🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[InCali]

That man looks like and is a moron.

Regardless, it is very possible that Western countries will not survive the end of White Supremacy / colonialism.

If I was 19 and more mentally fluid I would seriously consider moving internationally, to get out of the West. One friend moved to Botswana. The 21st century will witness far more vibrancy in the rest of the world.

I'm not sure where you live, but in spite of your age and lack of mental fluidity, I think you should seriously reconsider your reluctance to move; happiness is important. I'm sure you could find plenty of people who would be happy to provide you with financial assistance for travel expenses.

 

[blueharvest]

31,000 Ukrainian troops killed since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion, Zelenskyy says

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed in action in the two years since Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

apnews.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Jake Sullivan: ‘Of course there are concerns’ about Russian election interference in 2024

The national security adviser called Russia “a foreign adversary seeking to manipulate” politics in the U.S.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

Jake Sullivan: ‘Of course there are concerns’ about Russian election interference in 2024

The national security adviser called Russia “a foreign adversary seeking to manipulate” politics in the U.S.

www.nbcnews.com

Oh, no doubt Russia will try to interfere in this year's election if they can.

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm not sure where you live, but in spite of your age and lack of mental fluidity, I think you should seriously reconsider your reluctance to move; happiness is important. I'm sure you could find plenty of people who would be happy to provide you with financial assistance for travel expenses.

No. Moving is hard and gets harder as you age. You know how every American election we hear from people saying they're moving to Canada? It's just hot air. There's a reason none of those people go anywhere. And that's Canada, a relatively easy country to move to.

I'm in my 40s, and am responsible for children and step children. The latter have a deadbeat dad who walked away at no consequence to himself because our governments largely ignore crime that affects civilians. I suspect they actually like it.

It breaks my heart to see the incompetent leadership of the Western countries plundering our nations into oblivion, which includes stupid, genocidal wars like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Gaza, etc, the total mismanagement of COVID, crumbling infrastructure, etc. People die so that rich people can get richer.

 

[blueharvest]

Alexei Navalny describes 'corrupt officials' living in London helping Putin in never-before-seen interview

The Russian opposition leader, who died earlier this month, made the remarks in a 2020 interview acquired by Sky News. He also spoke of his hopes for Russia and the risks he knew he was taking.

news.sky.com

 

[DKDetective]

That man looks like and is a moron.

Regardless, it is very possible that Western countries will not survive the end of White Supremacy / colonialism.

If I was 19 and more mentally fluid I would seriously consider moving internationally, to get out of the West. One friend moved to Botswana. The 21st century will witness far more vibrancy in the rest of the world.



The Russian economy is actually doing quite well, even the IMF, a Western institution, is projecting real GDP growth of 2.6%. The sanctions from the West have been a godsend.

Russian Federation and the IMF

www.imf.org

Not really. While the Western liberal democracies have their problems and democracy is facing an existential threat, geography all but guarantees the Western nations are going to come out of the 21st century ahead.

Sadly, this is because developed nations like the Western liberal democracies and Japan dominate the cooler, temperate parts of the globe and developing nations in equatorial places like Africa and India are going to feel the worst of climate change as temperatures there becomes unlivable and cause drought and famine. So yeah, colonialism and industrialization are going to **** over people of colour for a long, long time to come.

 

[Iceman]

MSN

Hungary vote clears path for Sweden's Nato membership​

Putin won't be happy.

 

[blueharvest]

MSN

Hungary vote clears path for Sweden's Nato membership​

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Putin won't be happy.

Hey, whatever makes Putin unhappy makes me happy.

 

[blueharvest]

Putin ‘gains every day’ Congress fails to send Ukraine aid, top Biden official says

President Zelenskiy says 'millions will be killed’ if US aid is not approved within one month

www.theguardian.com

 

[squeekness]

31,000 Ukrainian troops killed since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion, Zelenskyy says

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed in action in the two years since Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

apnews.com

That number seems low considering the number of flags on the graves.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[blueharvest]

Macron refuses to rule out putting troops on ground in Ukraine in call to galvanise Europe

French president admits no consensus exists on such a move as he urges fellow European leaders to take action rather than wait for US aid

www.theguardian.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

A deal to free Navalny was in the works before his death

Five sources told NBC News that discussions were underway over a prisoner swap that would have freed the Russian opposition leader before his death.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[DA_Champion]

US says Russia has suffered 315K casualties in Ukraine

Russia has suffered more than 300,000 casualties in the war in Ukraine, according to the latest U.S. estimate, and has also lost 20 medium-to-large ships in the Black Sea. A senior U.S. defense off…

thehill.com

31,000 Ukrainian troops killed since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion, Zelenskyy says

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed in action in the two years since Russia launched its full-scale invasion.

apnews.com

I wonder how many people spot these inconsistencies from our Western corporate media.

