🇮🇱🇵🇸 The Israel-Palestine Politics Thread II

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Yes it does.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Please explain how tweeting nonsense about subjects Trump clearly has no handle on is going to be a better alternative.

 

[Donner]

Yes it does.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

What?

 

[TheVileOne]

Please explain how tweeting nonsense about subjects Trump clearly has no handle on is going to be a better alternative.

He hopefully won't betray Israel like Obama and Kerry did with blatantly anti-Semitic rhetoric.

 

[SV Fan]

After what he and Kerry did to Israel, not really. Especially after Kerry's racist, anti-semitic, anti-Israel garbage.

I am sorry but not being 100% lockstep with Netanyahu doesn't make you anti-semitic and if that's the plan he is going to take Netanyahu is only going to turn off more people from seeing his POV.

Simple fact is Netanyahu is a terrible leader when it comes to trying to win favor for the world to have a positive feeling about Israel. It's also stupid to think every Jewish person in Israel is 100% behind with his agenda and somehow disagreeing with Netanyahu makes to dislike every single Jewish person in the world.

He hopefully won't betray Israel like Obama and Kerry did with blatantly anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Please give us an example of some Kerry or Obama anti-Semitic rhetoric about Israel

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

He hopefully won't betray Israel like Obama and Kerry did with blatantly anti-Semitic rhetoric.

You keep using words that you clearly do not know the definition for. Trump, on the other hand, has many actual anti-Semitic remarks on record before he becomes president in a few days among sexist, xenophobic, and several other types of derogatory terms for others. But I'm guessing you're a-okay with all of those aren't you?

 

[TheVileOne]

You keep using words that you clearly do not know the definition for. Trump, on the other hand, has many actual anti-Semitic remarks on record before he becomes president in a few days among sexist, xenophobic, and several other types of derogatory terms for others. But I'm guessing you're a-okay with all of those aren't you?

I know my truth. Trump's never made anti-Semitic remarks.

 

[SV Fan]

I know my truth. Trump's never made anti-Semitic remarks.

Depends, Trump constantly referred to the "international bank" and "global establishment" which when you look into those terms it's usually on conspiracy sites and the more you look it usually blames the Jews(or Jewish People) for those problems

 

[TheVileOne]

Depends, Trump constantly referred to the "international bank" and "global establishment" which when you look into those terms it's usually on conspiracy sites and the more you look it usually blames the Jews(or Jewish People) for those problems

Yeah, I don't count conspiracy theory hot garbage.

 

[SV Fan]

Yeah, I don't count conspiracy theory hot garbage.

It's definitely a dog whistle to the Jews Screw Over the World crowd Trump was pandering to

 

[Donner]

Yeah, I don't count conspiracy theory hot garbage.

You just count all other hot garbage. Your "truth."

 

[TheVileOne]

It's definitely a dog whistle to the Jews Screw Over the World crowd Trump was pandering to

Or maybe you are projecting your own stereotypes and prejudices onto Trump.

 

[SV Fan]

Or maybe you are projecting your own stereotypes and prejudices onto Trump.

No I am projecting what I have seen on right wing conspiracy sites, that take that extra step beyond your average conspiracy theory

 

[TheVileOne]

No I am projecting what I have seen on right wing conspiracy sites, that take that extra step beyond your average conspiracy theory

I don't read these sites and I really don't care or agree with what any of them have to say on either side. I'm not sure why they are applicable here considering they are dumb conspiracy theory websites and on the fringes of society.

Once again, you are projecting your own prejudices and views that have nothing to do with Trump onto Trump because you don't like him.

 

[SV Fan]

I don't read these sites and I really don't care or agree with what any of them have to say on either side. I'm not sure why they are applicable here considering they are dumb conspiracy theory websites and on the fringes of society.

Once again, you are projecting your own prejudices and views that have nothing to do with Trump onto Trump because you don't like him.

The terms "international banks" and "global establishment" are definitely terms you see in most illuminati/new world order conspiracy theories, and I am not saying every one blames jews for both, but once you get deep into the conspiracy theory you have you more racist sites push the jew angle.

I have to believe Trump knew full well who he was pandering to when he used those terms

 

[TheVileOne]

The terms "international banks" and "global establishment" are definitely terms you see in most illuminati/new world order conspiracy theories, and I am not saying every one blames jews for both, but once you get deep into the conspiracy theory you have you more racist sites push the jew angle.

