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Old 04-17-2014, 11:15 PM   #276
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Why would it would better for the story? One would think the burden falls on Superman if the plot point is that he has to prove to the world that he's harmless and trustworthy.
Im calling it right now, final fight between them will be something along the lines of Superman surrendering to Bats but obviously being physically superior still. Batman will be giving it his all but Superman will just be taking it in stride because he knows that Batman will win morally if he goes on a rampage. Batman will accept it and realize that Superman is not a threat against humanity but rather a threat against those who seek to harm it.

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This is supposed to be somewhat inspired by The Dark Knight Returns right?
In The Dark Knight Returns, Superman is the president's pawn, and the president asks Superman to take down Batman. Maybe in this film, Wonder Woman (filling Superman's role in TDKR) could be manipulated by Lex Luthor (filling the President's role )and set loose against Batman and Superman.

I'd love to see Nightwing in a role similar to Oliver Queen's in The Dark Knight Returns

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I honestly think Snyder does not give a **** about people's love for characters, if he thinks Batman should lose against Superman, then he will do so. I want them to do that just to shut the "OMFG BATMAN ALWAYS WINS BECAUSE PREPARATION" casuals up.
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Sorry to interrupt the fight arguments but was there a message a few pages back about looking out for something this weekend or was that another thread?

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Here's how I wrote it happening, just for fun. The situation is not that Superman is a threat, but that his presence is a threat (Luthor is using alien tech to make it appear that Superman is drawing threats to earth, just as he drew Zod to earth).

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The denizens of Gotham's dirty streets look up in surprise as Superman descends. He's a bright contrast with the drab buildings and the misty rain. His eyes scan the buildings, searching. He touches down on the ground. He turns.

There stands Batman, his cape draped over his shoulders, hiding his armor underneath.

BATMAN: I told you to leave Gotham.

SUPERMAN: I'm staying here until I figure out what exactly is going on. Those things - - I don't think they are kryptonian.

BATMAN: Those things killed four of Gotham's citizens when they landed on the freeway looking for you. Your presence here is a threat. Your power is unwanted and unneeded. And if you won't leave, I'll make you.

Superman looks unconvinced.

SUPERMAN: My presence is a threat? What about you? Have you made Gotham a better, a safer place? Or are all those freaks you fight attracted here by your presence?

Batman doesn't answer. Perhaps he doesn't know what to say. He looks beyond Superman, to an old run down movie theatre. Beside it, a dark alleyway.

BATMAN: Darkness isn't alien to Gotham. It was born here.

He draws back his cape, removes an armored plate from his chestpiece, revealing a glowing green piece of kyrptonite embedded in his armor.

Superman staggers back. He feels different. Doesn't understand.

BATMAN: This is a piece of your home. I'm going to use it to keep you out of mine.

Superman makes a desperate charge. The fight is on. But Superman's strength is draining. Batman scores some hits. Supes bleeds.

BATMAN: That's what it feels like to be human.

Superman grabs the metal plate and covers the kryptonite, driving Batman back against the wall. Batman struggles, unable to get free. Superman's strength is returning. Batman presses a few buttons on his belt.

The BATMOBILE roars around a corner and drives straight for them, firing a grappling hook that wraps around Superman. It drags him away, down the street.

Batman recovers, follows.

Superman recovers, sets his feet in the ground. The Batmobile's tires spin. The cable snaps. The car fires a few missiles at Supes, which explode, knocking him backwards. But he rises unharmed.

Then Batman is on him, on his back, arms around his throat. The kryptonite is close. With his last bit of strength Superman takes off, flies away, Batman still on him - - then he loses control, begins spiraling down towards a rooftop. Batman is forced to let go. He uses his cape to glide to safety.

Superman impacts on the roof, falling through several floors. His strength is drained. He needs sunlight. He needs energy. He staggers out a door into an alleyway. Falls to his knees.

There, in the alley, in the rain, are two red roses.

Batman drops from above. Knocks Superman down. Has his hands on his throat.

BATMAN: You're done. Never come back to Gotham. Come back and I'll finish what we started, I swear to you. I want you to remember, Clark. I want to remember the man who beat you. I want you to remember you're not all powerful. I want you to remember - -

Suddenly Superman has his hands on Batman's throat. He lifts Batman off his body, staggers to his feet, eyes filled with defiance. Batman punches him. Supes staggers back, crushing the roses under his feet. Supes opens his mouth as if to speak, but is unable to.

Batman attacks. The result is a fist-fight down crime alley. Batman scores more hits, but Superman's hits, weakened as they are, do more damage. Both are beaten, bloody. With a flying kick, Batman knocks Superman out into the street.

Then Superman unleashes his heat vision - - focused, not full power, but enough to leave Batman's chestplate red hot. Batman staggers back down the alleyway. Retreats.

The exertion was too much. Superman falls unconscious.

Batman removes his chestplate. Has the kryptonite in his hand. He gets to the Batmobile, gets in. Quickly re-suits with a spare suit of armor. Drives the Batmobile around to where Superman fell.

