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Old 06-15-2014, 05:05 PM   #51
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Kinberg doesn't challenge the notion of FC as a reboot.That Immedetly causes the notion you should just throw out trilogy and wolverine films In relation to FC and DOFP.

The fact Is renforced by notion he considered for 1 second using kelly and the fact rachel Summers was In first draft.

Kinberg Is also casting doudt on his own statements of some Original films actors In APocalypse with his that DOFP may be last time Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen part of franchise.Obviously Hugh jackman Is exception to that.

If you also go by Kinberg account you can also make cast DOFP was only made because of avengers.Kinberg's comments of outline done 2 years before release says outline was only done after avengers was released back In 2012.

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Old 06-15-2014, 05:12 PM   #52
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DoFP is the new Year Zero. Everything flows from that moment.

First Class came before it, but it's quite clear DoFP has 'set the table' for everything to follow.

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Old 06-15-2014, 05:19 PM   #53
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There are only 2 X-Men films in series now till new ones come out-FC and DOFP.

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Lol no.

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Old 06-16-2014, 11:50 AM   #55
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There are only 2 X-Men films in series now till new ones come out-FC and DOFP.
Technically no, since you have to have the other movies in order to set up DOFP and Wolverine going back in time.

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There are seven films in this series so far. Enjoy whatever ones you want. Why do we have to dictate to each other what movies you need/needn't ignore? This has been going on long before DoFP even came out.

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Like Hamill Joker said, all the other films had to happen in order to get to DOFP but I agree with JP in that if you hate some of those films that much you can now choose to start a fresh with the ending of DOFP

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Old 06-16-2014, 01:51 PM   #58
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Kinberg's own comments and way he reacts to host are saying it's best to completly disregard Trilogy and wolverine films with regards to FC and DOFP.

It doesn't matter how old Jean and Cyclops were In Last stand and origins and when those past events In films took place since only2 films matter now.It's just like NuStar Trek In that regard.

Kinberg's comments also say he may have been full of it when he claimed Some OT cast would be In Apocalypse.Inless Hugh jackman equas some OT cast.

Kinberg Is strongly hitting FC and DOFP are completly seperate from other films despite claims of DOFP as inbetweeneual and beinf followup to both first class and trilogy.

Going Into Apocalypse only FC and DOFP will be relvent.

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Do you ever give it a rest? His comments don't hint to anything of the sort - the original movies HAD to happen in order for DOFP to happen and make sense.

What he's saying is that basically DOFP reset everything so now they are free to do whatever they want in the past without having to line-up with things that happened in the original trilogy.

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Do you ever give it a rest? His comments don't hint to anything of the sort - the original movies HAD to happen in order for DOFP to happen and make sense.

What he's saying is that basically DOFP reset everything so now they are free to do whatever they want in the past without having to line-up with things that happened in the original trilogy.


I almost want to repeat what I just said…

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X1 could possibly play out exactly the same way, even with Mystique and Magneto together. Even if not, are you ignoring the future parts of DOFP? They keep saying "the war is coming" in X1+2 and it finally is here in DOFP. Wolverine has his memories from the OT and TW, so it still exists, youre just not thinking 4th dimensionally

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Kinberg doesn't challenge the notion of FC as a reboot.That Immedetly causes the notion you should just throw out trilogy and wolverine films In relation to FC and DOFP.
How can First Class be a reboot if it has the same opening scene from X1? That it has Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn as cameos? That it borrowed characters from X3 and Origins such as Beast, Emma Frost, and Moira Mctaggert? In some ways, this movie acknowledges that it is a prequel to the X-men trilogy but at the same time, it contradicts every information that was established in the trilogy (along with X-Men Origins: Wolverine). That is why Bryan Singer made Days of Future Past to tell audience that the X-Men trilogy and the Wolverine films share the same timeline as FC and DOFP until the ending to DOFP when the timeline has been changed.

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Exactly!

And Kinberg's words aren't the holy grail. We saw DOFP and we found out that all films are connected.

