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Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color. 157 65.97%
It's good, need to see more to jude it. 63 26.47%
Meh. 16 6.72%
Don't like it. 2 0.84%
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:24 AM   #701
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Old 07-06-2014, 12:15 PM   #702
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Thanks for the link...
Sometimes I disagree with Neal's opinion on things.. But I do get where he is coming from. He is one of those artists that had a great impact, was very inspirational, and did not reap the rewards that, perhaps, others received based on Neal's work.
Kind of like if Bill Finger was around while they were doing the Burton film?
I am sure that that would have been interesting.
As far as Neal's opinion (in that podcast)on the movies, their suits, the portrayal of villains, and the details and decisions that have been made in the past?
I agree with about 90 percent of what he said..

It is a business.. And like any big business, the one in the spotlight doesn't always do the work. And at times, those behind the scenes can grow frustrated with that notion. Unless they are paid very well.

Like the new film that we await.. Costume Designer doesn't necessarily mean Costume builder..

I believe that Neal's angst comes from making others rich, and perhaps, his own ego gets the best of him at times?

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Neal Adams sucks. Batman: Odyssey is one of the worst things I've ever read. Ever.

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It was certainly one of the oddest things I have read. Adams is a heck of an artist, though, and probably remains my favourite of all.

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Old 07-06-2014, 12:23 PM   #705
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Neal Adams sucks. Batman: Odyssey is one of the worst things I've ever read. Ever.
I concur with you on that.. But in his day? His worked changed things...
I think that it is not always a good idea to let artists "write" stories..
Stick to what they do best.

For every negative thought that I have about Neal? I have shared the same type of thoughts towards Bob Kane... At times anyhow..

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Then again, anything that heavily involves Batman with dinosaurs, time travel, cave men, aliens, and strays away from the idea that he's a human being in a somewhat-real world, is automatically trash to me. It completely undermines the point of the character. I completely loathe everything Grant Morrison did.

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Then again, anything that heavily involves Batman with dinosaurs, time travel, cave men, aliens, and strays away from the idea that he's a human being in a somewhat-real world, is automatically trash to me.
So were you going for irony with that avatar, or... ?

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So were you going for irony with that avatar, or... ?
A cartoon? No.

Material aimed more toward adults who are at least 40 who need an expansive knowledge of 75 years of DC history to understand what the hell Grant Morrison is trying to say (and it's still idiotic), is quite different than something that was on the Kid's WB, lol. I'll give the Animated Series a pass.

Adams' writing in Odyssey was atrocious, too. TAS actually had amazing writing for the most part. I'll agree that Adams' art is good though.

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I suppose that I give Adams a pass with "Odyssey" in the same way that I give Miller a pass when thinking about "The Dark Knight Strikes Again"?

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I suppose that I give Adams a pass with "Odyssey" in the same way that I give Miller a pass when thinking about "The Dark Knight Strikes Again"?
Definitely. Though I think the writing AND art in Strikes Again are equally bad, lol.

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I hope the solo movie displays a case with the bat insignia in the yellow oval on a batsuit

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Neal Adams sucks. Batman: Odyssey is one of the worst things I've ever read. Ever.
That book is Neal Adams' very own The Dark Knight Strikes Again. It's like he had to come back to comics just to let everyone know that it was a GOOD thing that he hung it up a while ago.

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I suppose that I give Adams a pass with "Odyssey" in the same way that I give Miller a pass when thinking about "The Dark Knight Strikes Again"?
Miller doesn't deserve a pass for that book.

Or maybe he does, but the things he's done SINCE then (The Spirit movie, All-Star Batman, and his stupid comments about Muslims and the Occupy movement) have made me despise him. Still love The Dark Knight Returns and Year One is pretty good. But Miller really went off the deep end over the past 15 years or so.

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I'd take Jim Aparo or Norm Breyfogle over Neal Adams any day.

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Old 07-06-2014, 01:49 PM   #715
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Aparo has that classic Death in the Family pic of Batman holding Robin. Plus, I liked the way he drew the Batmobile.

He's not bad.

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Never been a fan of Aparo... I've always found his Batman very generic looking. But I LOVE Norm Breyfogle's Batman. Simply magnificent.

I am a fan of Neal Adams' older work, though.

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Never been a fan of Aparo... I've always found his Batman very generic looking. But I LOVE Norm Breyfogle's Batman. Simply magnificent.

I am a fan of Neal Adams' older work, though.
I feel the same, as I always felt Aparo in the '70 was simply doing his version of Neal's Batman without the dynamics or forced perspective. Two things, in Neal's early days, that I thought really helped his panels stick out from the rest.

Aparo has done some nice imagery, but it came later..

Norm's work was fantastic.. And I always thought that he had a good sense of dynamics as well.

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I love Breyfogle; he was drawing Batman when I first started reading the comics with Detective Comics 607.

I don't think anyone can really argue with Adams technical ability, though. He really raised the bar for comicbook art in the 70s.

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I love Breyfogle; he was drawing Batman when I first started reading the comics with Detective Comics 607.

I don't think anyone can really argue with Adams technical ability, though. He really raised the bar for comicbook art in the 70s.
I love his early work... but I truly believe his new stuff is nothing short of an eye sore.

Breyfogle needs to do more mainstream comics.

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Breyfogle needs to do more mainstream comics.
Let me tell you, this is pretty terrifying when you're five.


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I may also be in the minority here, but his Batmobile is my personal favourite.


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That was always the oddest looking Batmobile to me. Especially when it was drawn straight on.

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Also, Breyfogle really made Batman intimidating without going full-on horror like Kelly Jones.


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Also, Breyfogle really made Batman intimidating without going full-on horror like Kelly Jones.
Oh c'mon he doesn't draw him that....


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