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Old 04-04-2014, 12:53 AM   #101
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I don't mind it, Apple products are everywhere these days, it actually sticks out MORE when its obviously a fake or generic product that appears in a movie.
Agreed.
I guarantee you that at any given time nearly 75% of the audience has an apple product in their pocket, and nearly 100% of them have been in an apple store at some point. I had no problem with that, it's a reflection of the real world in a way.

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:48 AM   #102
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I only didn't like two things:

1. No Hawkeye
2. The stereotypical Apple store clerk.

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:50 AM   #103
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Yea no Hawkeye or even a passing mention of him is kind of strange. All it would have taken is an exchange of dialogue between Natasha and Fury.

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:52 AM   #104
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I didn't like the Falcon, at all. Sam Wilson, was good the other character was distracting and should have just stayed on Winter Soldier/Captain America. The action scenes, the fight scenes were so intense, and then this normal guy just shows up with wings taking on an aircraft carrier?

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:54 AM   #105
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He's not really a normal guy though. He a was specially trained Airborne soldier with a prototype wing suit.

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:55 AM   #106
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I don't get the no Hawkeye complaint. If he wasn't needed for the story he wasn't needed for the story.

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Old 04-04-2014, 01:59 AM   #107
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But the idea that a major SHIELD agent has no involvement in this massive event in SHIELD's history is kind of strange to me. If they found a way to write Maria Hill into the story, why not Hawkeye?

It'd not a major issue for me, it's just strange.

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Old 04-04-2014, 02:02 AM   #108
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But the idea that a major SHIELD agent has no involvement in this massive event in SHIELD's history is kind of strange to me. If they found a way to write Maria Hill into the story, why not Hawkeye?

It'd not a major issue for me, it's just strange.
The thing Marvel have slowly learned is that you don't just throw characters into the mix for the sake of it. A character has to be part of the story, the story can't be made to accommodate the character otherwise it's just fan service.

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Old 04-04-2014, 02:05 AM   #109
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I wouldn't say it's fan service. I'm not really a big Hawkeye fan. It's in service of the world building and continuity they've created. Like i said, seems kind of strange there wasn't even an exchange of dialogue mentioning him. Like "can we trust Barton?" or something organic to what was going on.

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Old 04-04-2014, 02:31 AM   #110
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This isn't something I didn't like, because this movie was perfect in every way, but I thought it was funny that the title character has less screen time, less character development and less impact on the story than any of the other 7 or 8 main characters.

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Uh, that's exactly what they did with Maria Hill though. You can't tell me she was relevant to the story in ANY way. Hawkeye however, is VERY relevant to the stories of the major characters, especially Black Widow.

Marvel hasn't "slowly learned" anything of the sort. Cobie Smulders was available, willing and within budget, and Jeremy Renner wasn't. It's that simple lol.

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Old 04-04-2014, 06:39 AM   #111
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Why do people think Batroc was fighting evenly with Cap? To me it was pretty clear Batroc was trying his best and Rogers was comfortable and confident of the win.
I mean, first, Batroc takes three knee shots to the gut from cap and is left standing.....Next, he takes a kick to the head and gets up a bit a woozy.....And finally, after being rammed into a door and gettin' a straight punch, he goes down.....And after a while, he gets ups and runs off....

My general point is that cap's abilities in the MCU are not really clear....And this movie doesn't clear it up.......For instance, how can a guy who has difficulty, at the beggining of the movie, with a simple human (however well trained and conditioned he may be) can, at the end of the same movie, lift a huge metal beam that weighs tons?


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Old 04-04-2014, 06:41 AM   #112
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I think the Fury chase went on a bit too long, and I wish there was more Cap fighting people on the Helicarriers.

I also wanted my dance damnit.

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Old 04-04-2014, 06:44 AM   #113
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I mean, first, Batroc takes three knee shots to the gut from cap and is left standing.....Next, he takes a kick to the head and gets up a bit a woozy.....And finally, after a being rammed into a door and gettin' a staight punch, he goes down.....And after a while, he gets ups and runs off....