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X1 could possibly play out exactly the same way, even with Mystique and Magneto together. Even if not, are you ignoring the future parts of DOFP? They keep saying "the war is coming" in X1+2 and it finally is here in DOFP. Wolverine has his memories from the OT and TW, so it still exists, youre just not thinking 4th dimensionally
Except Events of X-men can't happen now.Mutants were exposed to world In 1973.Mystique may not even be villain anymore in films.

Everything about sentinles and future were tied to original version of 1973
not anything from non-FC films.

The X-Men films from now on may be peroid pieces so wolverine In 2023 having memories of non-FC films Is ilrelvent.We may never see that version again.

DOFP Is trek 2009 of X-men films.The difference being FC Is still In cannon and with trek even enterprise Isn't In cannon with NuFilms.Hugh Jackman Is leonard nimoy counterpart.

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How can First Class be a reboot if it has the same opening scene from X1? That it has Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romijn as cameos? That it borrowed characters from X3 and Origins such as Beast, Emma Frost, and Moira Mctaggert? In some ways, this movie acknowledges that it is a prequel to the X-men trilogy but at the same time, it contradicts every information that was established in the trilogy (along with X-Men Origins: Wolverine). That is why Bryan Singer made Days of Future Past to tell audience that the X-Men trilogy and the Wolverine films share the same timeline as FC and DOFP until the ending to DOFP when the timeline has been changed.
You just listed the problems with FC.

It could be argured DOFP was made 1:To create X-Me answer to avengers and 2:To use OT cast to help bolster FC Films box office.

DOFP really doesn't address much of contunity problems FC has with other films it just erases the other films that create any problems with FC.

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I'm not sure if you're just not reading anyone's replies or just winding us up, but this has been going on for far too long.

The timeline is thus;

First Class
Origins
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which causes a fracture in the timeline which creates an alternate timeline

FC
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DOFP ending

That's it. That's all we have. All films are valid, and everything is up for grabs from now on. Case closed my friend

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DOFP erases everything non FC with exception of Ending of DOFP.

The other films may have been valid going into DOFP but they aren't anymore by end of film.

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that isn't necessarily true, as we saw with rogues streak at the end of the film. some of the things from the OT may have still happened but in a slightly different way.

All the films still exist in their continuity so it is purely just something that has now worked out for some people who dont want to consider x3 and origins part of that continuity by letting them think that in particular those two films outcomes are 'erased'

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that isn't necessarily true, as we saw with rogues streak at the end of the film. some of the things from the OT may have still happened but in a slightly different way.

All the films still exist in their continuity so it is purely just something that has now worked out for some people who dont want to consider x3 and origins part of that continuity by letting them think that in particular those two films outcomes are 'erased'
Rogue's white streak doesn't mean the event of X-Men happened after the time travel events of DOFP.It means In 2023 she has white streak she had In Comics.

If things audence saw onscreen didn't happen as seen that means they are erased.

The empire timeline Is out the window with 1983 date announced as date for Apocalypse.That also means we have no idea of when a lot of trilogy,Origins,and the wolverine are suspose to have taken place.

It's not just Last Stand and Origins that are gone.It's X-Men,X2,and The Wolverine that Is gone too.

They want to disregard Last stand and Origins yet they still forced connection to those films by having clips from those films In DOFP.

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Nothing is gone. Wolverine's remembers everything from Origins onward. For DOFP to happen, the trilogy had to happen.

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Kitty even says at the start of the movie that whatever changes, the only one who will remember the original timeline was Logan. And he still remembers it at the end of DOFP, so all of that stuff had to happen.

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Right so moving forward if we see more future Logan, he will be the same Logan from the OT and The Wolverine film.

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Kitty even says at the start of the movie that whatever changes, the only one who will remember the original timeline was Logan. And he still remembers it at the end of DOFP, so all of that stuff had to happen.
Xavier remembers the original timeline as well. His younger self saw the future events from Logan's thoughts which why future Xavier knew that future Logan's consciousness had returned to his future body.

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That too, although he is only acutely aware of what happened

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