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Old 07-15-2014, 06:58 AM   #101
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It's easy to ignore his doubt since most of us are quite used to Batman existing in a universe with characters even more out there than Superman.
I'll just pretend that he's under the impression that this is a continuation of the Nolan movies.

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Ehhh i love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but Nolan/Bale's Batman himself is pretty lame to me. I don't want this next Batman to be anything like that Batman.

I want this Batman to be fully committed to his crusade and not constantly look for ways to quit, for one thing.

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Nolan does interesting ideas more than he does interesting characters ... he doesn't have many interesting characters actually.

Within TDKT, what was interesting was the idea of Batman, not Batman himself.

Which is perfectly legitimate.

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Why would Warner Bros. care what Gary Oldman has to say about the movie? He's entitled to his opinion.

It's not his job to promote positivity with the film, but regardless, news is news and as long as people are talking the WB is happy.
Its one thing for a fan to criticize something but when a prominent actor makes comments, well the studios often notice things like that. And having headlines like Oldman isnt optimistic/is skeptical about Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice going global would make a studio less than thrilled.

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Nolan does interesting ideas more than he does interesting characters ... he doesn't have many interesting characters actually.

Within TDKT, what was interesting was the idea of Batman, not Batman himself.

Which is perfectly legitimate.
That's actually a great way of putting it.

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It's easy to ignore his doubt since most of us are quite used to Batman existing in a universe with characters even more out there than Superman.
I'll just pretend that he's under the impression that this is a continuation of the Nolan movies.
It's entirely possible that Snyder and Goyer were originally hoping to have this take place 15 years after TFKR, with Bale returning.

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Ehhh i love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but Nolan/Bale's Batman himself is pretty lame to me. I don't want this next Batman to be anything like that Batman.

I want this Batman to be fully committed to his crusade and not constantly look for ways to quit, for one thing.
I cant really fault Nolan's Batman universe too much. Sure the voice was over the top, but then I suppose Batman should have an intense growl when he speaks. And Bale as Batman has a lot of screen presence. When he is in the cowl, or not, he carried his own. Again not easy considering how many versions of Batman there have been.

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Its one thing for a fan to criticize something but when a prominent actor makes comments, well the studios often notice things like that. And having headlines like Oldman isnt optimistic/is skeptical about Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice going global would make a studio less than thrilled.
With less than two years out from the movie... I'm pretty sure WB aren't too worried about one actor's mild opinion on these two characters.

Oldman doesn't even have any upcoming WB films to promote. He's entitled to his opinion and WB will gladly let him have it while also drumming up more free publicity for the movie.

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I can't fault Bale's performances. But i just didn't like how Batman was portrayed in certain aspects.

Not saying it's not a valid portrayal. Batman has been portrayed various ways throughout the years. But it doesn't mean i have to like it.

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It's entirely possible that Snyder and Goyer were originally hoping to have this take place 15 years after TFKR, with Bale returning.
Reportedly the studio tried to entice Bale to continue as Batman but he just wasnt interested. Neither was Affleck interestedly enough when first asked about becoming the new Batman. He had to be convinced to sign onto the film as the new Bruce Wayne/Batman. Affleck has already tried to put some distance between his Batman from the previous with Affleck commenting "the idea for the new Batman is to redefine him in a way that doesn't compete with the Bale and Chris Nolan Batman but still exists within the Batman canon."

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I can't fault Bale's performances. But i just didn't like how Batman was portrayed in certain aspects.

Not saying it's not a valid portrayal. Batman has been portrayed various ways throughout the years. But it doesn't mean i have to like it.
Bale's Batman was intense; maybe too much in some scenes. But then with actors like Ledger bringing a whole new dimension on screen with his role as The Joker, its probably just as well they went all out. Sure, I might not like to watch the entire trilogy all the time, but I like the first movie in the series quite a bit. When I want a less than intense but still thrilling Batman to watch, I usually put on Batman 89.

