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Old 06-14-2014, 04:40 PM   #201
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Umm... When that dude said "most people" found fault with the ending /3rd act of Batman Begins.
Said faults are well documented online across message boards and written critical reviews. I'm just the messenger.

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Old 06-14-2014, 04:47 PM   #202
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Said faults are well documented online across message boards and written critical reviews. I'm just the messenger.
Ever heard the term "vocal minority"?

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Old 06-14-2014, 04:50 PM   #203
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Ever heard the term "vocal minority"?
Sure, though I don't think it applies. But that's neither here no there. I've derailed the thread long enough.

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Old 06-14-2014, 05:05 PM   #204
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Until I actually see the film or read reviews and see trailers, I am of the mind that we aren't going to get much in the way of "origin" for Diana in BvS or JL, so by default a solo film with her is needed to flesh her out more, especially if WB is looking at her as a character to exploit for a multi film franchise of her own.
I'm fine with WW's origin being somewhat mysterious in the ensemble films. But I really, really, hope she gets a proper origin told in her first solo. I suppose it could be told in flashbacks like MOS did...but SM's origin has been told multiple times on big and small screen. Not so for WW. I just wanna see fierce aerial combat with Steve and other enemy fighter pilots...Steve crashing on island and the Contest, WW returning him to man's world, etc. Could be epic, especially if they include Doom's Doorway and Ares escaping, lots of mythology and monsters.

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So after a conversation in the costume thread, it was pointed out that her costume could represent the banner of Themyscira instead of the American flag.

Here's an idea for Themyscira's flag:



Red = outside world
Yellow = divine protection from the gods
Blue = the ocean
White Stars = the main island of Themyscira and tiny surrounding islands.
Great creation. I've long hoped DC would create an Amazon flag. One suggestion: I wonder if the Amazons might believe in astrology? If so, perhaps the stars could be arranged to represent a certain star constellation?

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Great creation. I've long hoped DC would create an Amazon flag. One suggestion: I wonder if the Amazons might believe in astrology? If so, perhaps the stars could be arranged to represent a certain star constellation?
Something like that could work too. Constellations are tied to Greek mythology after all.

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Something like that could work too. Constellations are tied to Greek mythology after all.
Yeah, exactly. Greek mythos, mystical star stuff. I'm not an expert on astrology/zodiac but I googled a little bit and found this: "Aquila is a constellation in the northern sky. Its name is Latin for 'Eagle' and it represents the bird who carried Zeus/Jupiter's thunderbolts in Greco-Roman mythology."

Since the Aquila constellation is associated with Eagles and Zeus (since he's Diana's father in nu52) then maybe that'd work.

Or perhaps Andromeda, "the Ethiopian princess daughter of Cepheus, was placed as a constellation among the stars by the favor of ATHENA on account of the courage of Perseus, who saved her."

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That's not entirely true. The market speaks. The more people pay to watch a movie, the industry will create similar movies to meet those demands. So, we do influence what kind of movies get made. Not all filmmakers have a deaf ear either. Snyder and Goyer both responded to criticisms against MOS and fans have influenced movies before.

Not all discussions boil down to taste. Anytime someone brings up consensus ratings or sales they're speaking on behalf of the GA. You can argue the merits of something without resorting to taste.
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i think sensible filmmakers have learned to differentiate the kind of fan feedback they will consider versus those "h8ters" who just bellyache about everything that isnt a carbon copy of the comics. but the real problem is the idiot studio heads who couldnt tell them apart; they usually look at the noisiest (and often most ignorant) lot and then put pressure on the filmmakers to tweak things. thats when disaster happens that culminates in poor box office returns.

i've been around long enough to know that SENSIBLE fan feedback DOES WORK, and the results can be seen onscreen. but this is also a call to all the other sensible fanboys/girls-- we have to police our own ranks too. our rather myopic fandom brothers and sisters needs to be educated in the reality of telling a story through film.

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Actually none of us knows what Goyer's original script or Snyder and his team have in store as a "response" to criticism, real or imagined, or if they will change any thing at all because of "the fans".

And as I like to point out... Snyder was known as "the slo mo guy that uses fantasy, over the top production design". Was the speed, visceral action, pacing/editing, and color palette/grounded look a reaction to what was said about his perceived style? Be careful fans, of what you wish for... Snyder might actually give it to us.

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