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Old 05-26-2014, 07:53 PM   #51
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I think they should have the younger original X-Men team (the movie original team: Scott, Jean, Hank, Ororo), and I think they should follow The Cure episode from the tv show, with Mystique working for Apocalypse as Doctor Adler getting people to become his horsemen.

I would really love to see the future team in action; James Marsden, Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman and Famke Janssen on a mission, but I don't see that working out.

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I hope they stop with the Wolverine obsession with Jean (even if she is supposed to be younger). It was played out in the comics and in the movies. I don't want to see any more of it. A flirt here and there was fine, but the "nothing in the world matters but her" mantra started to make me roll my eyes and lose interest. X-men is soapy (yes, comics can be soap operas--the Sopranos was one too--there is a difference between good and bad soap), with all the intertwining relationships based on love, hate, loyalty and betrayal and so forth, but it was getting out of hand for me.

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Heres my X-Men: Apocalypse story and characters that will be included:

After the events of DOFP we arrive in the 1980s. Xavier's school is thriving, Erik hasn't been heard from in years, & Mystique is nowhere to be found. Everything is calm on the surface but in the core of the universe a threat is bubbling.

Apocalypse, the very first mutant & most powerful of all laid dormant for eons but Logan's time travel leads to a ripple in the space time continuum that awakens the ancient mutant. He is stuck in the fabric of time as he is accidentally awoken too early. Through telepathy he contacts Nathaniel Essex, a local physicist that is intrigued with mutants & all things "out there". Apocalypse gives him the power to complete his theories of time travel & alternate dimensions. Essex is able to conjure Apocalypse back into reality and in return is granted the power of telepathy as well as being able to materialize energy.

Xavier feels something on the horizon that is very powerful but cannot fully see what is coming bc of Apocalypse's power, he blocks out telepathes from seeing his energy. He begins to assemble his X-Men team underneath the school. Scott Summers, Jean Grey, Warren Worthington, & Hank McCoy are the official first team of the new X-Men, they begin to search for Logan, Erik, & Mystique for help with the impending threat. Erik has formed a band of mutants, Mystique is still righting the wrongs of mutant damnation & Logan is missing in action.

Essex now under the name Sinister forms a plan with Apocalypse to destroy the human race but Apocalypse needs more servants for his cause. He tasks Sinister with finding his new 4 Horsemen. Where else can you find powerful mutants that can fight a war? Xaviers School. Sinister transforms himself and arrives at Xaviers school scouting the talent. He's intrigued with Warren Worthington's flight ability, his encounter with Warren gives him enough time to plant the seed in his head that he can be part of a greater cause & poisons the young X Man.

Worthington can't sleep, Sinister's voice plagues his thoughts and he disappears from the school to seek out this greater cause. Arriving at Sinister's lab he is introduced to Apocalypse who turns him into the first Horseman of Apocalypse, outfitting him in a black and silver outfit & replacing his feathered wings with razor sharp vibranium wings. Warren is then tasked to find 3 more to round out the horsemen. He choose Sentry, Psylocke, & a young Nightcrawler to join his team of destruction.

....not a bad start and probably somewhat what we'll see. I would assume for most of the film Apocalypse gets the upper hand & the X-Men recruit a bigger team with assorted powers to take him down or trap him in the fabric of time.

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Such a fun and imaginative post ruined by Ur inclusion of Warren. I must assume he's one of your favorites which is why your willing to just do away with the age not working, but its too big for fans to dismiss. I'm all for taking a few liberties here and there but I think thats too big to overcome. If they hadn't featured him prominently in X3 and he had a small part sure why not.

I do like Mr.Sinister being included though. My guess for the 4 horsemen are Gambit, Wolverine, and one or two characters presumed dead like Emma or Angel (female Angel). I also like the idea of Mystique working with Apocalypse but her choosing to of free will. We can use Kurt as a kid somehow being her motivation.

I guess when more characters get confirmed it will shed more light- good news is that we wont have to wait too long.

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I hope to see Mr.Sinister. I know this was a running theme in TAS but he had an obsession with Jean and Scott plus Cyclops' beams was the only thing that could really hurt him.

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Such a fun and imaginative post ruined by Ur inclusion of Warren. I must assume he's one of your favorites which is why your willing to just do away with the age not working, but its too big for fans to dismiss. I'm all for taking a few liberties here and there but I think thats too big to overcome. If they hadn't featured him prominently in X3 and he had a small part sure why not.

I do like Mr.Sinister being included though. My guess for the 4 horsemen are Gambit, Wolverine, and one or two characters presumed dead like Emma or Angel (female Angel). I also like the idea of Mystique working with Apocalypse but her choosing to of free will. We can use Kurt as a kid somehow being her motivation.

