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Old 06-02-2014, 08:31 AM   #251
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When's the last time a Superman film was in the billion club. 2006?
Whatever the film is 'supposed' to do, it as to start somewhere(just like batman). People thinking superman means a billion and that snyder somehow fell short with his film are over looking all the box office power the brand has actually produced in spite of Snyder/MoS.

For all the people that think the brand should be making more than cap and thor and such. One simply needs to compare MOS1 with all those other first installments, including Xmen. Gotta start somewhere, unfortunately this particular film actually started in the hole(like batman).

That pacific rim date might have help with that 9 million...guess we'll never know. The comp was fierce though. None of the big films this year have faced such a thing.

China and the rest of the asian territories really are helping films in a way MOS failed to. Perhaps with the sequel. Novelty sells. Decent choreography helps in the land that invented hong kong cinema.

I didn't say it was my reasoning, personally I'm surprised a Superman film resonated with audiences at all in this day and age. I'm just explaining where all the billion for MoS sentiments came from.

Interesting notion on the appeal of good choreography is appreciated more in the east, it makes sense.

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Returns didn't help because it was associated with the what some would call "lame" version (Donner) of Superman but also threw in a weird stalker, deadbeat Dad thing so I think Superman as a box office draw suffered from that.

Regarding MOS, I agree with your points about what might have stopped it in it's tracks but I would also add surprising box office returns from WWZ and a generally competitive summer. I really think MoS would have easily made 300d + had WWZ not surprised everyone.

I'm not counting on BvS making 1B. More than MoS? Yes.
I think it's got a far better chance of hitting 1B on it's premise alone (more so than others here think) but that competition is ridiculous. A spidey sequel, a DOFP sequel and a winter soldier sequel? WB is going to have to go full bat for the marketing of this one, it's the only thing i feel will draw the large audiences.

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I didn't say it was my reasoning, personally I'm surprised a Superman film resonated with audiences at all in this day and age. I'm just explaining where all the billion for MoS sentiments came from.

Interesting notion on the appeal of good choreography is appreciated more in the east, it makes sense.



I think it's got a far better chance of hitting 1B on it's premise alone (more so than others here think) but that competition is ridiculous. A spidey sequel, a DOFP sequel and a winter soldier sequel? WB is going to have to go full bat for the marketing of this one, it's the only thing i feel will draw the large audiences.
You got that right! It will take every bit of a Batman's popularity. Snyder's marketing (I know WB has say too) touch should help.

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You got that right! It will take every bit of a Batman's popularity. Snyder's marketing (I know WB has say too) touch should help.
Utilising Batman's popularity and the notion of Batman and Superman being in the same film together. I know some people won't like this, but you can't market this purely as an MoS sequel now. This isn't Superman 2 anymore, it can't be. (marketing wise)

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Utilising Batman's popularity and the notion of Batman and Superman being in the same film together. I know some people won't like this, but you can't market this purely as an MoS sequel now. This isn't Superman 2 anymore, it can't be. (marketing wise)
I agree and I think we're already seeing that tone since our first official anything was Batman related.

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I don't know so much that they have to go "full bat" (i.e. sell this as solely a Batman film), but rather leverage Batman's popularity to lure in his fans to come see the film (exploit his toys show him in action, let people see him talk in his Batman persona, et. al). Just as they would do that, they should also appease Superman and Wonder Woman fans as well to get them to come to the theaters too. That's the only way you would have a chance at getting over $1.5 billion at the box office.

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I don't know so much that they have to go "full bat" (i.e. sell this as solely a Batman film), but rather leverage Batman's popularity to lure in his fans to come see the film (exploit his toys show him in action, let people see him talk in his Batman persona, et. al). Just as they would do that, they should also appease Superman and Wonder Woman fans as well to get them to come to the theaters too. That's the only way you would have a chance at getting over $1.5 billion at the box office.
No, not solely a Batman film, but his presence in this film needs to be at the forefront.

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This film is already being marketed as a Batman film just not a solo one. Smart move in behalf of WB because I have a feeling this will be 50/50 Bats/Supes and not 80/20 in favor of Supes.

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I'm looking at CA:TWS' takings. Not just the 'Avengers effect' boosting awareness, but the lack of competition in April overall really helped things too.

I can definitely see BvS breaking Marvel's April o.w. by a considerable margin, and making a lot more both domestically and worldwide. I think $300M domestic and $800M-900M worldwide is doable in an off-peak month. But that's contingent on Snyder delivering a good product whether it'll hang in there.

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With the Trinity onscreen for the first time in history, I predict BvS will easily surpass a billion. Two billion isn't out of the question.

And yes, those ticket sales might all come from me!