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Reportedly the studio tried to entice Bale to continue as Batman but he just wasnt interested. Neither was Affleck interestedly enough when first asked about becoming the new Batman. He had to be convinced to sign onto the film as the new Bruce Wayne/Batman. Affleck has already tried to put some distance between his Batman from the previous with Affleck commenting "the idea for the new Batman is to redefine him in a way that doesn't compete with the Bale and Chris Nolan Batman but still exists within the Batman canon."
They would be making statements like that regardless of what happened.

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Eh, we can't really know what WB planned or discussed early on but I just kinda doubt they meant to ever make Batfleck the same one from the Nolan movies.
Especially given how Rises ended.

Maybe they thought an older Batman would help ease the general audience into a new Bruce even though it was a different canon.
but otherwise, I'll just go with it being Snyder/Goyer's own vision.

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Eh, we can't really know what WB planned or discussed early on but I just kinda doubt they meant to ever make Batfleck the same one from the Nolan movies.
Especially given how Rises ended.

Maybe they thought an older Batman would help ease the general audience into a new Bruce even though it was a different canon.
but otherwise, I'll just go with it being Snyder/Goyer's own vision.
The ending to Rises was odd. Even Dennis O'Neil didnt like it. Interestingly, had he realized (at the time) when he was at an exclusive screening of the film that Nolan was seated nearby, he would have told him to change the ending. That it didnt fit with the rest of the movie!

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From a marketing perspective, having BvS be 15 years after TDKR, with Bale having returned but angry and weary, to fight against Cav-El in a Dark Knight Returns style storyline, would have been epic.

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Bale was never coming back as Batman for anyone but Nolan at the helm.

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From a marketing perspective, having BvS be 15 years after TDKR, with Bale having returned but angry and weary, to fight against Cav-El in a Dark Knight Returns style storyline, would have been epic.
That would have been very cool! Can just imagine, Bale weary as Batman donning the mask once more. "He has to be stopped Alfred." Plus to see a war-torn Gotham, two much older seasoned superheroes battling it out? And with Nolan? Wow.

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Bale was never coming back as Batman for anyone but Nolan at the helm.
I agree with this statement.

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I love Nolan's movie. I think Batman himself was great, and really relatable. That said, I'm more than ready for a new take on the character, one who will probably never quit, even if he knows this is a... endless war.

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I love Nolan's movie. I think Batman himself was great, and really relatable. That said, I'm more than ready for a new take on the character, one who will probably never quit, even if he knows this is a... endless war.
BB is excellent. TDK is legendary. TDKR has some good elements as well, even if not as cohesive. I'm ready for a new interpretation too. Retiring isn't completely foreign to the character - it is a legitimate take, and I think it's important to note Nolan made a trilogy with a beginning, middle and end. This Batman in comparison, as you say, seems to be "the war goes on" model.

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BB is excellent. TDK is legendary. TDKR has some good elements as well, even if not as cohesive. I'm ready for a new interpretation too. Retiring isn't completely foreign to the character - it is a legitimate take, and I think it's important to note Nolan made a trilogy with a beginning, middle and end. This Batman in comparison, as you say, seems to be "the war goes on" model.
Batman Begins is probably my favorite film to watch out of the Nolan films since its less intense than the following TDK with Ledger as The Joker. BB did for Batman I think what the much earlier STM did for Superman. It propelled the characters and began a new franchise on solid foundation.

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Batman quitting is really a earth 2 batman kind of take. Especially him quitting with selina as his wife. So when people say it's not like in the comics, I'm always surprised.

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Just had to look it up myself but nothing too bad, just that Batman being in the fantastical world of Superman will be weird essentially.

https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/gary-old...765680981.html
I don't understand. He seems to be questioning the logic of having BM and SM together in the same movie universe. Does he not realize that BM and SM have been together in the same comic book universe for...well...forever?

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no, that's spiderman.

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Nolan does interesting ideas more than he does interesting characters ... he doesn't have many interesting characters actually.

Within TDKT, what was interesting was the idea of Batman, not Batman himself.

Which is perfectly legitimate.
That's a nice way of putting it

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