I guess when more characters get confirmed it will shed more light- good news is that we wont have to wait too long.
Thanks and I understand your point but Archangel is tied closely with Apocalypse & the character is visually awesome, gives the film a character to route for thats on both sides, & involves Mr. Sinister. I don't care about the Last Stand, the films timeline was corrected in DOFP and he's Warren Worthington the III who's to say Archangel won't be WW I? I definitely wouldn't bring in Ben Foster, he made that character unlikable. If you've ever seen the animated series thats the version I want in this film. I would say someone like Liam Hemsworth or Michael Ventiglimia should play Archangel.

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Heres my X-Men: Apocalypse story and characters that will be included:

After the events of DOFP we arrive in the 1980s. Xavier's school is thriving, Erik hasn't been heard from in years, & Mystique is nowhere to be found. Everything is calm on the surface but in the core of the universe a threat is bubbling.

Apocalypse, the very first mutant & most powerful of all laid dormant for eons but Logan's time travel leads to a ripple in the space time continuum that awakens the ancient mutant. He is stuck in the fabric of time as he is accidentally awoken too early. Through telepathy he contacts Nathaniel Essex, a local physicist that is intrigued with mutants & all things "out there". Apocalypse gives him the power to complete his theories of time travel & alternate dimensions. Essex is able to conjure Apocalypse back into reality and in return is granted the power of telepathy as well as being able to materialize energy.

Xavier feels something on the horizon that is very powerful but cannot fully see what is coming bc of Apocalypse's power, he blocks out telepathes from seeing his energy. He begins to assemble his X-Men team underneath the school. Scott Summers, Jean Grey, Warren Worthington, & Hank McCoy are the official first team of the new X-Men, they begin to search for Logan, Erik, & Mystique for help with the impending threat. Erik has formed a band of mutants, Mystique is still righting the wrongs of mutant damnation & Logan is missing in action presumably in the Weapon X program.

Essex now under the name Sinister forms a plan with Apocalypse to destroy the human race but Apocalypse needs more servants for his cause. He tasks Sinister with finding his new 4 Horsemen. Where else can you find powerful mutants that can fight a war? Xaviers School. Sinister transforms himself and arrives at Xaviers school scouting the talent. He's intrigued with Warren Worthington's flight ability, his encounter with Warren gives him enough time to plant the seed in his head that he can be part of a greater cause & poisons the young X Man.

Worthington can't sleep, Sinister's voice plagues his thoughts and he disappears from the school to seek out this greater cause. Arriving at Sinister's lab he is introduced to Apocalypse who turns him into the first Horseman of Apocalypse, outfitting him in a black and silver outfit & replacing his feathered wings with razor sharp vibranium wings. Warren is then tasked to find 3 more to round out the horsemen. He choose Sentry, Stryfe, & Apocalypse tasks him with tracking down Mystique to join his team of destruction.

While Archangel, Sentry, & Stryfe travel to find Mystique Xavier and the X-Men struggle to find Magneto. Charles uses cerebro to catch a beat on Erik's whereabouts and feels strongly he's forming his new Brotherhood of Mutants in New Orleans, the sudden density of mutant inhabitants leads Charles to believe Erik is up to something in Nola. Upon arriving Charles, Scott, Jean, & Hank encounter a group of Marauders & their leader, the powerful mutant known as Gambit. Gambit is reluctant to give them any info on Erik's whereabouts but after a fight he and his friend Auroro Moreau are the only ones left standing. Gambit, the survivor he is agrees to lead the X-Men to Erik and his Brotherhood on one condition, they take care of Auroro aka Storm, she was an orphan he had rescued from a secret mutant internment camp called Genosha just off the coast of New Orleans. Charles is impressed with Storm's gifts & agrees to take her in. The 6 mutants head off into the night on the words of a shifty cajun stranger.

We pick up with Erik giving a speech to a group of familiar faces, Peter & Wanda Maximoff sit at desks in the front of a classroom at an abandoned school, next to them sits Toad, Havok, Psylocke, & Fred Dukes, their plan...attack Genosha and free all the mutants held captive. We cut to Gambit fast talking & telling the X-Men he believes Erik is being held at Genosha...so he leads them there.

The short version of the story is that both groups of mutants attack Genosha running into each other in the process. Gambit was really tricking Charles & the X-Men to collect a overall bounty for anyone who could deliver mutants to Genosha. The X-Men realize this as the fighting erupts but Gambit saves the day and is reluctantly forgiven and let into the fold. While at Genosha, Logan is discovered to be there participating in the Weapon X program. He has is adamantium claws now but has no memory of the X-Men or Magneto.....not sure where to take it from here.

