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Old 03-31-2014, 08:24 PM   #651
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Seeing as how they continually change and alter the meaning of her powers in the comics I would say it's hard to explain.
And how many characters HAVEN'T had their powers changed or altered in some ways over the years?

I've explained it in these threads several times in just a couple sentences. And it wouldn't be hard to show on screen either. Want an even easier way to explain it? Just say she's able to make things happen that shouldn't happen easily. An arrow is shot at her? She hits it with whatever they do for a hex bolt or whatever they decide to call her power, and it drops to the ground. Done. In the pictures where she's looking up and aiming at something, lets say a bunch of rocks or debris are falling toward her? She blasts her power at them and they turn to dust and float away. Done. People are over thinking her powers and that's the only problem here.

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That sounds like it'd look really lame and underwhelming onscreen. She made something fall down with her powers, how riveting. She's more interesting with magical powers.

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I hope Cap doesn't.... it wouldn't feel right.
Why? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm genuinely curious as to why you think that?

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Why? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm genuinely curious as to why you think that?
he's just not that forward of a guy. remember the fondue conversation?

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I agree also it would take away the sweet CA/Peggy scenes which is so sweet/funny

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And how many characters HAVEN'T had their powers changed or altered in some ways over the years?
Generalization and a lazy one at that. Most Marvel characters have not had their powers completely retconned into something different than they were. Iron Man still uses a suit of armor, Cap is still an enhanced strong guy, Thor is still Thor, Hulk is still a big green guy, Hank Pym still uses Pym Particles to change his size, Quicksilver is still super fast, Cyclops still shoots lasers out of his eyes, Wolverine still has metal claws and a healing factor, Professor X sill has psychic powers, Magneto still bends stuff, Jean Grey remain a telepath, so on and so forth. Wanda is one of if not the only one to completely have their powers retconned, reimagine, or changed every couple years. First it was vague hex powers, then it turned out she was cursed by Chthon as a child and had real witch powers, then it turned into probability and reality warping, and it just keeps getting stupider with no parameters to it.

So yes, her powers are pretty difficult to explain, considering there is no ground rules to her powers at all in the comics. You can't have that kind of uber powerful character in the movie especially when just what exactly she does is vague and amounts to "**** happens".

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I've explained it in these threads several times in just a couple sentences. And it wouldn't be hard to show on screen either. Want an even easier way to explain it? Just say she's able to make things happen that shouldn't happen easily. An arrow is shot at her? She hits it with whatever they do for a hex bolt or whatever they decide to call her power, and it drops to the ground. Done. In the pictures where she's looking up and aiming at something, lets say a bunch of rocks or debris are falling toward her? She blasts her power at them and they turn to dust and float away. Done. People are over thinking her powers and that's the only problem here.
Sounds lame. I like what they're doing in the movie better where she can levitate things and read minds. There's no Jean Grey in this universe so it doesn't matter. More interesting than zapping things with hex bolts like her original powers in the comics...which they changed for a reason.

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That sounds like it'd look really lame and underwhelming onscreen. She made something fall down with her powers, how riveting. She's more interesting with magical powers.
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Wanda should have magic powers. If not, it is a waste of time calling her Scarlet Witch.

I believe Wanda has two power sets. The first his her mutant hex power, a probabilty warp. The second is the supernatural nature given to her by Chthon which allows her to cast magic spells.

Probablity manipulation and chaos magic. Those are her powers.

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I think we forget that Joss is no stranger to witchcraft

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Wanda should have magic powers. If not, it is a waste of time calling her Scarlet Witch.

