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Old 03-12-2014, 05:14 AM   #251
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How could it possibly be powered by the Tesseract when Thanos didn't have the Tesseract in the first place?

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How could it possibly be powered by the Tesseract when Thanos didn't have the Tesseract in the first place?
It might not have had *any* power until it was in the presence of the Tesseract.

Going on a lot of assumptions here, but it's not that much of a stretch to believe that Thanos could have created a Sceptre that would activate only in the presence of the Tesseract, an Infinity Stone he's probably had a keen interest in for eons.

But yeah, the easiest explanation is that Fury got it wrong.

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How could it possibly be powered by the Tesseract when Thanos didn't have the Tesseract in the first place?
Yea, insomuch as we can "speculate" on the science behind these things... I don't think physical proximity would be required.
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It might not have had *any* power until it was in the presence of the Tesseract.

Going on a lot of assumptions here, but it's not that much of a stretch to believe that Thanos could have created a Sceptre that would activate only in the presence of the Tesseract, an Infinity Stone he's probably had a keen interest in for eons.

But yeah, the easiest explanation is that Fury got it wrong.
I'm thinking Fury made a mistake... but the mistake was that it was a different Infinity Stone that was used to power-up the staff. The Mind Stone and not the Tesseract, which I'm assuming is the Space Stone.

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Yea, insomuch as we can "speculate" on the science behind these things... I don't think physical proximity would be required. I'm thinking Fury made a mistake... but the mistake was that it was a different Infinity Stone that was used to power-up the staff. The Mind Stone and not the Tesseract, which I'm assuming is the Space Stone.
I'm still not willing to go "full Mind Stone" theory on the Sceptre, though. It's just unfathomable that Thanos would glibly give away a freakin' Infinity Stone to anybody.

Of course, he might be playing a game and moving the Stones into place like pawns on a chessboard. I still believe there's evidence of that in the TDW post-credit scene. If you read between the lines on that scene, it's really about Loki bargaining with Thanos, offering Thanos (or at least his underling) the Aether Stone in exchange for the Tesseract Stone.

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Thing is, the Tesseract wasn't NEAR Thanos when he gave the working Staff to Loki and the staff is how Loki got to Earth.
Loki has said to Fury "you have A Tesseract" it means there ARE more than ONE tesseract out there.
Beside the Stones are more than likely transformed into their PRESENT forms to hide them. We all saw the Infinity Guantlet, it had OVAL spots for the Stones and the Tesseract is in cube form while the Staff stone looks more like the real deal

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on another note, Don't forget peeps, NEXT TUESDAY instead of SHIELD there's supposed to be a Marvel Special with Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers age of Ultron sneak peeks

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How could it possibly be powered by the Tesseract when Thanos didn't have the Tesseract in the first place?
read the above. Thanos DIDN'T have the tesseract, that's why he gave the Staff to Loki, to RETREAVE the Tesseract.
and Loki told Fury like I said above "You have A tesseract" meaning there's more than one out there

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I'm still not willing to go "full Mind Stone" theory on the Sceptre, though. It's just unfathomable that Thanos would glibly give away a freakin' Infinity Stone to anybody.

Of course, he might be playing a game and moving the Stones into place like pawns on a chessboard. I still believe there's evidence of that in the TDW post-credit scene. If you read between the lines on that scene, it's really about Loki bargaining with Thanos, offering Thanos (or at least his underling) the Aether Stone in exchange for the Tesseract Stone.
No, I'm not saying the scepter IS the Mind Stone or that it houses the Mind Stone. I'm saying the scepter could be powered by the Mind Stone rather than the Tesseract.

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read the above. Thanos DIDN'T have the tesseract, that's why he gave the Staff to Loki, to RETREAVE the Tesseract.
and Loki told Fury like I said above "You have A tesseract" meaning there's more than one out there
Eh, I think you're putting too much emphasis on Fury's dialog there. If there's more than one Tesseract, then Thanos would've had his pick of places to steal it from. Ignoring that, you still have more people referring to it as "the" Tesseract than "a" Tesseract.

Plus, hasn't Feige already said that it's one of the Infinity Stones? I doubt there are a bunch of copies of it out in space.

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read the above. Thanos DIDN'T have the tesseract, that's why he gave the Staff to Loki, to RETREAVE the Tesseract.
and Loki told Fury like I said above "You have A tesseract" meaning there's more than one out there

When did he say A Tesseract?!!

