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Old 06-10-2014, 11:00 PM   #76
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When it comes to people taking pictures I hope they get some nice shots in focus - should be pretty easy with the latest digital cameras (even the Nikon P600 has a 60x zoom.)

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When it comes to people taking pictures I hope they get some nice shots in focus - should be pretty easy with the latest digital cameras (even the Nikon P600 has a 60x zoom.)
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Maybe a scene in the movie is Luthor unveiling the statue in honor of Superman? While behind the scenes he is plotting the downfall of Superman with the aid of Metallo? The scene could have kids and adults in Superman shirts (queue tie-in for the movie.)

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Well, if Jessie's Lex is written in a manner where he believably becomes a big enough threat that would give both Superman and Batman a hard time, then he'll officially revive the character after having been treated like a joke, for the most part, in previous films.

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Well, if Jessie's Lex is written in a manner where he believably becomes a big enough threat that would give both Superman and Batman a hard time, then he'll officially revive the character after having been treated like a joke, for the most part, in previous films.
That's one of the unknown questions about BvS: Dawn of Justice. Will the new Luthor really be a threat to Superman? Can the character hold his own in individual scenes as well in scenes with the superheroes? Will the character bring anything new to the screen or just be a mix-match of elements from other films (much in the same way Man of Steel just retreaded STM and SII to a large extent.)

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That's one of the unknown questions about BvS: Dawn of Justice. Will the new Luthor really be a threat to Superman? Can the character hold his own in individual scenes as well in scenes with the superheroes? Will the character bring anything new to the screen or just be a mix-match of elements from other films (much in the same way Man of Steel just retreaded STM and SII to a large extent.)
Luthor should always be a threat Superman or any hero, that can't be dealt with just by punching him out.

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That's one of the unknown questions about BvS: Dawn of Justice. Will the new Luthor really be a threat to Superman? Can the character hold his own in individual scenes as well in scenes with the superheroes? Will the character bring anything new to the screen or just be a mix-match of elements from other films (much in the same way Man of Steel just retreaded STM and SII to a large extent.)
Suggesting that mos didn't bring anything new to the superman character but simply retreaded? I thought that was Returns.

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Suggesting that mos didn't bring anything new to the superman character but simply retreaded? I thought that was Returns.
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MOS certainly brought new elements to the character. Suggesting otherwise doesn't make any sense to me.

I doubt Lex in BvS will be a retread.

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If its so easy for a city to be rebuilt (like within a week) then why worry about the city being destroyed in the first place?
Because it costs money and resources.

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Because it costs money and resources.
Not if you're Superman and your main backer for rebuild is Lex Luthor or Billionaire Bruce Wayne....with their money buying the material, Superman could rebuild the destroyed part of Metropolis faster than a train...faster even!

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The worry comes from the death toll and impact on lives/economies/ways of life etc.
Physically rebuilding cities in comic book worlds might not actually take as long as it does in the real world due to various reasons.

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That's one of the unknown questions about BvS: Dawn of Justice. Will the new Luthor really be a threat to Superman? Can the character hold his own in individual scenes as well in scenes with the superheroes? Will the character bring anything new to the screen or just be a mix-match of elements from other films (much in the same way Man of Steel just retreaded STM and SII to a large extent.)
This is why one of my favorite scenarios for the film involves Lex and Bruce working together on anti- Superman devices only for Bruce to realize he's partnered with the worst possible person for this job, and then Lex sets the two heroes up to fight so he can prep his last stage of his plan for maximum impact.

If Lex can manipulate and exploit both heroes, he's immediately shooting up to the big leagues in the public minds instead of being the real estate tycoon joke. Then he just needs to be shown still winning somehow after the climax; either by gaining new technology or backstabbing a fellow villain.

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I think Lex needs to be presented as an orator of the highest magnitude -- the type who can command an audience and steer/manipulate them into perpetrating even the most unspeakable of acts. His speeches should have an almost hypnotic quality to them.

Supes and Batman would essentially be facing a new kind of threat they aren't accustomed to dealing with -- a power that doesn't stem from physicality but from evil in its most undiluted form.

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I think Lex needs to be presented as an orator of the highest magnitude -- the type who can command an audience and steer/manipulate them into perpetrating even the most unspeakable of acts. His speeches should have an almost hypnotic quality to them.

Supes and Batman would essentially be facing a new kind of threat they aren't accustomed to dealing with -- a power that doesn't stem from physicality but from evil in its most undiluted form.
Now that would be an awesome portrayal of Lex in flesh and blood

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So since there will be outdoor photography sometime tomorrow or day after, what are the odds that we get an official pic of Luthor, or Superman or whoever is involved in the outdoor shoot to head off spy pics?

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So since there will be outdoor photography sometime tomorrow or day after, what are the odds that we get an official pic of Luthor, or Superman or whoever is involved in the outdoor shoot to head off spy pics?
Luthor may not have any outdoor scenes this week. And I heard he didn't start filming until the 12th...

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I'm surprised the extras haven't been given some idea of the scene they'll be shooting. there have been fittings for wardrobe for them right?

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Don't know. Haven't heard anything

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Suggesting that mos didn't bring anything new to the superman character but simply retreaded? I thought that was Returns.
It brought some new elements (MOS) but it also retreaded elements from the first two Donner films. Same with Superman Returns (which tried to do a continuation but failed because of the lack of chemistry.)

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I'm surprised the extras haven't been given some idea of the scene they'll be shooting. there have been fittings for wardrobe for them right?
I was an extra on TDKR. The final scene when the mob clashes with the cops. I was in the mob. They didn't tell us anything about the scene as such or where it would occur in the movie. All they told us was to come for fitting the day before the filming, then they gave us a description of the scene. It was boilerplate. The day of filming, they chose around 20-25 people from the mob and the cops to do the close quarter hand to hand, these are the people Batman walks through. The rest of us were just told "Rush towards one another, and pretend fight". That was it, the only time the other extras would be on camera was in the rushing scene.

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This is why one of my favorite scenarios for the film involves Lex and Bruce working together on anti- Superman devices only for Bruce to realize he's partnered with the worst possible person for this job, and then Lex sets the two heroes up to fight so he can prep his last stage of his plan for maximum impact.

If Lex can manipulate and exploit both heroes, he's immediately shooting up to the big leagues in the public minds instead of being the real estate tycoon joke. Then he just needs to be shown still winning somehow after the climax; either by gaining new technology or backstabbing a fellow villain.
I'd give a big no to Bruce and Lex working together - Batman is many things but he shouldnt be portrayed as somebody who is naive. Remember the press release - he's older and wiser.

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It brought some new elements (MOS) but it also retreaded elements from the first two Donner films. Same with Superman Returns (which tried to do a continuation but failed because of the lack of chemistry.)
MOS didn't retread in a way that was comparable to SR. Even events that were similar in MOS looked different and were mixed in with new elements. Saying it brought "some new elements" is an understatement.

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MOS didn't retread in a way that was comparable to SR. Even events that were similar in MOS looked different and were mixed in with new elements. Saying it brought "some new elements" is an understatement.
When it comes to BvS I have a check-list of things I want to see (some of which are): Lois/Clark dynamic - this needs serious effort. More Daily Planet scenes - also more Metropolis. It needs to be showcased as a great city - a distinct city - not generic. Superman who doubts his actions from the first movie - which would logically include nightmares. After all if this scene is supposed to be the reason why he will never kill again it needs some credence - not just skimming over it like MOS did.

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