I believe Wanda has two power sets. The first his her mutant hex power, a probabilty warp. The second is the supernatural nature given to her by Chthon which allows her to cast magic spells.
Isnt Chthon aka The Other? Who gave the scepter to Loki which
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There's been no confirmation on that I don't think

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Generalization and a lazy one at that. Most Marvel characters have not had their powers completely retconned into something different than they were. Iron Man still uses a suit of armor, Cap is still an enhanced strong guy, Thor is still Thor, Hulk is still a big green guy, Hank Pym still uses Pym Particles to change his size, Quicksilver is still super fast, Cyclops still shoots lasers out of his eyes, Wolverine still has metal claws and a healing factor, Professor X sill has psychic powers, Magneto still bends stuff, Jean Grey remain a telepath, so on and so forth. Wanda is one of if not the only one to completely have their powers retconned, reimagine, or changed every couple years. First it was vague hex powers, then it turned out she was cursed by Chthon as a child and had real witch powers, then it turned into probability and reality warping, and it just keeps getting stupider with no parameters to it.

So yes, her powers are pretty difficult to explain, considering there is no ground rules to her powers at all in the comics. You can't have that kind of uber powerful character in the movie especially when just what exactly she does is vague and amounts to "**** happens".


Sounds lame. I like what they're doing in the movie better where she can levitate things and read minds. There's no Jean Grey in this universe so it doesn't matter. More interesting than zapping things with hex bolts like her original powers in the comics...which they changed for a reason.


This.
wait.....she can read minds, too??!!

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Wanda should have magic powers. If not, it is a waste of time calling her Scarlet Witch.

I believe Wanda has two power sets. The first his her mutant hex power, a probabilty warp. The second is the supernatural nature given to her by Chthon which allows her to cast magic spells.

Probablity manipulation and chaos magic. Those are her powers.
why not just make it one and the same.

she has "psychic" powers that let her alter reality on the quantum physics level. which can manifest in a variety of ways, including telekinesis/levitation and reading minds (?). she can make things explode or crush them, etc.

so it's not "supernatural" magic, but more "science based" magic ( like Thor ).

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wait.....she can read minds, too??!!
Well, according to what I found in the Wiki article for the movie...

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Well, according to what I found in the Wiki article for the movie...


If all that's indeed true.....she's almost like the Marvel cinematic universe version of Raven!!

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Nexus being. so she's cosmic, magic, and gifted. i wonder if they'll ever introduce Man-Thing in the MCU.

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i wouldn't call it a waste. she was the Scarlet Witch a long time before practicing magic.

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And a long time after, too. IIRC, she stopped using magic more or less after the Busiek run, and has been mutant reality warping ever since.

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And a long time after, too. IIRC, she stopped using magic more or less after the Busiek run, and has been mutant reality warping ever since.
she did some kind of spell during Geoff Johns' Red Zone arc. even had Carol Danvers energy blast a big ol' pentagram, for it.

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That sounds like it'd look really lame and underwhelming onscreen. She made something fall down with her powers, how riveting. She's more interesting with magical powers.
Yes, because I said that's ALL she'd do. Give me a break. Her powers lend themselves to a LOT of different uses beyond the simple things like I just listed, and have been done as such throughout the years in the comics. Someone like Whedon can come up with a variety of ways for her to use her powers, not just the simple things. Use your imagination already.

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Or we can just have her do magic. You know, like a witch. It's much more interesting and cooler, quite frankly. And that's the example that YOU used, and if that's the best that you can come up with, then your argument is less than stellar.

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I think we forget that Joss is no stranger to witchcraft
I could totally see Scarlet Witch going Dark Willow in a future movie.

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A mixture of Dark Willow and River Tam.

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I still think that scene was better than anything in The Dark Willow Saga of season 6.

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I still think that scene was better than anything in The Dark Willow Saga of season 6.



But seriously, that scene was pretty ****ing amazing.

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And a long time after, too. IIRC, she stopped using magic more or less after the Busiek run, and has been mutant reality warping ever since.

Wanda was a reality-warping mutant from her inception in the original Lee/Kirby X-Men and Avengers books. The "chaos" magic/Chthon nonsense was layered over her original powers in the 1980s, in an unnecessary addition her already incredible abilities. The Scarlet Witch who could randomly snare passing asteroids with her powers and bring them raining down on her enemies was far more interesting and powerful than the one who wielded nonsensical, inconsistently-defined "chaos magic". And Wanda certainly does not need to have telekinesis and telepathy added in, too, when those have never been her powers.

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