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Old 05-29-2014, 03:54 PM   #1
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Default Basically in Timeline Prime mutants hid for 40 years

Without Trask and his genius, they took 50 years to develop useful Sentinels.

There must have been ONE EPISODE where the X-Men faced the Sentinels, before Wolverine would even join the team (2005). The simulation of the Danger Room at the beginning of X3 was based on this earlier encounter. They were just giant robots with no powers whatsoever. I'm pretty sure the X-Men (Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Jean Grey, Emma Silverfox) kicked the crap out of them.

Said that, mutants hid from public eye for 40 years. Supposedly, Magneto escaped from his prison in early eighties, joining Xavier for a brief/long truce, but he did not commit any terrorist attack in the nineties anyway. Or... if he really tried, the pre-Wolverine X-Men stopped him.

The events of the original trilogy are really the start and the further development of the "mutant issue" for the general public. Nobody knew one mutant killed Trask in January 1973. Nobody knew they pretended that Erik Lehnsherr killed JFK.

What do you think about it?

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Old 05-29-2014, 03:58 PM   #2
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I wouldn't try to hard trying to figure out the timeline of these X-Men films. This is basically the timeline in a nutshell after all the films.


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I think after first class the Government knew about Mutants but many of the politicians seemed skeptical (hence why they did not want sentinels).

After Trask is killed, the one man who was pretty much awake for all of it was Stryker. I think that developed an interest in mutants and then when his son came along he sent him to Xavier for help but Xavier could not do anything. So instead of having a general interest he starts hating them and starts experimenting them (getting them to trust him through his mutant team *if you want to include XMO*).

Anyways, the government knew about Mutants but basically did not do anything about them because they benefited from their services. The Kelly comes along who knows about them and just does not like them so he brings it out to the open and thus we see X1)

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I really do not care about the timeline. I don't think they were ever trying to build a cohesive series of events like Star Wars. The first X-Men movie is the way it is because it was the first X-Men movie. They could do whatever they wanted. With each sequel, they do face errors in continuity, but that shouldn't keep them from telling the story they want to tell. These aren't history lessons, they're movies.

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I really do not care about the timeline. I don't think they were ever trying to build a cohesive series of events like Star Wars. The first X-Men movie is the way it is because it was the first X-Men movie. They could do whatever they wanted. With each sequel, they do face errors in continuity, but that shouldn't keep them from telling the story they want to tell. These aren't history lessons, they're movies.
True, but I have fun trying to make connections, even if there arnt an lol

It's all Origins: Wolverine fault! lol...well to be honest Singer said they took liberates with First Class to tell that story so...

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Without Trask and his genius, they took 50 years to develop useful Sentinels.

There must have been ONE EPISODE where the X-Men faced the Sentinels, before Wolverine would even join the team (2005). The simulation of the Danger Room at the beginning of X3 was based on this earlier encounter. They were just giant robots with no powers whatsoever. I'm pretty sure the X-Men (Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Jean Grey, Emma Silverfox) kicked the crap out of them.

Said that, mutants hid from public eye for 40 years. Supposedly, Magneto escaped from his prison in early eighties, joining Xavier for a brief/long truce, but he did not commit any terrorist attack in the nineties anyway. Or... if he really tried, the pre-Wolverine X-Men stopped him.

The events of the original trilogy are really the start and the further development of the "mutant issue" for the general public. Nobody knew one mutant killed Trask in January 1973. Nobody knew they pretended that Erik Lehnsherr killed JFK.

What do you think about it?
The way the sentinel program is in the DOFP cleverly has them ingrained in the past but manages to also explain why they weren't in the original trilogy.

Original timeline: Trask proposes the Sentinel program and congress denies it. Mystique discovers his research and kills him, but in the process creates a mistrust and fear of mutants. Anti-mutant sentiment spreads over the years until decades later, his work with the Sentinels is finally made a reality as Prof. X and Magneto recruit Wolverine in the airport. Ten years later, the Sentinels have wiped out the world and Wolverine is sent back in time to change history.

There were no Sentinels until 2023 in the original timeline as Congress denied the program and Trasks prototypes sat in a warehouse somewhere rusting

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I wouldn't try to hard trying to figure out the timeline of these X-Men films. This is basically the timeline in a nutshell after all the films.
Disagreed. There were inconsistencies and some contradictions but overall it wasn't as screwed up as people like to think.

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Old 05-29-2014, 05:02 PM   #7
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They probably reactivated the Sentinel program in secret after the Golden Gate bridge got destroyed, though on the surface mutants and humans were seen helping each other rebuild it. Then they launched the Sentinels after those events that are described in the 25 moments thing.

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I agree with the title of this thread. Singer explains a lot of it in DoFP by having Charles in depression and Erik in prison. He also states that a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a percent of people are mutants at that time. 0.001% of approximately 210,000,000 or maybe a little over 2,100 people in the US.

