🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine


That guy has balls of steel. He definitely knew what the consequences would be.
 
Iceman said:
Lots of harrowing stories and definite war crimes (tagged as not comfortable reading):
Ukraine conflict: 'Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband'
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And it needs to be emphasised that the dehumanising - borderline genocidal, in fact - propaganda of Putin's regime (demonizing Ukrainians as Nazis and monsters) has created a situation where Russian soldiers feel that they have a licence to behave like ISIS.

As such, Putin is responsible for every single atrocity. Even the ones he didn't personally order.
 
Fosterson said:
And it needs to be emphasised that the dehumanising - borderline genocidal, in fact - propaganda of Putin's regime (demonizing Ukrainians as Nazis and monsters) has created a situation where Russian soldiers feel that they have a licence to behave like ISIS.

As such, Putin is responsible for every single atrocity. Even the ones he didn't personally order.
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Well its one of the most important tactics when waging war...dehumanise the enemy.
Only that way you can justify war, because nobody thinks themself to be the bad guy.
Everyone thinks they are the hero in their own story.

So Putins propaganda is that the enemy are nazis, that the people are not innocent, that they in fact deserve everything that comes to them.
ISIS, the Nazis etc...all thought they are right and the enemy is wrong.

Every leader in power that wages war, is responsible for sure, not only for what on his command is done to others, but also that he uses his own people for those atrocitys...that he brainwashes them so much that they are able to do things like this.
 
More warnings from Russia to Finland and Sweden to not join NATO. The fool doesn’t realise that there was no urgency or strong will to join NATO till he pushed them into wanting that.
 
Iceman said:
More warnings from Russia to Finland and Sweden to not join NATO. The fool doesn’t realise that there was no urgency or strong will to join NATO till he pushed them into wanting that.
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I guess he thinks the Russian shadow is still big enough of a threat.
But what does he think he can do if they go through with it?

Nuclear war? Pffff...idiot fights with claws and teeth to win in the Ukraine, there is no way he wants to risk destruction of Russia so that threat is empty.
He has a goal and that goal is to gain something, not to destroy everything.
His Threat on that front is meaningless because he doesnt act like he doesnt care what happens to russia.

And is he so arrogant to think he can fight more than one war?
He caught Ukraine off guard and still is struggling, what does he think prepared Finland and Sweden could do?
And the longer this goes, the closer the rest of the world comes to the day where they can cut Russia off completely with Gas and Oil etc.
When that happens, the country falls apart to the point where the sheep have no choice but to turn
on putin.
 
Marvolo said:

NATO is sending Ukraine its hopes and prayers.
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As for the US, it also includes thousands of anti aircraft and tank weapons and systems, tens of thousands of sets of body armor and helmets, thousands of small arms weapons, millions of rounds of ammunitions, as well as backfilling resources for other NATO allies who are also sending support. This war is expected to intensify in the next 2 or 3 weeks so the sooner Ukraine gets the support they need, the better.

Whether NATO should be doing more is in debate and I believe they "should" be, but it's hard to take comments like this, and others you've made, seriously.
 
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As a preface, I'm pretty ignorant WRT war strategy, weapons, and logistics of supplying troops, but it seems to me that, in retrospect, NATO should have been more aggressive in sending early supplies to Ukraine. I suppose it could have been seen as "provocation", but amassing over 100,000 troops and supplies on the border of a neighboring country seems pretty provocative to me. I know it's 20 20 hindsight (and 20 20 is normal vision and not anything special), but we pretty much knew Russia was going to invade well before they did so why not send in supplies like anti ship/tank/aircraft weaponry when it was easier to do so? I'm sure there are people out there who know more than I do about such matters, but that seems like a miscalculation to me.
 
InCali said:
As a preface, I'm pretty ignorant WRT war strategy, weapons, and logistics of supplying troops, but it seems to me that, in retrospect, NATO should have been more aggressive in sending early supplies to Ukraine. I suppose it could have been seen as "provocation", but amassing over 100,000 troops and supplies on the border of a neighboring country seems pretty provocative to me. I know it's 20 20 hindsight (and 20 20 is normal vision and not anything special), but we pretty much knew Russia was going to invade well before they did so why not send in supplies like anti ship/tank/aircraft weaponry when it was easier to do so? I'm sure there are people out there who know more than I do about such matters, but that seems like a miscalculation to me.
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Well, it didn't help that for 4 years, the US was run by a Russian toady. Its also figuring out logistics to get them to Ukraine and if they can actually use them.


Funny how that happens.
 
Sithborg said:
Ukraine war latest news: US to send $800m more in military aid to Ukraine - BBC News


Nothing quite like having your flagship of the Black Sea fleet seriously damaged.


Getting some artillery is very nice. I am curious what exactly "unmanned coastal defense vessel". What is even more interesting, is that the Pentagon was a bit cagey on what that was as well.
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Too bad Ukraine doesn't have the firepower to sink that MuhFuh now that no one is on it. Ruins my day to hear of such damage.....wonder who Putin will blame this one on? You can't really blame the Ukrainians without looking like a complete ass.
 
InCali said:
As a preface, I'm pretty ignorant WRT war strategy, weapons, and logistics of supplying troops, but it seems to me that, in retrospect, NATO should have been more aggressive in sending early supplies to Ukraine. I suppose it could have been seen as "provocation", but amassing over 100,000 troops and supplies on the border of a neighboring country seems pretty provocative to me. I know it's 20 20 hindsight (and 20 20 is normal vision and not anything special), but we pretty much knew Russia was going to invade well before they did so why not send in supplies like anti ship/tank/aircraft weaponry when it was easier to do so? I'm sure there are people out there who know more than I do about such matters, but that seems like a miscalculation to me.
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Sithborg said:
Well, it didn't help that for 4 years, the US was run by a Russian toady. Its also figuring out logistics to get them to Ukraine and if they can actually use them.


Funny how that happens.
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As Sithborg said, the movement of large quantities of heavy military equipment is a huge undertaking. There is a big difference between Russia mobilizing its own forces within its borders versus the US shipping equipment across the Atlantic.

There is also training issues. The Ukrainian military like most of the former Warsaw Pact countries continues to use former Soviet military equipment and that is what their soldiers are trained to use. Their tank drivers, pilots, etc. are trained to use that hardware, but not US/NATO stuff. Giving them a bunch of US jets, tanks, etc. would be practically useless. Which is why direct US aid has been focused on less sophisticated and easier to learn equipment like rocket launchers, etc. For the more sophisticated stuff and heavier equipment, the US has had to basically gift new equipment to our Eastern European allies in exchange for them gifting their existing Soviet hardware to Ukraine. Once again, that is more complicated and time consuming.
 
Those howitzers should liven things up a bit.

As for more complicated equipment and NATO equipment, we have instructors and specialists that could be sent to Ukraine to train them to use the things they aren't familiar with. Jet and tank operators have to be able to adapt and adjust to different and newer equipment. We should give them the chance to attempt it at least. There's probably also more than a few retired and active soldiers from NATO countries who'd be willing to operate our equipment if the offer was made.
 
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