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Added and changed some things around, took some liberties, Singer does too tho so it is what it is.

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Thanks and I understand your point but Archangel is tied closely with Apocalypse & the character is visually awesome, gives the film a character to route for thats on both sides, & involves Mr. Sinister. I don't care about the Last Stand, the films timeline was corrected in DOFP and he's Warren Worthington the III who's to say Archangel won't be WW I? I definitely wouldn't bring in Ben Foster, he made that character unlikable. If you've ever seen the animated series thats the version I want in this film. I would say someone like Liam Hemsworth or Michael Ventiglimia should play Archangel.
I was fighting in your corner until you said Hemsworth. I know he has the Hunger Games, but he gets huge assists from Lawrence in their scenes. Have you seen his acting in other movies? Very bland and little range. If you are going to make this a key character you need someone with charisma and can act. Liam would get blown off the screen with Fassbender and McAvoy like he was with Gary Oldman and Harrison Ford.

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I was fighting in your corner until you said Hemsworth. I know he has the Hunger Games, but he gets huge assists from Lawrence in their scenes. Have you seen his acting in other movies? Very bland and little range. If you are going to make this a key character you need someone with charisma and can act. Liam would get blown off the screen with Fassbender and McAvoy like he was with Gary Oldman and Harrison Ford.
True, can't argue with you there, it's hard to think of marketable blond actors not in a super hero franchise that Fox would want in this film. The only thing I've seen Hemsworth do is get killed by Jean Claude Van Damm in Expendables 2 and even that was boring.

Archangel is gonna pop up in this film with the metal wings, who plays him then? Alexander Skarsgard? Doesn't really fit the cast.. idk someones out there that would be a perfect Warren Worthington, it's def not Ben Foster.

Garrett Hedlund fits the bill but he's also very board like. Actually the guy who played Robocop would be perfect.


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That would make sense, Mystique taking Logan to Apocalypse. They DID say that X-Men: Apocalypse was happening as a result of the events in this film, and that could be what they were referring to.
I was actually originally expecting/hoping to see Logan wake up in the AOA future after "fixing" the catalyst for the Sentinel DOFP future.

Would be a logical way to do 2 dystopian futures back to back. I've always been a fan of the "fixes" leading to whole new worlds of problems. They did similar with Bishop in TAS.
Although I loved how DOFP ended, they probably could have been a MUCH more dramatic ending having Logan wake up and look around to see he's still in a dystopia, then see Jean and Scott, etc, alive, and fighting and then we get a glimpse of something hitting/implying the Age of Apocalypse future.
They could have even not gone dystopian. It could have been the same future he woke up in the end of DOFP, and then right before the credits role, there's an attack on the school, or something else hinting at another drastic change.

Personally would rather see the Weapon X storyline done justice than seeing Apocalypse giving him the adamantium, but it would be an interesting take for an Apocalypse film.
Him waking up to a 2nd dystopian future wouldn't have fit the theme of this movie, nor the intended goal Singer had in mind for it. With DoFP, Singer clearly was making an FC sequel that acted as a love letter to his original films. You can see it in the nostalgia behind the sequence once future Logan wakes up. Also, that future brings the discussion Hank and Xavier have on Quantum theory resulting in the same outcome, and Xavier believing that the future isn't set in stone and that mankind can be shown a better way.

I know that AoA is popular. Heck, it is probably my favorite X-Men storyline of all-time. But, just because Apocalypse is in the next movie, doesn't mean you should shoehorn all those elements into the series and compromise the vision of your film. I don't think DoFP would have been better if it was just a set-up for Apocalypse film. With the way things played out, it was a better MOVIE! That is what Singer should be trying to do. Not do AoA justice, but make a great movie about Apocalypse.

I would prefer we not retread the dystopian future angle again so soon. We have X-Force and Cable who can do that. I'd rather they worry about giving us a proper send off potentially for the FC crew, and do something we haven't seen in prior films with Apocalypse.

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I always liked the way X-men Evolution handled Apocalypse.

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Can we please see jubilee in this if it does take place in the 80s ?

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I hope this is the last film for the FC cast!

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‘X-Men: Apocalypse’ Will “Certainly” Feature Original Cast Members


OMG wow. I wonder who else is in it???

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I hope this is the last film for the FC cast!
Where do we go from there then though? The OT cast are getting too old, and the new cast have been fired. Clean reboot again??

