🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[Fosterson]

Glenn Greenwald was whining about someone calling for YouTube to enforce its own policies against one of his war crime denying buddies who claims that Bucha was a flase flag, crying "censorship", only to be immediately shut down by an independent Russian journalist who literally is censored in his own country and faces the possibility of being imprisoned or suicided for his work:

 

[InCali]

Glenn Greenwald was whining about someone calling for YouTube to enforce its own policies against one of his war crime denying buddies who claims that Bucha was a flase flag, crying "censorship", only to be immediately shut down by an independent Russian journalist who literally is censored in his own country and faces the possibility of being imprisoned or suicided for his work:

It does bring something of a dilemma to mind (but I think it's pretty easily resolved). We see clearly the censorship happening in Russia with people being arrested for disseminating information the government doesn't want people to see or read. If facts are in dispute, it's important to investigate and uncover the truth. I am not against flagging "facts" that are clearly untrue and making it clear that these stories are false.

We have platforms these days who should NOT be allowed to throw information out that is clearly false. This information needs to be tagged and/or removed. The question really becomes where that line should be drawn.

Say that there is a pro Russian news outlet in the US that is sending out false propaganda and completely controls the narrative by not allowing opposing opinions. What is the best way to handle this?

 

[InCali]

One other thing I would like to point out is that there seems to be some blurring of the lines between social media and the press. I think that a lot of people get confused by this. YouTube, for example, isn't, IMO, "the press" in the classic sense of the word. When you use it, there are terms and conditions that you agree to. If you violate them, they can impose various sanctions against you. The Hype does the same (as I'm sure all of you have noticed LOL). I think it gets a little bit stickier when it's the NYT or WAPO or something like that.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Finland, Sweden to begin NATO application in May, say local media reports

 

[InCali]

Finland, Sweden to begin NATO application in May, say local media reports

Putin has no one to blame but himself.

 

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U.S. Withholds Sanctions on a Very Close Putin Associate: His Reputed Girlfriend - WSJ

 

[Marvolo]

U.S. Withholds Sanctions on a Very Close Putin Associate: His Reputed Girlfriend - WSJ

If she's still involved with him sanction her. Sleeping with a war criminal has consequences, and she's fully aware of his crimes.

 

[Iceman]

What are their conversations like on date night? Did the murders and war crimes go smoothly today? Proud of ya honey.

 

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IIHF - IIHF to move 2023 World Championship

Obviously the only reasonable decision they could make

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Holy Slapper]

IL:n tiedot: Aikataulu tarkentuu - näin Suomi hakee Natoon

According to Finnish tabloid Iltalehti, we'll have made the decision to apply by May 17th.

 

[Iceman]

IIHF - IIHF to move 2023 World Championship

Obviously the only reasonable decision they could make

No more international sporting events being hosted in Russia.

 

[Fosterson]

Nothin' to see here. Just a libertarian who spends all his time railing against "socialism" and "communism" defending Russia's imperialist wars of aggression against Georgia and Ukraine on the grounds that they had been brutally subjugated into the Soviet Empire:

 

[Iceman]

Nothin' to see here. Just a libertarian who spends all his time railing against "socialism" and "communism" defending Russia's imperialist wars of aggression against Georgia and Ukraine on the grounds that they had been brutally subjugated into the Soviet Empire:

Dude should be shipped off to the Russia that he loves so much on a one-way ticket.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The Week - John McCain: Russia is a 'gas station masquerading as a country' (January 2015)

McCain was one of the only Republicans with any sense about Russia. He didn't have a lot of sense about some other things but there he was correct.

 

[Iceman]

Ukraine war latest news: Germany to send tanks to Ukraine in U-turn - BBC News

 

[Fosterson]

Dude should be shipped off to the Russia that he loves so much on a one-way ticket.

Funny how a "small government" advocate like Rand is happy to shill for an authoritarian dictatorship.

 

[Fosterson]

The Week - John McCain: Russia is a 'gas station masquerading as a country' (January 2015)

McCain was one of the only Republicans with any sense about Russia. He didn't have a lot of sense about some other things but there he was correct.

And he was early on it too. He denounced the genocidal wars that Russia waged in Chechnya (first under Yeltsin, then under Putin) at a time when Putin was being openly courted by Western leaders like Dubya and Tony Blair.

One can only wonder if there had been the same international response to the Russian bloodbath in Chechnya 22 years ago as there has been to the current invasion, would we be watching another one unfold in Ukraine today?

 

[Fosterson]

More evidence of Putin's Orwellian rewriting of history:

Mentions of Kyiv and Ukraine removed from Russian schoolbooks: "We have a task to make it look as if Ukraine simply does not exist"

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

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Russia Gas Supplies Latest: Four European Gas Buyers Made Ruble Payments - Bloomberg

 

[InCali]

More evidence of Putin's Orwellian rewriting of history:

Mentions of Kyiv and Ukraine removed from Russian schoolbooks: "We have a task to make it look as if Ukraine simply does not exist"

School textbooks are being removed? Is this Russia or the US? Hard to tell.........

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Fosterson]

School textbooks are being removed? Is this Russia or the US? Hard to tell.........

Yeah, although the difference is that in Russia this is a nationwide policy, as opposed to just individual states.

 

[InCali]

Yeah, although the difference is that in Russia this is a nationwide policy, as opposed to just individual states.

Agreed. The federal government doesn't have the same level of control here as they do in Russia. Still, it shows how some political ideologies have a common thread. In the US, those who complain most about government overreach are the very ones who are the first to exert government control over local issues.