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When it comes to BvS, I wonder if anything less than a billion dollars will be considered a failure when it comes to box office?

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I'm looking at CA:TWS' takings. Not just the 'Avengers effect' boosting awareness, but the lack of competition in April overall really helped things too.

I can definitely see BvS breaking Marvel's April o.w. by a considerable margin, and making a lot more both domestically and worldwide. I think $300M domestic and $800M-900M worldwide is doable in an off-peak month. But that's contingent on Snyder delivering a good product whether it'll hang in there.
legs. baby's gotta have some legs

granted many people might actually just check BvS out out of the sheer curiosity of seeing Bats and Supes together in the big screen. so thats gonna count into the first couple of weeks or so. but if they hope to make Avengers money on this they better make sure audiences walk out of the theater so buzzed up they'd want to buy a bullhorn and tell everybody with ears to go see it. otherwise this behemoth will go down faster than the Heidelberg.

btw, is BvS still going head to head against Cap3? because thats insane man. Cap 3 will clean up guaranteed. why dont they move this thing in late March/ April? its wide open.

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legs. baby's gotta have some legs

granted many people might actually just check BvS out out of the sheer curiosity of seeing Bats and Supes together in the big screen. so thats gonna count into the first couple of weeks or so. but if they hope to make Avengers money on this they better make sure audiences walk out of the theater so buzzed up they'd want to buy a bullhorn and tell everybody with ears to go see it. otherwise this behemoth will go down faster than the Heidelberg.

btw, is BvS still going head to head against Cap3? because thats insane man. Cap 3 will clean up guaranteed. why dont they move this thing in late March/ April? its wide open.
At the moment both films are still scheduled to go head-to-head but I think WB will move the date of their film - either to April or a few months later.

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When it comes to BvS, I wonder if anything less than a billion dollars will be considered a failure when it comes to box office?
not that easy to make 1 billion. see CA2, TASM2, & Xmen.

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I didn't say it was my reasoning, personally I'm surprised a Superman film resonated with audiences at all in this day and age. I'm just explaining where all the billion for MoS sentiments came from.

Interesting notion on the appeal of good choreography is appreciated more in the east, it makes sense.
I get that, I'm mostly suggesting that in spite of what these people think one can't look at a brand as if it's invincible to it's circumstance. For example, Xmen is historically one of the biggest and most known cbm/movie brands ever. The brand itself had and holds some box office records.

The thing is when XFC does what it does(in many ways, less than even X1), that is very much due to the brand circumstance. I don't even mean to get into the discussion about the films quality(both MOS/XFC), but rather that the films, as good as they are or what people think about how big the name is, still has to work within it's circumstance; and the circumstance for XFC was that it was in a worse shape than even X1. MoS, in spite of the superman brand, is not greater than it's circumstance. Returns was in a far better place, and even then...
1billion really shouldn't have been some 'obvious thing'. Especially with a director that isn't known for that sort of $$. The sequel is a different story.

There are Asian films that appeal on little more than choreography and and work over in that market. I'm pretty certain the kick ass choreo helped cap2 do the insane asian numbers it did in some fashion.

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$2.4 billion.

Domestic.

Write that down.

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it's all about the release date and lack of competition. no matter how big or small the other movies are it will still eat a lot of theater count shares which means less money/box office.

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$2.4 billion.

Domestic.

Write that down.
I did it write it down. Woohoo! Now let's make it happen!!!

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At the moment both films are still scheduled to go head-to-head but I think WB will move the date of their film - either to April or a few months later.
They should move it to November/Christmas 2015 or the traditional 3rd weekend of July 2016.

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I'm guessing $1.8 billion worldwide.

Leave crossing the $2 billion mark for Justice League

As an aside, I was thinking which film would be next to cross 2 billion. The obvious contenders for me are Avatar 2, Avengers 2 and BvS.

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Do people forget that avatar was in theaters twice?

Edit: I guess the rerelease grossed way less than I thought


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Do people forget that avatar was in theaters twice?

Edit: I guess the rerelease grossed way less than I thought
Heh, yeah the re-release grossed just 33.2 million worldwide. I don't think the re-release even aimed for much more than that actually.

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$2.4 billion.

Domestic.

Write that down.
Low-balling eh?

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Okay, fine. I'll entertain myself with a prediction too.

OW: 190m
Stateside: 330m
Overseas: 550m
WW: 880m


I'm still on the side who says 1b is still hard to achieve and BvS simply isn't a gimme in that regard.

EDIT: added opening weekend.


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I dont know if it will hit a billion ( depends on how good it is etc etc) but i can certainly see it breaking opening wk records. Everybody and their brother will want to see this at the opening.

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