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OMG wow. I wonder who else is in it???

http://www.slashfilm.com/x-men-apoca...original-cast/
I'd put money on Apocalypse being framed by Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman recounting the story of how the X-Men formed. Its implied at the end that this sort of thing could happen

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Where do we go from there then though? The OT cast are getting too old, and the new cast have been fired. Clean reboot again?
-2-3 films with the OT cast after Wolverine 3.
-Then reboot in mid 2020s. Well it has to happen, I don't think FC cast is the future of the series and DOFP just made it clear to everyone that they are connected to the OT cast. So they'll still bring all of the baggage from the films with the OT cast.
-Then some spin-off films maybe like Deadpool inbetween the last film for OT cast/reboot so Fox wouldn't lose the rights even if the reboot takes more than 3 years after the last OT film.

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As much as I'd love another OT film, and I think we will get one, I expect the FC team to do a couple in the meantime. I think FOX is well aware of the potential of X-Force/Deadpool in the 2020s timeframe too, and by then we've actually caught up with the OT cast.

Then, maybe, it is time to completely reboot, but I'd hate to lose McAvoy so soon

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I think the fact that they are now saying some of the original cast will be in Apocalypse is just silly. It takes away from what makes DOFP special and just seems like an unnecessary rehash of what's already been done.

Just do the full focus on the younger set, develop Scott, Jean and Storm and other younger characters so they can lead the franchise from here on out.

It just sounds like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

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I think the fact that they are now saying some of the original cast will be in Apocalypse is just silly. It takes away from what makes DOFP special and just seems like an unnecessary rehash of what's already been done.

Just do the full focus on the younger set, develop Scott, Jean and Storm and other younger characters so they can lead the franchise from here on out.

It just sounds like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
Of course they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

They want to appeal both to those who wanted FC to be reboot and those who want trilogy or at very least X-Men and X2 to matter.

The new 2023 at end of DOFP already meant the films In past have to lead up to that.The fact Kinberg Is saying some of original cast will be In APocalypse
says we will see more of altered 2023 mayfor bookend sequenzes.

Since I seriously doudt there will be time travel In Apocalypse I firmly expect apart from Hugh Jackman the OT actors would be cameos.

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I think the fact that they are now saying some of the original cast will be in Apocalypse is just silly. It takes away from what makes DOFP special and just seems like an unnecessary rehash of what's already been done.

Just do the full focus on the younger set, develop Scott, Jean and Storm and other younger characters so they can lead the franchise from here on out.

It just sounds like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They probably realise that the inclusion of the original cast is part of the reason for DoFP's success.

Just compare with the box office performance of First Class.

I don't know how they will do it but they pulled off the blend of both casts really well in DoFP (with only a couple of people getting shortchanged.. Rogue removed, Bishop underused, Storm needing a bit more dialogue). So I have faith that they will be able to do in X-Men Apocalypse.

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They probably realise that the inclusion of the original cast is part of the reason for DoFP's success.

Just compare with the box office performance of First Class.
But about 90% of DOFP is centered around the First Class set and it's getting both critical and box office success.

That should at least tell them to have a little bit more confidence in them. 65% of people buying tickets through Fandango did so just because Jennifer Lawrence was in the movie. That's insane!

Give credit where credit is due - they carried this movie.

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They advertised the hell out of the future sequences and that was literally all we got, everything shown in the trailers and commercials. Adds up to 10 minutes probably, if that.

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What I want to happen is a pre credit scene showing the origin of Apocalypse and then straight into a recruiting montage for Jean, Cyclops or Storm.

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Why do people think Xmen are going to be part of the 4 horsemen? It's most likely going to be Arch Angel and 3 other people who have not been introduced yet.

If this is done right, perhaps we will see the best all out fighting since the last stand.

Also, i don't think Magneto will have a huge role in this movie maybe a cameo or 2. This will center around apoc and his 4 horsemen trying to enslave all life.

We're going to have a roster of

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I hope they retcon Angel - the male one. Ben Foster was 25 when he did TLS. In 1987, he would only be 7. The only thing that would mess with the continuity is that "10 years ago" epilogue. They should retcon it to 20 years ago like Jean's. That way he would be around 17 in 1987.

Btw, here's my line up:

Xmen:
Cyclops
Jean
Storm (horseman)
Beast
Angel (horseman)
Prof X
Wolverine

Brotherhood:
Magneto (horseman)
Mystique
Gambit (horseman)
Quicksilver
Toad
Avalanche

Apocalypse
Sinister


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Old 05-27-2014, 07:49 PM   #75
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I guess I am not too familiar with the horsemen stuff. What does it mean to be a horseman? Is it like mind control? Can someone please explain this

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