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Old 04-12-2014, 06:35 AM   #1
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By popular demand, this thread is for the books only the show has it's own Game of Thrones thread under Television. I would still use spoiler tags for the people who haven't finished A Feast for Crows yet.

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So here's a fun theory: Roose Bolton is actually immortal! :b

It fits comedicly with the whole vampire nature the character has always had in the books.

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I thought Roose was afraid of the kinslaying stigma.

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So here's a fun theory: Roose Bolton is actually immortal! :b

It fits comedicly with the whole vampire nature the character has always had in the books.
That would be pretty insane if true. Going back and watching the show and reading the books after finding something like that out would be a whole other experience.

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Have you heard of the "Great Northern Conspiracy"?

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I think it'd be interesting if Manderly's scheme to retrieve Rickon worked out...only the Rickon that returns from Skagos is a puppet for the children of the forest. Trained to rule as one of the Northern Kings of old. It would be interesting to see the North go from the Boltons to someone worse.

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It fits comedicly with the whole vampire nature the character has always had in the books.

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Old 05-25-2014, 04:22 PM   #8
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I just need some re-assuring thoughts: I was watching Game of Thrones with an Unsullied (non reader) fan and he was pondering why didn't Tyrion simple have Jaime as his champion, because there's no "risk almost." Regardomg the Trial by Combat on Storm of Swords/Season 4.

I came to the conclusion both book-wise and tv-wise that Tywin Lannister would had been willing to go thru getting rid of both Jaime and Tyrion and simply raise Tommen Baratheon as his ultimate heir, does that make the most sense?

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Jaime can't be Tyrion's champion because he lost his had and, as a member of the Kingsguard, can only serve as the champion defending the crown. Tywin most definitely would not have wanted Jaime to put his life on the line with Tyrion's. The person he needs to get rid of to groom Tommen is Cersei anyway.

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If Jamie could have only defended the Crown, why did he and Tyrion even have the discussion in the tv show?

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About 150 pages into AFFC. Not as bad as people say, so far. The Cersei chapters are my favourite because you can sense her growing insanity and I get the feeling that by the end of the book she will have ordered most of the small council to be killed because they oppose her, particularly Kevan and Varys. Can't wait to see how it plays out, and to see the scenes so far on the show.

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If Jamie could have only defended the Crown, why did he and Tyrion even have the discussion in the tv show?
A significant portion of the audience can't follow all the names of the characters, even after 4 seasons. There was no point in trying to explain Westerosi trial by combat laws. So they just had Jaime say he's still not good enough to fight.

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Can i get a citation where it says Jaime can't fight for Tyrion's honor during the Trial by Combat?

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About 150 pages into AFFC. Not as bad as people say, so far. The Cersei chapters are my favourite because you can sense her growing insanity and I get the feeling that by the end of the book she will have ordered most of the small council to be killed because they oppose her, particularly Kevan and Varys. Can't wait to see how it plays out, and to see the scenes so far on the show.
The end if AFFC is some of the most satisfying pages in the series.

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What do you guys think about Doran Martell?

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He's an incredible interesting and a clever man, but i bet during the next book:
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I like Doran, I find him to be an incredibly tragic and sad figure given the history of his siblings and his lack of relationship with them, his wife leaving him, and his inability to convey his love for his kids. In some ways he reminds me of Ned, though obviously with a more devious and inverted side to him.

The Sand Snakes should back the **** off and let him do his thing.

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He's an incredible interesting and a clever man, but i bet during the next book:
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He will join forces with Aegon Targaryen, since Daenerys' dragons killed his son
He's far more important than Dany realizes, given
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that Dorne was able to resist fully-grown Targaryen dragons. This is a bit tangential, but I wonder if perhaps a vengeful Sand Snake won't be behind the revelation of UnGregor.

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He's far more important than Dany realizes, given
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that Dorne was able to resist fully-grown Targaryen dragons. This is a bit tangential, but I wonder if perhaps a vengeful Sand Snake won't be behind the revelation of UnGregor.
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The success of their resistance was largely due to the climate, terrain, and Dornish forces not fighting in an open area.