 

[Sithborg]

What inconsistencies? Russia has been losing more personal than Ukraine for a long time. I mean, is it really surprising when you are sending untrained prisoners into the front line? Now, I'm sure Zelensky has lowballed the Ukranian losses, its what you do in war.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Slovak PM says EU, NATO members weighing sending troops to Ukraine

Statement preceded a Paris conference on the war in Ukraine.

www.politico.eu

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Sri Lanka ends visas for hundreds of thousands of Russians avoiding war

Investigation launched into order asking Russians to leave country amid blacklash over ‘whites only policy’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[DA_Champion]

What inconsistencies? Russia has been losing more personal than Ukraine for a long time.

I mean sure -- if you strictly listen to and believe in Western corporate media*. You might then also believe that Saddam had WMDs and that Navalny was a leader of the opposition in Russia. But as that apparatus lies more and more, its audience and reach dwindles further and further over time. We no longer have a Walter Cronkite or even a 2005-level John Stewart.

There's going to be a (further) loss of trust when the war ends, as people have been told non stop that Ukraine was winning, retaking territory, that Russia was a paper tiger with an inept military and subpar equipment that would fold, its economy is crap and they're recycling microchips from washing machines, etc.

* In reality, Ukrainian losses are far higher and have been for some time.

Here's an article from an Indian diplomat discussing how the Western sanctions are enabling greater economic integration in Asia.

Russia’s victory in Ukraine resonates in Central Asia - Indian Punchline

Russian President Vladimir Putin (third from left) with Central Asian counterparts at a recent CIS summit, Kyrgyzstan, Oct 12, 2023 Russia’s stunning victory in the battle of Avdeevka and the rout of the Ukrainian military, boosts the credibility of Russia as provider of security for the...

www.indianpunchline.com

 

[squeekness]

Macron refuses to rule out putting troops on ground in Ukraine in call to galvanise Europe

French president admits no consensus exists on such a move as he urges fellow European leaders to take action rather than wait for US aid

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine could use the help, but it could also escalate things.

 

[squeekness]

What inconsistencies? Russia has been losing more personal than Ukraine for a long time. I mean, is it really surprising when you are sending untrained prisoners into the front line? Now, I'm sure Zelensky has lowballed the Ukranian losses, its what you do in war.

I can believe the Russian numbers easily, but the Ukraine deaths havevto be close to the same. Over 100, 000 at least. No way only 31,000.

 

[DA_Champion]

What inconsistencies? Russia has been losing more personal than Ukraine for a long time. I mean, is it really surprising when you are sending untrained prisoners into the front line? Now, I'm sure Zelensky has lowballed the Ukranian losses, its what you do in war.

I left one thing unanswered.

Part of the reason Russia uses convicts is to get around laws (sound familiar?). Conscript soldiers, unlike private military contractors such as Wagner, can be used for very specific purposes such as defending the motherland and in cases where there's a declaration of war. There was no declaration of war on Ukraine/NATO, it's legally a special military operation, so they were limited to using private military contractors, as well as militias such as the Chechens, the Donetsk militia, and Lugansk militia as seen in the beginning of the SMO.

That is no longer an issue. They now have a large volunteer army (something like 30,000/month), and legally most of the fighting is taking place in Russia since they annexed four oblasts.

Wagner remains active in many parts of Africa, where conscripts cannot be sent. Africa is arguably a major theater in these early stages of world war III, with France recently being kicked out of Niger and Gabon. That said, our media largely ignores it.

 

[blueharvest]

VSquare: Kremlin leaks, secret files reveal how Putin pre-rigged his reelection

Editor's note: This investigation, based on leaks obtained by Delfi Estonia and compiled for a joint investigation with VSquare and Frontstory.pl, Expressen, Meduza and iStories, Paper Trail Media, Der Spiegel and ZDF, Der Standard, and Tamedia publications, has been republished by the Kyiv...

kyivindependent.com

 

[Mani-Man]

Ukraine could use the help, but it could also escalate things.

It wont because Macron knows that not enough will side with him on that.
He says this because France hasnt really pulled its weight as much and this way he can go "See, France was willing to help more".

VSquare: Kremlin leaks, secret files reveal how Putin pre-rigged his reelection

Editor's note: This investigation, based on leaks obtained by Delfi Estonia and compiled for a joint investigation with VSquare and Frontstory.pl, Expressen, Meduza and iStories, Paper Trail Media, Der Spiegel and ZDF, Der Standard, and Tamedia publications, has been republished by the Kyiv...

kyivindependent.com

We dont need secret files to know that he rigged them for years.
That man literally put Political Opponents in Jail...and has them thrown out of Windows.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The sooner Ukraine has additional protection from the alliance or regional security agreements the better to keep the front further away.