🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[Morg]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/ukr...nts-of-detained-kremlin-ally-medvedchuk.html?
Ukraine seizes 26 cars and 32 apartments of detained Kremlin ally Medvedchuk

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The Washington Post - Russia says flagship missile cruiser has sunk after explosion off coast of Ukraine

The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet sank after an attack from Ukrainian forces triggered a “significant explosion” as the vessel floated off the coast of Ukraine, U.S. officials said Thursday, with Moscow offering a competing claim about the cause of the destruction.

Russia isn't talking but Ukraine says

 

[B]

The best moment in that video comes around 1:20. Never get tired of it.

Whoever put that carpet there on the ice was likely buried in an unmarked grave inside 48 hours.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Those last two are just made up bull**** by Putin and his flunkies there not actual countries.


The Independent - [United States] Pentagon says Russian warship Moskva was sunk by two Ukrainian Neptune missiles
Loss of ship is major blow to Russian prestige seven weeks into war that already is widely seen as historic blunder

The Independent - Russia’s revenge: Putin attacks Ukrainian factory that makes anti-ship missiles after warship Moskva sinks

 

[Sithborg]

The loss of the Moskva is more than just prestige. It was a major component of Russian anti-air capabilities.

 

[Iceman]

The loss of the Moskva is more than just prestige. It was a major component of Russian anti-air capabilities.

Yep. Putin will be mourning this loss more than he would for any human.

 

[Iceman]

Is this dude a bit late to the party?

 

[InCali]

The loss of the Moskva is more than just prestige. It was a major component of Russian anti-air capabilities.

As I understand things, it served as their command center. Funny how their other ships drew back after the "fire" broke out on their flagship. Maybe they were afraid the "fire" would spread to the other ships? LOL


I must be missing something. If Ukraine fights back after being attacked, Russia is going to turn their "special operation" into a war? Oh dear.....that would be awful. Maybe Ukraine ought to just knock that stuff off.

 

[Iceman]

Ukraine news: Putin's army branded a 'house of cards' as Russian strategy falls flat | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

 

[Holy Slapper]

The best moment in that video comes around 1:20. Never get tired of it.

There's a better hockey related gif available:

 

[InCali]

There's a better hockey related gif available:

A real man doesn't need a hockey helmet and certainly doesn't need it on backwards. I wonder how he wears his jock.

 

[Mani-Man]

Aha, so what is Russia celebrating then every 9th may?
What is their Big Day every year then about?

I still get stunned at how truly ****ty russians seem to be when it comes to making **** up.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Since our prime minister Sanna Marin said that a NATO application is more likely to happen within weeks rather than months, we should send it on May 9th.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Fosterson]

 

[Holy Slapper]

 

[InCali]

Aha, so what is Russia celebrating then every 9th may?
What is their Big Day every year then about?

I still get stunned at how truly ****ty russians seem to be when it comes to making **** up.

The thing is that this isn't uniquely Russian. While different press viewpoints in the US don't generally land you in prison or censored, think of some of the stuff Trump said that was believed by a large segment of society.

 

[Zarex]

Americans are definitely in no position to judge the willingness of foreigners to buy their leaders BS propaganda. As a lad I remember reading about Nazi Germany in school and being unable to understand how a large percentage of the citizenry of an industrialized country could be snowed by the ravings of a sadistic, fascist lunatic. After living through the Trump presidency it makes perfect sense.

 

[InCali]

Americans are definitely in no position to judge the willingness of foreigners to buy their leaders BS propaganda. As a lad I remember reading about Nazi Germany in school and being unable to understand how a large percentage of the citizenry of an industrialized country could be snowed by the ravings of a sadistic, fascist lunatic. After living through the Trump presidency it makes perfect sense.

Yes. In the US, we, currently at least, have a political structure that is clearly more open than anything in Nazi Germany, Russia, China, etc. What that looks like in the next 3 to 10 years is not to be taken for granted. I was listening to someone who said straight up that he didn't believe in democracy. When asked why he participated in democratic processes, he said it was because he could advance his political agenda through a democratic process. The idea that there are people out there who are outright autocrats perverting a system meant to (but really doesn't) serve everyone is a chilling thought.

This is why I separate economic from political in the way I think about different societies.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Ex-MSNBC Contributor Malcolm Nance Appears On ‘The ReidOut’ And Reveals He’s Joined The Fight In Ukraine – Deadline

 

[Marvolo]

What's the issue? The one doesn't invalidate the other. Lots of parents are proud about military action and their child's service until their baby dies far away from home. Its made even worse when they have no answers or a body to bury.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Iceman]

Ukraine war latest news: Russian forces attacking entire eastern front line, Ukraine says - BBC News

 

[Iceman]

I’m sure the genocidal maniac is very proud of them.

 

[Morg]

Ukrainian millionaire says he asked the military to bomb his mansion when he saw Russian troops occupying it