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He's an interesting character, but he's kind of a dick sending his son halfway across the world into a foreign, hostile territory. When he learns about Quentyn's death, I hope he blames only himself.

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Can i get a citation where it says Jaime can't fight for Tyrion's honor during the Trial by Combat?
It's in the books. Precedent would prevent Kingsguard from acting against the Crown's interests, they also specifically cannot harm anyone of the blood royal as established in "The Hedge Knight",
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even in the midst of a trial by combat, in this case it was a Trial of Seven and the Kingsguard acting on Aeron's behalf could not physically attack Baelor Breakspear. It is also established in AFFC/ADWD that in a normal trial of combat with one representative, the blood royal who is accused must be represented by a member of the Kingsguard if not acting as their own champion
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In any case, Jaime would a particularly bad champion regardless due to the lost hand. The show itself does not delve into the particulars of the backstory and just uses this as the main reason.

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I'm hoping that, as winter falls on Westeros,
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What did you think about Benerro
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I think real magic Victarion, these books seem to be all about magic coming back it makes sense those guys would have some of the first access to it matched with that language and it's people have very large power.

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So I finished A Feast For Crows... Dull. Not sure if we're supposed to put things in spoiler tags or not, but I'll do it anyway.

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Most of the book was just filler. The Brienne and Sansa chapters were the worst, with often twenty pages of walking and talking and nothing. The Cersei chapters were interesting to read because of her stupidity and paranoia, but even King's Landing felt boring with a mostly new cast of characters who weren't particularly interesting, and no Tyrion/Tywin/Joffrey/Sansa/Jaime. Really, what happened in the book?

-Loras dies
-Brienne and Podrick die
-Jaime gets sent to Riverrun to get things under control
-Cersei gets imprisoned
-Margaery gets imprisoned
-Arya goes to Braavos and becomes blind
-Maester Aemon dies
-Victarion agrees to go to Slaver's Bay to find Daenerys
-Euron Greyjoy becomes King of the Iron Islands
-Arianne tries to crown Myrcella but fails

And that's all I can think of. The Dorne chapters were interesting but looking back on it not a lot happens. Compare it to ASOS...

-Brienne tries to deliver Jaime to King's Landing but are captured and Jaime's hand is cut off
-Barristan Selmy joins up with Daenerys
-Daenerys acquires her Unsullied army
-Robb marries Jeyne Westerling and breaks his oath to the Freys
-Tywin becomes Hand of the King
-Tyrion becomes Master of Coin
-Margaery is betrothed to Joffrey and Loras becomes a member of the Kingsguard
-The Tyrells plot to marry Sansa to Willas but the Lannisters interfere and marry her to Tyrion
-Daenerys goes to Yunkai and frees all the slaves
-Hoster Tully dies
-Edmure is betrothed to a Frey so Robb and his armies travel to the Twins for the wedding and to make his apology
-The Red Wedding...
-Arya escapes Harrenhal and hooks up with the Brotherhood Without Banners
-The BWB capture the Hound and put him on trial, and he escapes + captures Arya
-Jon becomes a part of the Wildling army and has sex with Ygritte

And that's only the first half. I could go on but I think you all get the point. IMO, George should have just split the book as he'd originally planned, so that AFFC would still have Dany/Tyrion/Jon chapters and the book would actually advance the story.

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AFFC isn't comparatively dull because nothing happens; quite a lot happens - we just don't get as many shocking moments, like the RW and Ned's beheading, as the previous books. And I don't think combining AFFC and ADWD would have done much for the narrative. When you get through book 5, you'll see that Dany and Tyrion are distanced from the plots in AFFC, and the timing wouldn't have worked for Jon.

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The fact that not a lot happens and the uninteresting writing does make it dull. Like I said in my previous post, there would be chapters where 20 pages goes by of just walking and describing the scenery with some occasional pointless conversation. I think some of the ADWD chapters could have been included in AFFC, for example Reek and Davos, maybe even Tyrion, just to spice it up a bit and move the plot forward.

Nearly 300 pages into ADWD and it's a lot better than the previous book. Tyrion has just worked out that (spoilers) Young Griff is Aegon and Griff is Jon Connington.. Too bad I knew it already but still a huge twist

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