🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

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United Nations suspends Russia from human rights body over Ukraine | Reuters

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Gizmodo - Russians Are Posing as Journalists to Attack Ukrainians on Facebook

NY Times - U.S. Says It Secretly Removed Malware Worldwide, Pre-empting Russian Cyberattacks
The operation is the latest effort by the Biden administration to thwart actions by Russia by making them public before Moscow can strike.

 

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Longtime Putin Adviser Says Russian Leader Is Obsessed With Ukraine And Has 'Stepped Into A Trap' (rferl.org)

 

[Marvolo]

NATO is doing plenty, just short and shy of World War 3.

When it gets to this point, it might be time for war.

NATO needs to stop behaving as if Ukraine is already Russia. It isn't. If Ukraine wants us there we can be there. Besides, if Russia can invade Ukraine with a large portion of their military and wage an illegal war NATO can certainly enter Ukraine and defend its people. If Russia thinks it can attempt to nuke us for entering Ukraine then we can attempt to nuke them for entering Ukraine.

Frankly there is no better time for us to fight a war with Russia. Or we can let them commit genocide for months until Ukraine collapses or until Russia pulls out, then we can do this all over again in 5 years when Russia has learned from its mistakes and built its military back up.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Russia has already programmed their nukes for decades to hit Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Los Angeles, New York City, and all the big cities, as well as foreign capitals and their big cities.

They'll kill tens of millions. We don't get tens of millions of Americans killed when thousands are dying in Ukraine. This is why we've never gone to direct war with Russia or China.

 

[Iceman]

Ukraine war latest: Dozens feared dead as rockets hit train station in east Ukraine - BBC News

 

[Morg]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

This is Macron’s current opponent in France who was funded by Russia.


Moscow Shutting Down Amnesty, Human Rights Watch in Russia - The Moscow Times

Russia: Get kicked off the U.N. human rights council...kick out the human rights groups in Russia. That'll show'em!

 

[Punisher_MAX]

When it gets to this point, it might be time for war.

NATO needs to stop behaving as if Ukraine is already Russia. It isn't. If Ukraine wants us there we can be there. Besides, if Russia can invade Ukraine with a large portion of their military and wage an illegal war NATO can certainly enter Ukraine and defend its people. If Russia thinks it can attempt to nuke us for entering Ukraine then we can attempt to nuke them for entering Ukraine.

Frankly there is no better time for us to fight a war with Russia. Or we can let them commit genocide for months until Ukraine collapses or until Russia pulls out, then we can do this all over again in 5 years when Russia has learned from its mistakes and built its military back up.

Why are you so hellbent on wiping humanity from the planet? I personally don't wanna die in a nuclear hellfire when I still got a lot of my life left to live lol

 

[OutOfBoose]

1) Russian army doesn't use these missiles. It's obsolete "Tochka-U" of Ukraine. Russia uses Iskander and Bastion.
2) Trajectory of the missile is identified and it flew from Ukraine-controlled territory. From South-west of Kramatorsk.
3) There's zero reason to punish civilians for children.

In other words, same bloody provocation as Bucha by Ukrainian nazis.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

^ Russian disinformation.





U.S. Indicts ‘God’s Oligarch,’ World Congress of Families Funder Konstantin Malofeev | Right Wing Watch

The U.S. Justice Department this week indicted Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofeev, a close ally of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, friend of U.S. religious-right culture warriors, and funder of the World Congress of Families, a network of organizations that mobilizes opposition to reproductive rights, LGBTQ equality, feminism, and “gender ideology” in the name of the “natural family” across the world. Malofeev has been charged with violating U.S. sanctions. (The indictment, like some news outlets, spells his name Malofeyev.)

Malofeev is known as “God’s Oligarch” for his devotion to the Russian Orthodox Church, which currently functions as an ally and enabler of Putin. Malofeev shares Putin’s imperial vision; he hopes to bring back the monarchical reign of the tsars, potentially starting with Putin. John “Jack” Hanick, an American and former Fox News employee hired by Malofeev to build a new Orthodox television network modeled on Fox, was indicted last month.

 

[Morg]

1) Russian army doesn't use these missiles. It's obsolete "Tochka-U" of Ukraine. Russia uses Iskander and Bastion.
2) Trajectory of the missile is identified and it flew from Ukraine-controlled territory. From South-west of Kramatorsk.
3) There's zero reason to punish civilians for children.

In other words, same bloody provocation as Bucha by Ukrainian nazis.

The Tochka-U was officially removed from service by the Russian Army in 2019, but secretly reentered into service for the Ukrainian invasion as proven by several videos of them in V-marked convoys.

Meanwhile. the Tochka-U is still in service in the Ukrainian Army. So Russia is firing their missiles and going "oh it wasn't us, we retired our Tochka-U's in 2019, but hey Ukraine still has them in active service, just saying..."