Superman is gone.

Suddenly the Batmobile is being lifted into the air, far into the skies above Gotham. Batman ejects. Glides.

Superman drops the Batmobile down into the Gotham Harbor far below. Batman glides into him, Kryptonite in his fist, beating him. Superman falls, but punches through Batman's glider-cape.

SUPERMAN: I fall, you fall.

Batman doesn't respond. They are continuing to fall. Together.

SUPERMAN: I can save us both. I can save everyone. You have to trust me.

Falling. The wind is too loud for Batman to speak. Superman is weakening, losing consciousness.

Batman throws the kryptonite away. Superman flies them to safety just before impact. Lands at a dockyard. Batman is breathing heavily.

Superman looks through some buildings.

SUPERMAN: The glowing rock is about two hundred yards that way, next to a trash heap.

For the first time, Batman registers real surprise.

SUPERMAN: Maybe you're right about me. Maybe I am a threat. [beat] You're concerned about my power. Sometimes I'm completely afraid of it. Sometimes there's nothing I want more than to be - human. [he wipes the blood from his chin] My father died in front of me. I could have saved him. But I didn't. Because he didn't think I should reveal what I could do - - I because I trusted him. Trust has costs. I've never felt more human than I did in that moment.

Batman says nothing.

SUPERMAN: I'm willing to trust you. Even though I'm pretty sure you are completely crazy.

BATMAN: Just get out of Gotham.

Superman nods, disappointed. He flies away.

Batman stares after him, drenched by rain, deep in thought.
I hope we get all of that because that is PERFECT.

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Sorry to interrupt the fight arguments but was there a message a few pages back about looking out for something this weekend or was that another thread?
There some sort of comic con this weekend and Jett from BOF.com seems to think something will happen. Im not getting my hopes up.

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...have you seen TDKR
I did, but it did nothing to quell the opinion that "Batman can take on Superman."

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Old 04-17-2014, 11:41 PM   #283
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Just watched Superman Batman: Apocalypse, HOPEFULLY they could show the bat cape sway ala batman (coz he is!) when he's running (something that is shown in the animated movie when he's running during the battle with many doomsday clones sorry can't find a gif), something the Dark Knight Trilogy lacks IMO. I mean just carry something more from the source itself.

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I hope we get all of that because that is PERFECT.
Thanks! Though looking back on it there are a few things I'd change.

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I did, but it did nothing to quell the opinion that "Batman can take on Superman."
It should have done something to quell the opinion that batman is always shown to be prepared. Everything he did in those sewers....essech.

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Wonder how far into the film it'll be before they become mates.

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Right around the time they find out each others secret identity.

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Wouldn't that be... instantly? I mean Superman can see through Batman's cowl. And its not like Clark wears a mask.

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Going to be a massive moment in cinema history.

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Going to be a massive moment in cinema history.
Which is why it should be hilariously underplayed!

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Agree with all of your points, Rocketman...very well put.

Some people just like to Snyder-bash, regardless of what the guy's talking about.
Or they're Marvelites trolling around, agree with Rocketman also.

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Which is why it should be hilariously underplayed!

Superman: fighting is dumb. we should team up.
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Nice.

Hope everyone making the film makes sure they see this. Exactly the level of antagonistic rivalry that I don't mind seeing between the 2. I don't want to see a real Vs as that's too stupid for intelligent and decent guys to get mixed up in. Initial friction and getting in each other's way like this is fine.

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Yup. A quick physical confrontation is the way to go. Altough that World's Finest arc had Batman being a jerk to Superman for no real reason at points.

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Wouldn't that be... instantly? I mean Superman can see through Batman's cowl. And its not like Clark wears a mask.
It will be instantly one for one of them I'm sure. However, maybe like snyder hinted they come to blows after the fact.

I for one think a good portion of the "vs" antagonism will happen before the two even meet. When they meet it will surely be out of costume.

They have lot of ways to play this.

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I just don't want "Bat-God", where Batman can seemingly do anything without fail.

Plus, it's ironic that on a technical standpoint, Batman is viewed as the underdog, when I bet a majority of fans and regular individuals would say that they think Batman would win in a fight against Superman.

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I just don't want "Bat-God", where Batman can seemingly do anything without fail.

Plus, it's ironic that on a technical standpoint, Batman is viewed as the underdog, when I bet a majority of fans and regular individuals would say that they think Batman would win in a fight against Superman.
You'd be surprised how mixed the response is to the question of who wins. Alot of folks only know of the non uber bats presented in the films.
Snyder himself gave the typical answer a year back.

As for 'seemingly do anything without fail', he would have a rogues gallery and scarred body if that were remotely true.

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Batman can take on Superman is Snyder and Terrio want to tell that story. These are fictional characters.

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I have nothing against batman being a threat to Superman as long as both are treated with respect and kept in character, which means no Dark Knight Returns type stuff.

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