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Old 05-01-2014, 10:30 PM   #126
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Acceptance- I accept that either Jurassic World, Pixar's movie or Ted2 will get the lion's share of Junes box office next year.

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This movie is officially dead to me, so I'd like to congratulate Fox for ruining yet another F4 movie all in the interest of keeping the movie rights.
I couldn't have said it better. You know I can forgive the other films. They got some stuff wrong, but they at least tried to capture the spirit of the comics. Heck if it wasn't for those films, Chris Evans might never have been cast as Captain America.

I'm beyond hoping the film bombs, I just hope people are fired over this, the project gets scraped and there's never one film cell developed for this.

Honestly I"d rather watch the Roger Coreman version 1000 times in a row than see this film once, and I am not kidding about that.

The FF has NOTHING to do with Chronicle, that's not who the FF are. That's NEVER BEEN who the FF are. Why is that so hard for these movie idiot execs to understand?

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You'll see it anyway.

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Old 05-02-2014, 12:22 AM   #130
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You'll see it anyway.
Yep, Jordan said so and he is the new oracle.

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As long as Michael Fake Jordan keeps doing movies that flop then that is only justice for this ****. Keep piling up the flops Fake guy

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As long as Michael Fake Jordan keeps doing movies that flop then that is only justice for this ****. Keep piling up the flops Fake guy
"Keeps doing movies that flop"? I'm confused because, from the info I'm looking at, it seems like all of his last three movies were financially successful (even TAM made $53 mil on an $8 mil budget). Admittedly those films had fairly low budgets, but they're still not technically flops.

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"Keeps doing movies that flop"? I'm confused because, from the info I'm looking at, it seems like all of his last three movies were financially successful (even TAM made $53 mil on an $8 mil budget). Admittedly those films had fairly low budgets, but they're still not technically flops.
What does Michael Fake Jordan have to do with The Amazing Spider-Man ? His last movie That Awkward Moment flopped. So if his future movies flop then no complaining here. I did not mention The Amazing Spider-Man at all

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As long as Michael Fake Jordan keeps doing movies that flop then that is only justice for this ****. Keep piling up the flops Fake guy
I don't get the hate for an actor accepting a role that was offered to him.

Yeah, sure, he made that 'they'll go see it anyway' comment - but if you were being consistently blasted for the decision you would probably have a chip on your shoulder too.

This whole mess of a project falls squarely on the shoulders of Fox execs, followed closely by Trank and Kinberg.

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Everyone involved is at fault here no way around it

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You'll see it anyway.
I'd rather have electrodes tied to my testicles and be flogged with a knotted rope.

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I'd rather have electrodes tied to my testicles and be flogged with a knotted rope.
So that's what the torture scene was about in Casino Royale. Le Chiffre was trying to force Bond to watch Trank's Foxtastic Four, but he adamantly refused.

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That is now the official reasoning behind every torture scene ever made. Even The Goonies torture scene with Chunk

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Denial - "This isn't happening. There is no news from Baton Rouge and they'll pull the plug soon."

Anger - "**** you Fox!"

Bargaining - "I will not see any Fox films until they give the rights back to Marvel."

Depression - This is where I am.

Acceptance - Hopefully I'll get to this point soon.


I think many of us are at different stages at the moment. We'll probably all meet in the depression zone next week when the set photos start getting posted. I have a feeling some of us will never reach the acceptance point.
I think I'm approaching acceptance in the sense that I just don't care anymore what happens to the FF. Sad really. But Fox gonna Fox. Nothing I can do about it except not pay them money to destroy some of my favorite characters.

I've just been re-reading some of Brubaker's Cap run and the whole Reborn series etc. and it amazes me how so intertwined these characters are that you just take it for granted as a comic reader. Having an MCU without Doom and Reed is just weird. But whatever. Life goes on.

Sometimes I think that Marvel not having their most famous properties is a good thing because it forces them to always bring their A-game. They know nobody is going to care about these characters if the movies are crap. Conversely look at Sony's complacence with the Spider-Man franchise. The film is getting trashed by critics but it's still going to make a boatload of cash.

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What does Michael Fake Jordan have to do with The Amazing Spider-Man ? His last movie That Awkward Moment flopped. So if his future movies flop then no complaining here. I did not mention The Amazing Spider-Man at all
We were talking about TASM?

Also, you apparently didn't read my post that closely:

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Source from Wikipedia. It failed with critics (and is by most accounts a terrible movie), but it didn't flop.

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We were talking about TASM?

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Source from Wikipedia. It failed with critics (and is by most accounts a terrible movie), but it didn't flop.
All right it did not flop. But it being a bad movie sounds good to me. So thats a positive thing at least

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the thing different between a studio like Fox and Marvel Studios is that Fox buys properties so that they can make movies using those properties names to take advantage of name recognition and built in fanbase.

I don't see how anyone could argue with this, why else would they spend money on something like this? This isn't evil, or diabolical, it's just the business of making movies. But with Marvel Studios we have first, we have a genuine interest for the property right to remain valuable, outside of even making movies. Since Marvel Studios is very closely linked still with Marvel Comics. So we have that. We also have some genuine human desire in the people like Feige for the properties to be done according to his idea about them. It's not just entirely about the industry and making movies, he actually has some connection to what he sees the characters as being.