My general point is that cap's abilities in the MCU are not really clear....And this movie doesn't clear it up.......For instance, how can a guy who has difficulty, at the beggining of the movie, with a simple human (however well trained and conditioned he may be) can, at the end of the same movie, lift a huge metal beam that weighs tons?
My point is, i don't think Cap had any difficulty with Batroc. There was a swagger and confidence to him when he was fighting Batroc. Especially the last sequence when he took his helmet off. He was like a machine.

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Old 04-04-2014, 06:58 AM   #114
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As I wrote in my review, one of the weak points of the movie was Robert Redford's character. He lacks depth and he is poorly explained, he stops short of being a great villain. He's just some career bureaucrat who somehow became enamoured of Hydra and apparently became a leadership figure within Hydra. When he shoots his housekeeper, there's no shock, as everybody saw that coming.
I think Pierce was the head of SHIELD's Hydra division, his father was an American soldier in the 101 troops, he worked with Nick Fury and then realized America/SHIELD is too much of a wuss, so he went with Hydra.

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I've been putting some thought into it, and perhaps the plot change that would have been needed to make this a masterpiece would have been to remove all references to Hydra. Just have Redford be an American with a different vision of where America should proceed, tell the story from the vantage point of "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" rather than have Hydra as a virus that infects an otherwise innocent host.
But Pierce, Rumlow, Stern, Sitwell, they we're all Americans.

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The movie ends with everything cleaned up. Shield is closed. Hydra is wounded and in retreat. Everybody either finds a new job or gets to keep its old job. The US government is pure again as it locks up some criminals.
I don't know would i say Hydra is in retreat. Baron Von Strucker states that they will occupy Captain America's attention with Hydra/other Hydra Facilities as they focus on their main objective.

Tho i can agree with your US government part.

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I mean, first, Batroc takes three knee shots to the gut from cap and is left standing.....Next, he takes a kick to the head and gets up a bit a woozy.....And finally, after being rammed into a door and gettin' a straight punch, he goes down.....And after a while, he gets ups and runs off....

My general point is that cap's abilities in the MCU are not really clear....And this movie doesn't clear it up.......For instance, how can a guy who has difficulty, at the beggining of the movie, with a simple human (however well trained and conditioned he may be) can, at the end of the same movie, lift a huge metal beam that weighs tons?
Dude ... George st Pierre is a world champion fighter !

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Old 04-04-2014, 07:48 AM   #116
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would this be a better movie if Nick Fury had stayed dead?

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Former world champion. He retired, and recently destroyed his other knee while training.

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Old 04-04-2014, 07:55 AM   #118
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Where was Coulson ?

There was unintentional comical moment when -

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Honestly, I have very few complaints about this movie. My only two (as of first viewing) are nitpicks.

-Thought Modern Cap seeing skinny 1940s Cap on the training ground was a bit cheesy. I'm just not a fan of reusing old footage in general.

-Didn't like how quickly Rumlow and Falcon's fight was. Also thought the Falcon jumping into the helicopter was a bit over the top.

But again, nitpicks. Absolutely loved this film.

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Former world champion. He retired, and recently destroyed his other knee while training.
Cap must have busted the knee.

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Two quibbles I had...

1. The fight scenes were definitely an improvement over most other comic book films and very intense but when it came to the editing it was a mixed bag. Sometimes they got it just right and sometimes the shaky cam and rapid fire editing made things a bit hard to see. Hopefully the Russo's clean that up next time around.

2. The Falcon's flight scenes moved way too fast and were a bit blurry to me at times.

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Coulson was trapped on a plane that was being remotely redirected to the SHIELD Hub, where corrupt elements in SHIELD were waiting to kill his team. What happens after they land is still unknown, but we'll find out Tuesday.

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The HUGE under-development for Bucky's character in general, took what could've been a 10/10 film to a 8/10 for me, Marvel strikes again at under-developing and forgetting it's villains.

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