They even claimed they don't have them in a letter to the UN, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

so that missile is a crisis actor pretending to be a Russian missile?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Thread by @JulianRoepcke on Thread Reader App

 

[Fosterson]

The Tochka-U was officially removed from service by the Russian Army in 2019, but secretly reentered into service for the Ukrainian invasion as proven by several videos of them in V-marked convoys.

Meanwhile. the Tochka-U is still in service in the Ukrainian Army. So Russia is firing their missiles and going "oh it wasn't us, we retired our Tochka-U's in 2019, but hey Ukraine still has them in active service, just saying..."

They even claimed they don't have them in a letter to the UN, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

so that missile is a crisis actor pretending to be a Russian missile?

Here's an example:

 

[Fosterson]

Thread by @JulianRoepcke on Thread Reader App

The lengths to which Putin's apologists will go to deny his crimes are truly astonishing. Even when the Russian military are literally celebrating a war crime (until they change their tune once world media starts reporting the slaughter of dozens of civilians), they still find ways to exonerate him and blame those evil Ukrainians.

 

[Sithborg]

Well, that explains the various reports of soldiers dying of radiation in Belarus....

 

[OutOfBoose]

The Tochka-U was officially removed from service by the Russian Army in 2019, but secretly reentered into service for the Ukrainian invasion as proven by several videos of them in V-marked convoys.

Meanwhile. the Tochka-U is still in service in the Ukrainian Army. So Russia is firing their missiles and going "oh it wasn't us, we retired our Tochka-U's in 2019, but hey Ukraine still has them in active service, just saying..."

They even claimed they don't have them in a letter to the UN, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

so that missile is a crisis actor pretending to be a Russian missile?

By "evidence" you mean Tochka-U of Belarus from joint military exercises earlier this year? Belarus doesn't participate in the military operation in Ukraine outside providing territory for stationing of Russian forces.

The whole thing is sewn by white threads. Last month the same Ukrainian forces fired Tochka-U in the middle of the day on a crowded street of Donetsk (fully knowing there's plenty of civilians). Killing dozens.

 

[Sithborg]

Plain simple, Russia may be breaking out the Tochtka Us because, quite frankly, they could be running out of missiles.

And even ignoring that, tell me why it is unbelievable that Russia would attack the train station. What about their conduct in this war points to that?

 

[Fosterson]

Plain simple, Russia may be breaking out the Tochtka Us because, quite frankly, they could be running out of missiles.

And even ignoring that, tell me why it is unbelievable that Russia would attack the train station. What about their conduct in this war points to that?

These are the same tired old arguments that war crimes deniers always cart out. Like during the Bosnian War when people claimed that the Bosnian govt was bombing Sarajevo and massacring their own people to make the Serbs look bad. Or when Russia and its useful idiots accused the White Helmets of staging chemical attacks in Syria.

Denial of war crimes is morally repugnant.

 

[Fosterson]

By "evidence" you mean Tochka-U of Belarus from joint military exercises earlier this year? Belarus doesn't participate in the military operation in Ukraine outside providing territory for stationing of Russian forces.

The whole thing is sewn by white threads. Last month the same Ukrainian forces fired Tochka-U in the middle of the day on a crowded street of Donetsk (fully knowing there's plenty of civilians). Killing dozens.

Except an investigation by a group of independent Russian journalists concluded that the missile was most likely fired from Russian-controlled territory:

Ракетный удар по центру Донецка совершили с территории РФ – CIT — DOXA News

 

[Holy Slapper]

Poland throwing former ally against the EU under the bus. I can now see Poland coming to terms with the EU on the rule of law disagreement, while getting extra funding from them to help with Ukrainian refugees.

What's the process of kicking someone out of the NATO? I have to think it's being discussed more and more.

 

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A Russian Plan for the Genocide of the Ukrainian People | by Susan Smith-Peter | Apr, 2022 | Medium

 

[OutOfBoose]

Except an investigation by a group of independent Russian journalists concluded that the missile was most likely fired from Russian-controlled territory:

Ракетный удар по центру Донецка совершили с территории РФ – CIT — DOXA News

Conflict Intelligence Team aren't independent. They exist on foreign grants. So bias is obvious. On top of clueless speculation based on where the rear part is located and what direction this part is turned. And that is on top of already stated that Tochka-U aren't used by Russian forces.

There's no "most likely". It came from Krasnoarmeysk (5 years ago renamed into Pokrovsk) north-west of Donetsk. And Kramatorsk rocket came from Dobropolye.

And there's absolutely ZERO reason, no benefit whatsoever to hit civilians for Russian army.

 

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You would think that people would turn away from Putin-friendly politicians, but no.

Why and how Le Pen could still win the French election (euobserver.com)

 

[MagnarTheGreat]