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#151 |
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BB is only slightly overrated IMO. I don't think MOS is over- or underrated.
As for Snyder: if MOS is of any indication, he has no idea how to properly handle scenes that are supposed to elicit emotional responses. I don't recall feeling anything for anybody during my viewing. |
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How do you think that the scene where Martha talks to Clark in the closet at the school could have been better handled? |
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With better dialogue, a better child actor, and more time devoted to it in general.
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I thought that "focus on the sound of my voice, like it's an island" was good dialogue. As for more time, agreed, they should have shown the Kents bond with the baby. |
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I really could have used a Clark/Ma Kent scene between Zod's death and the satellite joke. Ma Kent talking him down and giving him a piece of wisdom to live by from there on out. Something like that.
Would have made the transition between those two scenes far less jarring and emotionally disconnected.
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Funny enough, I think Batman Begins is a better film on paper (in terms of conventional criticism, there's a lot less to rag on it) but I find myself being immersed in the experience of Man of Steel more. ![]() ![]() From the bleak world of Krypton, to the oceanic town of Smallville, and the bustling city of Metropolis, MOS was benefited by Snyder's world building abilities and underrated cinematic techniques (The tracking shots in Smallville and handheld photography really helped the film feel alive). I think Snyder would have gone to town with a character-driven script with Begins, but he did a respectable job with what he had in MOS. I also think MOS should have been called The Last Son of Krypton, because it's really more of a Kryptonian political thriller featuring Superman than a true origin. While I do think it's an underlying flaw, when viewed that way, the film works. Kal-El is caught between a tragic villain who is torn between predefined concepts of how Krypton should be, and his own failed methods of trying to reform Krypton, with Jor-El trying to allow a future for Krypton without forcing it upon Superman (or Earth for that matter). So it's really a series of Kryptonian conflicts. One, a Kryptonian rebelling amongst his people,another of a a Kryptonian trying to integrate with earth, and yet another of a Kryptonian trying to destroy it. And when the film finally becomes a series of physical battles, it's really because there are no other ways for the Kryptonian conflicts to go. If there is any one theme, it's that characters accidentally place their conflicts on the backs of others. Jor-El's choice to implant the Codex in Kal sent Zod after his Son, Jonathan Kent's decision to force anonymity on Clark causes him to make a troubling choice, Perry White's decision not to print that article prevents people from understanding that there is a good alien force out there, which causes a higher level of paranoia than usual. This idea kind of raises the stakes, especially within the context of a greater DCU. But I will gladly admit that Begins was better self-contained and written. I'd even say it's better directed, but I honestly think the types of shots and technical direction is stronger in MOS, and it didn't have a performance as bad as KatyHolmes in it ![]() |
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"The world's too big, mom!" What the **** does that mean? How does that imply (to someone who is completely unaware of what he's actually going through) that he's having a hard time controlling his super hearing and X-Ray vision? Quote:
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The only setting I felt come anywhere near as close to Gotham in Man of Steel was Krypton. Metropolis and Smallville felt like afterthoughts in comparison.
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I hate to sound fatalistic, but a lot of MOS was probably this way before Snyder took the reigns. Though I'm fairly certain there wouldn't be a "tentacle scene" if Nolan directed :P |
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There were happy moments in Clark's childhood, but they're hinted at in an implicit manner.
After the kids bullying him run off because Jonathan Kent intimidated them away, Pete Ross stands behind to extend his hand to Clark and to help him get up. Think about that ... Pete Ross fails to run off with the cool kids, he stays behind to help Clark get up instead. That is the start of a good friendship. It's hard to imagine a warmer act than what Pete Ross did right there. |
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I think Goyer and/or Snyder were focusing on what would realistically happen to an alien growing up on Earth. His life would be much like that or worse in a world like ours.
As for the complaints about that closet scene: That child actor was no worse than they usually are and of course Ma knew exactly how to help him/what he was going through. She's his mom. She'd probably had experiences like that before with him.
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He should. It can't be easy to raise some alien boy. ![]()
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I just like the overall variety, for lack of a better word, in MOS. It's weird that I think Begins is better told, but I think MOS is better watched :P |
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Don't get me wrong; Pete was a child. I think it would be unfair to hold him to the same standard of morality that one would an adult. Most children typically wouldn't stand up for the "freak" in front of their "cool" friends, so I don't hold it against him. However: I don't think his actions were anything to applaud. Also: I really doubt they developed a friendship. Clark didn't even mention his name once he got back into town and only spared him a glance when they crossed paths again. Quote:
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I never gave the happiness of Clark's childhood a second thought. The movie isn't called A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF CLARK'S CHILDHOOD.
Part of the story involves how certain childhood experiences influence a man with godlike powers, and films tend to revolve around the exploration of key conflict. So the movie presented Clark's core conflicts. I figured he was just a normal kid, except for the ways he wasn't, which is what the film focused on. Seems kind of silly to assume he had a completely miserable childhood just because he had some weighty issues to deal with during a few key moments in his childhood. What else do we need to assume because its not shown? That he didn't have any favorite TV shows, etc?
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^ You honestly don't think his super hearing ever happened before? He told her the "world is too big." She realized that was in reference to him hearing all these sounds and got him to focus on her voice. She'd probably done this before with him. I'm too lazy to say anything more about it than that.
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I figured she was just being a good mother. Refocusing his attention.
The kid was hiding in a closet. He told her what was wrong, and she realized that he needed to be able to shut out all those things to stop freaking out. So she told him to focus on her voice, in other words, on her presence. It shouldn't matter whether she knew he had powers or not. Kid could have been having an anxiety attack, and it'd be a similar situation. I don't see the issue. It's basically a scene designed to say "I know you're in pain, I'm here for you, focus on that".
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I read the novelization and Clark had problems with his powers manifesting that the Kents had to struggle to deal with since he was a baby. Martha already knew of Clark's extraordinary hearing ability due to an earlier incident. So,yeah, totally reaching.
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If it wasn't in the movie, I'm not obligated to know about it. I shouldn't have to go out of my way to learn information that should already be present (one way or another) in the movie. So, no, I'm not reaching, if your response is, "Read the book". |
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![]() ![]() Anyway, MrsKent, you were right an incident did happen before. It was one of the scenes they cut out or didn't film. The one where the Kents had taken baby Clark to the clinic and he shattered all the glass within a mile radius by shrieking. Apparently, he found the normally harmless acoustic hearing test the doctor administered excruciating. |
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