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Old 04-21-2014, 08:35 PM   #101
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I think it's likely he escaped on the USB key Natasha used.
Yeah they brought Coulson back so an AI surviving is quite easy to explain.

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Yeah they brought Coulson back so an AI surviving is quite easy to explain.
I think Arnim escaped via the internet or was already somewhere else just using the old place to remotely access to try to trap Cap.
I mean he DID show Steve and Natasha stuff on the internet so it's entirely possible

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By whatever means necessary, i hope he survived if for only to listen to him pontificating about Hydra some more.

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Tony will always be ahead of the curve. but he's yet to give anyone superpowers. Pym, Raina, Maya Hansen, Killian, and Erskine seemed to have figured it out; to some extent.
*ahem*

I recall a line about him coming close to fixing the flaws of Extremis on the back of a napkin while drunk. He then apparently was able to cure Pepper without much trouble in IM3's epilogue. I'm sure he could give people super powers, if that were his ambition.

But alas it's not. Hell, he may even find it morally dubious, especially since a lot of 'super soldier' projects seem to turn out bad. Not to mention Tony's firsthand experience in IM3 with Extremis enhanced people include disintegrating explosions that almost killed Happy, and a video feed of a highly distressed Pepper being injected with Extremis against her will.

Plus, as for Tony vs Zola.... using the tesseract to power weapons that were centuries ahead of their time really is impressive, but Tony did the same with an energy source that he created. Sure it was no Tesseract, but the arc reactor pretty much spits in the face of physics as we know them. And then he was able to synthesize a new element based on what we can assume to be the Tesseract, and he did all this and implemented it as his new arc reactor (which later is shown to absorb Thor's lightning, and deflect Loki's glowstick of doom, proof that it can actually stand against alien energies) within a day.

Oh, and while Tony may not be cheating death by putting his brain on a computer, he essentially has the next best thing. He's created synthetic life in the form of JARVIS.

I don't mean to dismiss Zola at all, but Tony's no spring chicken either. They're both extraordinary minds, but on two different sides of the morality coin and defined by their time periods in some way. Also their personalities could not be any more different.

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By whatever means necessary, i hope he survived if for only to listen to him pontificating about Hydra some more.
Zola would be an Awesome villian as would Zemo lol But I can see Arnim making Strucker's hand since Zola's already worked a bit on Bucky and his arm AND what ever formula IN Bucky from the 40's


betting the Clairvoyant wants the stuff that brought Phil back to bring Schimdt back

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Zola would be an Awesome villian as would Zemo lol But I can see Arnim making Strucker's hand since Zola's already worked a bit on Bucky and his arm AND what ever formula IN Bucky from the 40's


betting the Clairvoyant wants the stuff that brought Phil back to bring Schimdt back
0_o that'd be brilliant

Sure it makes the ending of First Avenger dubious, but maybe instead of putting Schimdt in some other dimension, it killed him but kept him on Earth. His body was preserved somehow, and Hydra has the body saved for a rainy day. Word of Coulson coming back to life has their interest, and the Guest House drug may be their ticket to reviving their former leader.

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*points at both Tony Stark and James Rhodes*

He has, in fact, given people superpowers. In fact, he can give basically anyone he wants superpowers, limited only by how much time he's willing to spend manufacturing armor. If he really wanted to, he could design one basic, reliable, user friendly armor design, and start producing them by the hundreds.

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I think Arnim escaped via the internet or was already somewhere else just using the old place to remotely access to try to trap Cap.
I mean he DID show Steve and Natasha stuff on the internet so it's entirely possible
Yeah....like midget porn and Nyan Cat.
I'm not sure which is worse.

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TDK does. The Joker surfaces because of Batman's arrival. Everything is connected to Batman in that film. Also including Dent's descent.
No he doesn't. The Joker is known at the end of Begins doing random killings, and robberies.

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No he doesn't. The Joker is known at the end of Begins doing random killings, and robberies.
Evidently you didn't listen to what Gordon told Batman at the end of Begins. Joker took on an outlandish persona because of Batman's arrival.

Anyway... i still think Stark perfected Extremis and used it on himself. How else could he have stabilised Pepper? How else could he have the arc reactor removed?

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Evidently you didn't listen to what Gordon told Batman at the end of Begins. Joker took on an outlandish persona because of Batman's arrival.

Anyway... i still think Stark perfected Extremis and used it on himself. How else could he have stabilised Pepper? How else could he have the arc reactor removed?
They'd have implied/said/shown that if he did.

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Evidently you didn't listen to what Gordon told Batman at the end of Begins. Joker took on an outlandish persona because of Batman's arrival.

Anyway... i still think Stark perfected Extremis and used it on himself. How else could he have stabilised Pepper? How else could he have the arc reactor removed?

Tony was able to perfect/correct Hansen's Extremis formula by reworking the equation he had started 13 years before, while drunk in her hotel room on New Year's Day 2000. He had come close to solving the problems that caused Extremis subjects to overheat and/or explode back then. At the end of Iron Man 3 Tony said that he was able to "fix" Pepper, by refining the formula.

The removal of the arc reactor was explained at the end of the film as well. The Chinese heart surgeon whom Ho Yinsen introduced to Tony back in 1999 had devised a technique for removing the shrapnel that was embedded around Tony's heart. He went to China to have the surgery to remove the debris, which made the arc reactor in his chest unnecessary. Since the reactor was no longer needed to keep the shrapnel from piercing Tony's heart he had that removed as well. Extremis wasn't involved in that in any way.

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Well exactly. All along he had the key to perfect and stabilising Extremis. He stabilised Pepper. Why not use it on himself like he did in the comics?