This can't be emphasized enough. It not any altruistic or noble thing, but it ends up being true. And we can look at what Marvel has done and has planned in the future as proof of that. Argue about Mandarin and Hank Pym as much as you want, cuz people who do that are splitting hairs and actually not recognizing the truth of the situation. There's a HUGE difference between Marvel Studios and Fox, Sony and even WB. huge difference. That doesn't mean Marvel necessarily RULES or WINS or anything at all like that. You can hate what they do and that's totally valid. But most fans on the pure character level of these properties are gonna be happier with what Marvel does than other studios. It's as simple as that. And they are gonna respond more favorably to the idea of the rights reverting to Marvel. Should Marvel get rights to Batman and Superman? no, of course not, cuz they wouldn't have that same built in desire to do those characters best justice. There'd be no point in that. (Even tho I think Marvel Studios Man of Steel would've made over a billion dollars, just speculating, personally.)

It's really simple and I don't see how people can pretend to have such a hard time sometimes, processing why there's constant voicing from fans that rights revert. It's really so simple.

And it's especially frustrating becuz Fox seems actually in a better state to sell the rights back and demand a percentage of all FF movies for a certain amount of time. They would do nothing, and get like 5% of $300 million, even minusing production and promo budgets. easy. and then plus whatever huge amount of millions they sold it for. FF especially without crossover to X-Men is a dead end for Fox. They aren't willing to even fathom committing to what it would take to make those movies pay off. it's crazy, it's a total dead end. FF is never gonna be a huge franchise, if it's locked up and islanded over at Fox. no chance even. It's worth crazy amounts of money to Marvel tho, where each FF movie would multiply the value of any movies connected to it as well as other movies multiplying it's value. Fox would be part of that success.

Fox isn't evil, they don't worship the devil and just do things to make the world a worse place. u know? they are obligated to do what's financially best for them, this isn't the 1940s. we got investors now, we got shareholders and quarterly reports, there's no room for someone with an axe to grind to just try and block success for Marvel. Fox makes all kinds of movies, are they really that worried about Marvel Studios? I doubt it really a bunch, i doubt that. it's hard to believe they'd find it more profitable to go ahead with this movie.
it seems like every study that is possible to do would show up with definite results that no one is into the idea of it. at all. it's got zero amount of natural momentum. zero. not from Trank as a director, not from the FF property, not from any of the actors. zero momentum. absolutely none.

and they expect to drum this up, where as of yet, they've completely hid the movie in a closet and effectively suffocated any kind of natural fan based support for it?

it's crazy. I cannot believe that Fox is actually that crazy. they are a corporation for god's sake, they aren't Uncle Wiley dug into the farm with a shotgun and 100 gallons of water waiting for the Armageddon to descend. They are a major corporation, and it seems crazy to do this.

only thing would be is if they were negotiating with Marvel over crossover rights or possibly reverting back and just stalling and maybe prepared to squeeze out a low budget movie to see if any fanfare is generated and buy them 7 more years to hopefully put them in a better place to either revert or get crossover rights. that makes sense, but that's cold comfort for FF fans.

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you can just read some of what Kinberg said at WonderCon as being this...
"yeah we know that you comic book fans want your FF, but we're not gonna put a bunch of money into this right now. what we want to do is get something out there, hoepfully quality movie in general, and low budget and see how people respond, and hold on to the rights and see what shapes in the future. but don't expect any big FF movie, ok? don't even expect them to be called the FF, maybe we will cantilever into that in the future, depending. but for right now, we can't afford to invest in something that is so guaranteed, practically, to not make much money."

that's what he was saying. and all of his body language seemed to me like he was personally embarrassed to have to put a better face on the situation. like he outright laughed to himself and shook his head before he asserted that they were filming in a couple weeks. maybe he even kinda rolled his eyes before going on with saying what he did. he doesn't seem a bad guy at all, he just got shoved into having to do all this press to cover for Singer and everything personal going on with him.

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you can just read some of what Kinberg said at WonderCon as being this...
"yeah we know that you comic book fans want your FF, but we're not gonna put a bunch of money into this right now. what we want to do is get something out there, hoepfully quality movie in general, and low budget and see how people respond, and hold on to the rights and see what shapes in the future. but don't expect any big FF movie, ok? don't even expect them to be called the FF, maybe we will cantilever into that in the future, depending. but for right now, we can't afford to invest in something that is so guaranteed, practically, to not make much money."

that's what he was saying. and all of his body language seemed to me like he was personally embarrassed to have to put a better face on the situation. like he outright laughed to himself and shook his head before he asserted that they were filming in a couple weeks. maybe he even kinda rolled his eyes before going on with saying what he did. he doesn't seem a bad guy at all, he just got shoved into having to do all this press to cover for Singer and everything personal going on with him.
so in other words "we really are just making this to hold onto the rights" , "If you guys go see it , then maybe we can invest in a film you may actually enjoy later, but right now... you wont get it!"

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I think many of us are at different stages at the moment. We'll probably all meet in the depression zone next week when the set photos start getting posted. I have a feeling some of us will never reach the acceptance point.
I'm still at denial and I will be 2 years from now whether this movie gets made or not.

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We really need to unite and boycott this, no matter how good it looks. Fox is putting sugar on a turd and telling us it's a brownie but yet some people will support this crap. I'd rather piss razorblades than buy a single ticket!

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No boycott will stop this. The FF are ****ed and so are their fans.

They'll never see a single dime from me. It won't matter, but at least I'll have some pride.

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Boycott? They already know how most fans feel about this film and I'm sure they know the gigantic risk in rebooting it less than 8 years later. The general audience will stay away. These people can't be this blind and stupid not to see failure written all over it.

I am wondering when the fatigue factor will set in with the numerous reboots these studios are making. But if its worth so much to Fox just to keep the rights away then have at it. Its their money.

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I hope Fox will bring the cast to Comic Con, and the fans will boo them out of the building to show their displeasure.

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Not much booing goes on....no matter how much the hate.

Jessica Alba was actually threatened harm on some sites...lol, and when she walked out you would have thought the everyone's choice for Sue had just walked out.

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