Even if that grew exponentially throughout the next 20 years. I would say it wouldnt be until around 2005 that we would see major conflicts in these areas. You're right, mutants would be hiding.

And I agree with the above poster. The hardcore sentinel program was put into motion after the Golden Gate bridge incident. Jean and Magneto's displays of power combined with the realization that the cure doesn't work would've certainly been enough to pull the trigger.

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Without Trask and his genius, they took 50 years to develop useful Sentinels.

There must have been ONE EPISODE where the X-Men faced the Sentinels, before Wolverine would even join the team (2005). The simulation of the Danger Room at the beginning of X3 was based on this earlier encounter. They were just giant robots with no powers whatsoever. I'm pretty sure the X-Men (Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Jean Grey, Emma Silverfox) kicked the crap out of them.

Said that, mutants hid from public eye for 40 years. Supposedly, Magneto escaped from his prison in early eighties, joining Xavier for a brief/long truce, but he did not commit any terrorist attack in the nineties anyway. Or... if he really tried, the pre-Wolverine X-Men stopped him.

The events of the original trilogy are really the start and the further development of the "mutant issue" for the general public. Nobody knew one mutant killed Trask in January 1973. Nobody knew they pretended that Erik Lehnsherr killed JFK.

What do you think about it?
1973, mutants make up 0.01 % of the population. Mutants in India become Muslim priests who kill all pigs (I can say this, see, because I'm... MUSLIM!). When Mystique kills Trask, it's only in front of Vietnamese and Chinese officials. Nixon hides it up, passes the Sentinel act but only for terror, so FBI stuff. Other countries buy them. Sentinels are deployed the first time in America during the Wall Street Riots.

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As Quicksilver says "Who would believe you?"

And that's why no-one knows, because the concept is ludicrous, people deny it

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I just don't get why people keep saying the Emma Silverfox character was on the X-Men team. Nothing confirms that. In regards to them encountering Sentinels, it's difficult to say due to the continuity errors.

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I just don't get why people keep saying the Emma Silverfox character was on the X-Men team. Nothing confirms that. In regards to them encountering Sentinels, it's difficult to say due to the continuity errors.
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Blackout is correct. She's not in the film.

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I'm really confused. I thought that diamond chick at the end of Origins was Emma Frost because well she could turn into diamonds like Emma. Now she's Emma Silverfox?

Was she really in DOFP?

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I'm really confused. I thought that diamond chick at the end of Origins was Emma Frost because well she could turn into diamonds like Emma. Now she's Emma Silverfox?

Was she really in DOFP?
I think originally in the promotional material for the film she was listed as Emma Frost. However, after the film came out, one of the producers that that it wasn't her and that she had no relation to the character we see in First Class.
She wasn't in DOFP though.

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People are still bringing up this Emma Silverfox after what happened in DOFP?

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Without Trask and his genius, they took 50 years to develop useful Sentinels.

There must have been ONE EPISODE where the X-Men faced the Sentinels, before Wolverine would even join the team (2005). The simulation of the Danger Room at the beginning of X3 was based on this earlier encounter. They were just giant robots with no powers whatsoever. I'm pretty sure the X-Men (Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Jean Grey, Emma Silverfox) kicked the crap out of them.

Said that, mutants hid from public eye for 40 years. Supposedly, Magneto escaped from his prison in early eighties, joining Xavier for a brief/long truce, but he did not commit any terrorist attack in the nineties anyway. Or... if he really tried, the pre-Wolverine X-Men stopped him.

The events of the original trilogy are really the start and the further development of the "mutant issue" for the general public. Nobody knew one mutant killed Trask in January 1973. Nobody knew they pretended that Erik Lehnsherr killed JFK.

What do you think about it?
In original timeline Trask dies in 1973 and Sentinels released in 2008 and took X-Institut. Not exactly 40 years but 35. Angel dies, later Beast dies.

X-men Origins shows many students are recruited by Xavier but formers x-men are Beast Jean Cyclops and Storm. No indications about Emma Fox or others

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I still don't get why the Sentinels took over the mansion. Surely there was a pitched battle there? It seems bizarre

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Maybe they were using the Cerebro to track down more mutants?

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I suppose, it just seems like the public would be up in arms when the Mk1 Sentinels took over a school...

And then why did the X-Men scatter? Presumably this is why we find Logan in Japan?

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I think the X-Men scattered in 2010/2011, 2/3 years before The Wolverine.

Thank you so much for the positive feedback, if you don't mind I used some concepts of yours for my FIXES excerpt focused on "Knowledge of mutants".

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After the event of DOFP, the past was changed. Does this mean Apocalypse never reappeared in the original timeline ? Everything played out as XO, X1-3 and TW ?

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Presumably something that happened due to the timeline being changed resulted in awakening Apocalypse

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Good call!


P.s: by the way, this turned out as being a great thread. Thank you everyone. So many nice people here, except maybe Danoyse. I hate hostility for the sake of it.

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