer's final draft on BvsS. A lot of people forget/don't realize Ben is an academy award winning screenwriter himself and is leagues above Goyer when it comes to writting.

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Which is why Affleck brought in Terrio. Goyer's script must've been pretty abysmal.

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