I have to believe Trump knew full well who he was pandering to when he used those terms

You can believe what you want. I will believe what I want. I'm a Jew, and I don't find those remarks anti-Semitic. If he made remarks about Jews controlling all the money in the world or Jews controlling Hollywood, or Jews being responsible for all the wars in the world (*coughcough*MELGIBSON*coughcough*) then that would be anti-Semitic.

Kerry's remarks about Israel are anti-Semitic. These remarks are anti-Semitic.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lars-von-trier-admits-being-189747

 

[DeadPresident]

That Trump dog-whistled popular anti-Semitic conspiracies if he used those terms is beyond question. The average conspiracy nut in the USA, based on what I see on social media at least, is effectively begging for the Fourth Reich. The number of people who believe dubious intent on the part of Jews in America seems to be proliferating rapidly, if he alluded to "international banks" Trump definitely played the angle subtly during his campaign.

 

[BestGirl]

What did Kerry say that was anti-Semitic?

 

[DeadPresident]

What did Kerry say that was anti-Semitic?

"Israel can be Democratic or Jewish, it cannot be both".

That was interpreted by some as anti-Semitic.

I'm not sure it's exactly anti-Semitic, but if some Western politician said "Country X can be democratic or Muslim, it cannot be both" I suspect there would be claims of anti-Islamic sentiments.

 

[Perfect Cell]

So, are we all just forgetting this tweet? Hillary Clinton, backed by a wall of cash, with the Star of David banner calling her corrupt? One that his team rushed to change? And one Trump scrambled to call a "sheriff's badge" when pressed on it? If that's the case, why change it at all, so quickly?

 

[SV Fan]

That Trump dog-whistled popular anti-Semitic conspiracies if he used those terms is beyond question. The average conspiracy nut in the USA, based on what I see on social media at least, is effectively begging for the Fourth Reich. The number of people who believe dubious intent on the part of Jews in America seems to be proliferating rapidly, if he alluded to "international banks" Trump definitely played the angle subtly during his campaign.

To be fair to conspiracy people most conspiracy people don't take the anti jewish stance on the issue, but you have a sub group of the jew haters. I used to listen to Alex Jones(back when he bashed Bush left and right) and for the sake of argument he never took the anti jew stance on the New World Order but I always found it hilarious when he would get attacked by the jew haters for saying he is part of the conspiracy because he doesn't talk about jews and his wife has jewish ties.

 

[Perfect Cell]

"Ten days before Trump tweeted it, the graphic appeared on a message board jam-packed with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, white supremacist ideology and neo-Nazi propaganda. CNN confirmed the image appeared on the website by using the web archive search tool Wayback Machine.

And a Twitter user, "@Fishbonehead1," who frequently posted Islamophobic and racist memes, claimed credit for the original image shortly before the account was deleted. The account first tweeted the graphic June 15."

The image was posted by Trump on July 2. So, someone on his team grabbed the image from either an anti-Semitic forum, or a Twitter user who posts racist content. And then Trump or his team posted it to his Twitter account. But noooo... there's nothing anti-Semitic going on with the Trump group at all...

 

[BestGirl]

"Israel can be Democratic or Jewish, it cannot be both".

That was interpreted by some as anti-Semitic.

I'm not sure it's exactly anti-Semitic, but if some Western politician said "Country X can be democratic or Muslim, it cannot be both" I suspect there would be claims of anti-Islamic sentiments.

I'm not sure what he meant: either that Israel should become a secular state or that it should cease to be the Jewish homeland. Given that 25% of Israel's population is non-Jewish, I don't see the problem with his comments either way, I guess.

 

[SV Fan]

I'm not sure what he meant: either that Israel should become a secular state or that it should cease to be the Jewish homeland. Given that 25% of Israel's population is non-Jewish, I don't see the problem with his comments either way, I guess.

I think he was saying that if you basically want to be a jewish only country that doesn't allow others in then don't consider yourself a democratic country

 

[Yowza]

The whole whose anti-Semitic and whose not thing needs to go...

How many people here feel it is right to supply Israel with Nuclear weapons? How many believe in Revelations and is Israel's fall an usherance of some sort of end-times propaganda and/or religious significance???

Is Israel the aggressor or simply don't mess with us or infringe on our borders? I think Israel won't get involved in other countries but certainly will respond on all cylinders if a country wishes to mess with them. That's my impression am I wrong?

 

[Marvolo]

I think he was saying that if you basically want to be a jewish only country that doesn't allow others in then don't consider yourself a democratic country

That's how I read it too. Speaking out against the Israeli government trying to drive away, steal from, oppress, or kill non Jews is not anti-Semitic.