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Eh, I think you're putting too much emphasis on Fury's dialog there. If there's more than one Tesseract, then Thanos would've had his pick of places to steal it from. Ignoring that, you still have more people referring to it as "the" Tesseract than "a" Tesseract.

Plus, hasn't Feige already said that it's one of the Infinity Stones? I doubt there are a bunch of copies of it out in space.
Just because Thanos knows of ONE Tesseract, doesn't mean he knows others elsewhere in the universe or REALMS the Asgardians only know of. We don't KNOW the piece in the Staff is the WHOLE piece either. It could be what's left of a Tesseract that was misused, say By Thanos, hence the destroyed realm we've seen him in.

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During the conversation between Fury and Loki when Loki was in the Cell on the Hellicarrier

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Cap was the one who said it worked like a Hydra weapon to which Fury said "I don't know about that". Fury knows how Tesseract energy works when weaponized, because SHIELD was working with those Hydra weapons.

I'm willing to accept that the Tesseract is the Space Gem, while the scepter contains the Mind Gem (if MCU is even going to distinguish them with those names), but what of Selvig's line about "you can't protect from yourself" when BW closes the portal using the scepter? Wouldn't that mean it has to be powered by the Tesseract? Unless Infinity Stones are only susceptible to the powers of other Infinity Stones...

Thanos could give out the Mind Gem to Loki. The Other even told him that they'd be able to find him, so at least now Thanos knows where these stones are all at. Rounding them up personally shouldn't be a hard task.

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I can't wait to see what they show us next Tuesday!

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It seems when we get answers to questions we get more questions then answers! anyone agree?

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Well Odin Hid the Tesseract we know of on Earth during the Viking era. I'm just saying just because ONE of them is an Infinity Stone doesn't mean there AREN'T more than one Tesseract, copy or real deal

The Selvig line is another part of that equation. I still Think that what is in the Staff NOW, is what is left of A tesseract Thanos misused and he sits in that destroyed galaxy
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I'm willing to accept that the Tesseract is the Space Gem, while the scepter contains the Mind Gem (if MCU is even going to distinguish them with those names), but what of Selvig's line about "you can't protect from yourself" when BW closes the portal using the scepter? Wouldn't that mean it has to be powered by the Tesseract? Unless Infinity Stones are only susceptible to the powers of other Infinity Stones...

Thanos could give out the Mind Gem to Loki. The Other even told him that they'd be able to find him, so at least now Thanos knows where these stones are all at. Rounding them up personally shouldn't be a hard task.

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Just because Thanos knows of ONE Tesseract, doesn't mean he knows others elsewhere in the universe or REALMS the Asgardians only know of. We don't KNOW the piece in the Staff is the WHOLE piece either. It could be what's left of a Tesseract that was misused, say By Thanos, hence the destroyed realm we've seen him in.
Stark also said, "We have A Hulk." I don't think that's confirmation that we have multiple Hulks running around Manhattan. It's just a style of dialog they chose to use.

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Just bouncing in to ask, do you think the Thanos credit scene at the end of the Avengers was referring to Guardians of the Galaxy or to Avengers 3?

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Just because Thanos knows of ONE Tesseract, doesn't mean he knows others elsewhere in the universe or REALMS the Asgardians only know of. We don't KNOW the piece in the Staff is the WHOLE piece either. It could be what's left of a Tesseract that was misused, say By Thanos, hence the destroyed realm we've seen him in.


During the conversation between Fury and Loki when Loki was in the Cell on the Hellicarrier
i still think you're reading into it far too much buddy. Having more than one tesseract un-necessarily complicated the MCU thus far... there only needs to be one

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Think about it like this: all energy on Earth ultimately comes from the sun. This doesn't mean you have to stick each and every smart phone into the sun to power it.

The Tesseract generates and manipulates "space energy", so anything else that uses "space energy" for its operation would detect as "same kind of stuff".

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No, I'm not saying the scepter IS the Mind Stone or that it houses the Mind Stone. I'm saying the scepter could be powered by the Mind Stone rather than the Tesseract.
So you're saying the Mind Stone is already somewhere here on Earth? If it's powered *by* the Mind Stone, then the Mind Stone must have been nearby for Loki to use it in the Avengers and for it to be used again in the near future. Seems pretty far-fetched, but can you think of anything that hints at the Mind Stone's existence on Earth in the Avengers movies?

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Something to discuss.

What Cap costume has not been adapted in some way from comics to movies?


Although I'm hoping we get material and design of the Shield suit in TWS, only with the classic colors and pattern.

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