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Old 01-19-2015, 04:14 PM   #1
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So someone else posted a thread about the Legacy Virus, kind of indicating that it should be used within the upcoming Aocalypse movie. Personally I disagree, though it did get me thinking about how the Techno-Organic Virus would be an interesting plot point.

So first, lets recap what we know, per canon, about the Techno-Organic Virus for those who may not know, or for whom it's been a while...

The Techno-Organic Virus turns living material into technology. The converted lifeform continues to live and function, but becomes driven by the desire to spread the virus to other life forms. There is no known antidote, although certain powers can hold it in check. The Techno-Organic Virus also has the ability to re-animate dead life.

The exact origin of the virus is unclear, though there are some characters that are fully intertined with the virus, including Apocalypse and Cable.



Apocalypse first became aware of the virus when a young time-travelor (Natham Summers), calling himself the Traveler, went back in time.



Nathan and Apocalypse battled and Ozymandias, Apocalypse's servant, got ahold of some of Nathan's blood.



He took Apocalypse's body to a "Celestial Ship" that Apocalypse had come across, but he was unable to understand or communicate with it. Ozymandius mixed Nathan's blood with the Techno-Organic Virus and used it to heal Apocalypse in a chamber of the ship by infecting him with the virus. This allowed Apocalypse to understand the ship.



Many years later Apocalypse infected Nathan Christopher Charles Summers as an infant, with the virus, forcing his parents



to transport him to the future, where he grew up to be Cable.

Apocalypse also used the virus to turn Warren Worthington III, the X-Man Angel, who had been beaten by the Mauraders during the Mutant Massacre (they had been sent there by Mr. Sinister



who used the future X-Man Gambit to lead the Marauders there) to the point that his wings needed amputation, into his Horseman Death, named Archangel.



I think it's also important to note that the Phalanx share many similarities with those who have contracted the virus. I only note this as it could end up being a story point in any X-Men movie that might include the Techno-Organic Virus.



Also, there have been numerous others who have tried to use the virus against the X-Men or mankind, including Bastion, Stryfe (clone of Cable's) and Selene.


So, the reason I provided all of this background is to show just how integral the T-O Virus is to Apocalypse and how integral the T-O Virus is to so many other stories, including, and especially, Cable.

We know that Cable will be coming to the big screen at some point, so it might make a lot of sense to introduce the T-O Virus sooner than later, whether or not Nathan is brought itno things now or later.

So first, let me say that I can't see them bringing Cable into this movie in any significant way. My reasoning for this is due to how much they will need to focus on characters like Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, and the kids. So I'm not expecting to see a baby Nathan being infected at this point.

But, the T-O Virus could be used very well in this movie as either a major plot point (that leads to future movies, such as one with Cable) or as a means by which Apocalypse "survives" in the end.

So, at this point, let me stop and simply ask, could you see the T-O Virus being used in this Apocalypse movie, and if so, how? Do you think it could possibly be a major part of the story, or would it just be something that is used as a means to set up future movies? Would we see it in the main story, or would it be a post credits type thing?

As far as other speculation of mine, I'll add that later once this discussion gets going, but let me say that a Cable origin story could easily include two of the beloved OT cast, James Marsden and Famke Jaansen...


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Old 01-19-2015, 05:34 PM   #2
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I actually think that the legacy virus would be better than this, it could play into AIDS and would be fitting with the real world stories that they seem to be incorporating with these films. I think having it that it is seen as a disease that effects mutants would be really hard hitting because it shows thats how AIDS was seen, that a group of misfits was hit by it.

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Old 01-19-2015, 09:31 PM   #3
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It is somewhat important to Cable, though I suspect his origins will be simplified. (Damn Summers family tree)

It is no where near important to Apocalypse.

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Old 01-20-2015, 09:40 AM   #4
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^ I agree that the T-O Virus isn't necessary for Apocalypse, unless they want to change his appearance, but even then they could change it to some other reason (alien techmology or something).

But you're right, for Cable the T-O Virus is critical, which is part of why I started this thread. We all know that they are looking to go forward with a movie that includes Cable in the not so distant future. So in that regard wouldn't it make sense to include the T-O Virus now to set it up for later?

At the same time, one thing I can see that the fanboys would absolutely love is a Cable origin story that is set in the OT using Jean Grey and Scott Summers (Famke and James). It would bring back some of the OT cast, which some people are begging for. It could be the whole Askani'son storyline.

The drawback is this...

If they kill off Apocalypse in this film then he wouldn't be usable in an OT timeline origin movie (that would include future and past elements). With him being so critical to Cable's origin it makes me think that at the emd of Apocalypse he will be defeated, but not gone for good.

One big question that plays into all of this is whether or not Mr. Sinister will make it into this one???

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Old 01-20-2015, 05:21 PM   #5
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I have the feeling that they may go a more ancient/mystical route with Apocalypse (first mutant and everything) rather than technological.

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Old 01-21-2015, 09:49 AM   #6
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^ So you're thiking he's going to be just a powerful mutant and not somehow enhanced through alien technology?

I guess I could see that, but it takes away a couple of things.

It takes away the set up for Cable, as explained above. We know they are heading towards Cable at some point, but they could easily make it someone else who created the T-O Virus. Someone like Sinister, I guess. Or they could just make Cable a Cyborg, but that would take a lot away from his origin story, IMO.

Next, it takes away a main way to defeat Apocalypse. See, if it's just him having a crazy power then they have to overcome it through teamwork, or what have you. Yes, that is a very standard, and at times boring storyline. But, if he's just a powerful mutant (first or otherwise) who is augmented through alien technology, then if the team finds a way to remove or diminish the technology they bring the villain down to an acceptible level where he can be defeated.

Both make sense in different ways. I just really like the idea of Apocalypse regenerating through technology, making him so long lived, which is very much per canon. Sure they could make it where he has been alive since ancient Egypt, but he doesn't seem like the type to hide, so why wouldn't he have been trying to rule all along. Apocalypse is a major force, and him awakening in this timeline, when he didn't in the original, makes a lot of sense. And that would mean technology. Not necessarily the T-O Virus, but at least something...

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It makes the most sense for the technology to be developed by Apocalypse himself. The whole Celestial stuff kind of takes away from his story, imo.

And we don't know his backstory yet. Apocalypse didn't go from ancient Egypt to the 80s. There were various times he woke up to check out the world. I imagine they may do the same here.

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^ I'm all for them showing him being "awake" throughout time, especially if it's used to introduce Sinister in this movie.

Sinister and Apocalypse are so intwined in the comics that I hope they put that into this story in order to set up Sinister for a future movie.

I also agree that the "celestial" technology isn't necessary, but it would be pretty cool to see Apocalypse in ancient Egypt and him finding an alien ship, which he then uses his powers (telekenetics in this case - per the after credits scene) to hide. Ultimately it's shown that the Great Pyramids of Giza were created by Apocalypse and is where he slumbers (using that alien technology) and is where he is awoken from.

Also, if Sinister is introduced, and knowing Gambit's and Sinister's relationship in the comics, how cool would it be if we learn (after credits scene) that Gambit was sent to Apocalypse's "lair" in order to steal something (him being a master thief and all), which turns out to be the T-O Virus, thus setting up a future movie with Cable and kind of following canon with Gambit "working for" Sinister...

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