He may not have. But i will not be surprised at all if in Age of Ultron it's revealed Stark has used Extremis on himself. Gives another meaning to the theme of him being Iron Man in and out of the suit.

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Well exactly. All along he had the key to perfect and stabilising Extremis. He stabilised Pepper. Why not use it on himself like he did in the comics?

He may not have. But i will not be surprised at all if in Age of Ultron it's revealed Stark has used Extremis on himself. Gives another meaning to the theme of him being Iron Man in and out of the suit.
Tony doesn't need Extremis to be Iron Man. He is Iron Man, with or without his suits or tech. That was the entire point of IM3. Extremis is unnecessary and in fact would undercut all of the character growth that arose from Tony's travails with Killian. It's Tony's intellect that makes him superhuman. For him to go from saying that he doesn't need his suits, his tech or even his wealth to be a hero to taking a drug to enhance himself physically so that he can always be Iron Man would be a massive step backward.

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But he's used his intelligence to perfect Extremis, maybe even enhance it to what it is in the comics. He's still gonna use his suits, that doesn't undercut the journey he had in IM3.

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In any case, the IM3 movie itself doesn't give us any evidence or even indirectly imply that Stark used Extremis on himself. "Because he upgraded himself with Extremis in the comics" is not a good enough reason... the MCU is very much its own thing. Even the Extremis portrayed in IM3 had little to nothing in common with its comic counterpart.

Speculation is fine, which is to say, well, he very well may show up in A:AOU Extremis-enhanced... who knows? But I don't believe there's any basis for an inference here.

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Now that SHIELD's gone, I hope Joss uses the opportunity to turn Hawkeye into a vigilante. Even if SHIELD does reform, make him back off. Lol it'd be hilarious if Hawkeye dons his ridiculous mask before Wolverine, show Fox it CAN be done :P

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Now that SHIELD's gone, I hope Joss uses the opportunity to turn Hawkeye into a vigilante. Even if SHIELD does reform, make him back off. Lol it'd be hilarious if Hawkeye dons his ridiculous mask before Wolverine, show Fox it CAN be done :P
Yeah it would actually make sense now for him to don a mask now, although the same could be said for Widow.

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In any case, the IM3 movie itself doesn't give us any evidence or even indirectly imply that Stark used Extremis on himself. "Because he upgraded himself with Extremis in the comics" is not a good enough reason... the MCU is very much its own thing. Even the Extremis portrayed in IM3 had little to nothing in common with its comic counterpart.

Speculation is fine, which is to say, well, he very well may show up in A:AOU Extremis-enhanced... who knows? But I don't believe there's any basis for an inference here.
Of course it's speculation. But i saw signs that it is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what happened, but i'm not exactly counting on it.

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Tony creating Ultron is a terrible idea IMO. I don't think it would be a good idea to make the biggest a-hole in the Marvel universe be directly responsible for a genocidal machine. I thought Iron Man 3 already demonized Tony more than it needed to. The reason it worked with Hank Pym was because he was a likeable yet tragic character. Not that Tony isn't likeable, but he is a different type of likeable (the likeable a-hole).

All the Avengers should have a hand in creating Ultron. It would also lead to the public questioning whether or not the Avengers are an efficient substitute for SHIELD, whereas "Can Mr. Stark still be trusted to protect the world after this event?" is already covered ground in the MCU.
tony rebuilding his iron army would be apt now that SHIELD is gone and he may feel he needs to protect the world again as iron man

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Tony doesn't need Extremis to be Iron Man. He is Iron Man, with or without his suits or tech. That was the entire point of IM3. Extremis is unnecessary and in fact would undercut all of the character growth that arose from Tony's travails with Killian. It's Tony's intellect that makes him superhuman. For him to go from saying that he doesn't need his suits, his tech or even his wealth to be a hero to taking a drug to enhance himself physically so that he can always be Iron Man would be a massive step backward.
Except for the fact that we know damn well Tony *does* create new suits for AoU, including Hulkbuster. Yes, the "I am Iron Man" in IM3 quote is definitely metaphorical, in that he's saying it's the man inside the suit who is the hero, not the suit itself; but Tony isn't an idiot. He knows full well that he needs his armor(s) to be considered a superhero.

Extremis Armor for AoU is a natural progression from IM3. It would be a complete waste of a good storyline *not* to use it at this point.

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Tony feels the need to protect the world again as an Avenger. That's kind of the whole point of Avengers 2, and of Phase 2 in general --- the heroes are coming to realize that they can't go around saving the world on their own anymore, and that teaming up to form an official Avengers is the best way they can go about protecting humanity from these larger-than-life threats.

Tony doesn't need to build a killer robot to "save" the world. He doesn't need to reboot the Iron Legion to do that, either. He just needs his super friends.

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Yeah....like midget porn and Nyan Cat.
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0_o that'd be brilliant

Sure it makes the ending of First Avenger dubious, but maybe instead of putting Schimdt in some other dimension, it killed him but kept him on Earth. His body was preserved somehow, and Hydra has the body saved for a rainy day. Word of Coulson coming back to life has their interest, and the Guest House drug may be their ticket to reviving their former leader.
For all WE know he could already be back. Look how long Hydra's been hiding within SHIELD.
They probably need the GH325 to keep who ever Skull inhabits from being killed by Tesseract energy

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Yeah but there's no evidence (yet) that Red Skull was involved with the new HYDRA. Zola even refers to it as being new and their goals/methods are different from what Red Skull's were. So no, I don't think that he's back. He could come back later, that's certainly possible.

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