🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

Hungarian foreign minister confirms to CNN that his country will use Russia’s energy payment scheme

From CNN's Pamela Boykoff



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Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó (CNN)


The Hungarian Foreign Minister confirmed to CNN that his country will use the payment scheme put in place by Moscow to pay for its oil and gas.

Defending this decision, Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó said:

“85% of our gas supply comes from Russia, and 65% of our oil supply comes from Russia. Why? Because this is being determined by infrastructure. This is not for fun, we have not chosen the situation,” he told CNN’s Richard Quest.
Szijjártó said there are no alternative sources or routes which makes it possible for them to stop importing Russian energy in the next few years.

Under the Russian payment scheme, energy importers have had to open two bank accounts with Gazprombank — a foreign currency account and a rubles account. The proceeds of sales are paid in foreign currency (dollars or euros) which is then converted by Gazprombank into the ruble account.

Several other countries are reportedly using the scheme. A European Commission document release last week advised that it “appears possible” to comply with the new Russian rules without getting into conflict with EU law.

Sanctions experts say the Russian payment system allows Moscow access to energy proceeds regardless of the sanctions in place on foreign currencies.

CNN’s Richard Quest notes two things — the entire process is extremely legally murky and the scheme also gives Putin the political advantage — that he is forcing the companies into his scheme to pay in rubles.

US has credible information that Russian military executed Ukrainians who attempted to surrender, official says

From CNN's Rob Frehse



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Ambassador-at-Large for Global Criminal Justice Beth Van Schaack (UNTV)


The United States has credible information that a Russian military unit executed Ukrainians who were attempting to surrender near Donetsk, Ambassador-at-Large for Global Criminal Justice Beth Van Schaack said at the United Nations Wednesday.

“We now have credible information that a Russian military unit operating in the vicinity of Donetsk executed Ukrainians who were attempting to surrender, rather than take them into custody,” Van Schaak said. “If true, this would be a violation of a core principle of the laws of war: the prohibition against the summary execution of civilians and combatants who are hors de combat by virtue of surrender, injury, or other forms of incapacitation.”
Van Schaak also said the US has “credible reports of individuals killed execution-style with their hands bound; bodies showing signs of torture; horrific accounts of sexual violence against women and girls.”

“These images and reports suggest that atrocities are not the result of rogue units or individuals; they, rather, reveal a deeply disturbing pattern of systematic abuse across all areas where Russia’s forces are engaged,” Van Schaak added.

“Let us be clear: those who unleashed, perpetrated, and ordered these crimes must be held to account and the evidence of this criminality is mounting daily,” Van Schaak said. “Our simple message to Russia’s military and political leadership, and file is this: the world is watching, and you will be held accountable.”

The United States welcomes the ICC investigation into atrocities committed in Ukraine, Van Shaak said, referencing the common goal of stakeholders to achieve justice.

“The United States is supporting a range of international investigations into atrocities in Ukraine. This includes those conducted by the International Criminal Court, the UN and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe," she said.
 

Seems more of a threat to your allies than your enemies.
 

Seems more of a threat to your allies than your enemies.

Russia's military infrastructure cant even handle an invasion of a neighboring country. They'll probably lose half of the ships they send to Cuba and Venezuela just from sheer incompetence.
 
A fascinating profile of Zelensky:

Inside Zelensky's World

Pretty terrifying that Russian paratroopers tried to storm the presidential compound in the early hours of the invasion to kill Zelensky and his family.
 
I'm honestly surprised Ukraine hasn't snapped and fired missiles into Russia yet. They're showing a lot of patience and caution in spite of Russia murdering thousands and kidnapping over 1 million civilians.
 
Can’t imagine it’s a great life ahead for those million people. :csad:
 

Apparently, Hitler was Jewish according to these Russcists.


It's true that someone might be a self loathing bigot and/or authoritarian who wants to exterminate people of their own ethnic background. The problem with Lazrov's narrative is that Putin fits it much better than does Zelensky. At some point, we need to get past the idea that because someone is a member of X, Y, or Z ethnicity, that some result follows. Opinions are not specific to any race and, ultimately, people should be judged by their actions.

So, let's judge Putin and Zelensky based on their actions and I don't give an EF about who their parents were.
 
It is also important to note that nazi has different implications in Russia than it does in most other places. They view nazis more at invaders than they do white supremacists. So yeah, Zelensky being jewish doesn't change things in their mind.
 
It is also important to note that nazi has different implications in Russia than it does in most other places. They view nazis more at invaders than they do white supremacists. So yeah, Zelensky being jewish doesn't change things in their mind.

That's a consequence of decades of Soviet propaganda about WW2 which downplayed the specificity of the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews and propagated a narrative in which all the peoples of the USSR (the Russians above all) had suffered equally and where collaboration was never discussed.

And so yeah, a consequence of that in Russia today is that many people view Nazism as bad not for the genocidal racism and totalitarianism, but rather because it attacked Russia.
 

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