10.19 - Dominion - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[PJBoy]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm

 

[Johnny]

I effin love this title.

 

[vantheman77]

This could be good and I wonder if this is about Darkseid.

 

[Binker]

Dominion must be about Darkseid. Hell, that was the name of the original cut of the Exorcist prequel, and there is an anime called Gundam SEED where Dominion is a sister ship of the main Archangel, and it has darker colors and they do fight each other. If you look at what Dominion means, it feels connected to Darkseid (and going by the premise of Season 10). It means: power; sovereignty; a kingdom/nation that is of or in influence, like an empire. Dominion can only be a measure of a god's influence and worshipers. That sound slike Darkseid, right?

As for what this episode might be about; I just think its about the world finally being taken over by Darkseid, but its up in the air as to if he will appear at all (see my post on the enxt episode, Prophecy).

 

[vantheman77]

This could also be about Zod. We may see Darkseid and Zod teaming together.

 

[DavidB1111]

Uh, I don't think they'll go the final crisis route of Darkseid conquering the Earth. Not to mention a little something called the Anti-life equation has to be found on Earth, by Darkseid.

So, unless Darkseid magically gains the Anti-Life equation, there can not be any conquering of the entire Earth.

Also, if they do the entire Final Crisis thing, that vampire guy has to show up, the real mastermind behind it, and Batman has to show up and shoot Darkseid with a time traveling bullet.

I don't think Smallville can do any of those, in one episode.
Not to mention the back story to do all that.
I mean, about 3 hours to tell it all.

Plus, Darkseid gains power the more followers he has, it would be laughable to have him conquer the Earth, because then he would be utterly unstoppable.

The Anti-Monitor could not hurt him.
Superman on Smallville wouldn't have a chance in hell.

Zod teaming with Darkseid? That would be silly. Also, totally not how Zod would work.

 

[John Locke]

I don't think this Darkseid is looking for the Anti-Life equation. I just think this Darkseid is trying to take over the world. I mean not every villian on Smallville has been comic book accurate. Brainiac wanted to release Zod and then kill Clark. It wasn't until season 8 did he want to take the world's knowledge.

And your right Zod will not want to team up with Darkseid but Darkseid was released by Zod and the Kandorians going to New Krypton. So Darkseid could release Zod from New Krypton. Zod would have no choice but to work for Darkseid. Not that I'm saying this episode will include Zod.

 

[DavidB1111]

Whoa? Where did you get Darkseid being released by Zod?
That's completely impossible.

Not only did Darkseid's ghost form come in from off screen and flow towards the ground by the portal, and then manifest that way, but there's no way Smallville's writers would do the incredibly stupid thing of making Darkseid being released by Clark.

I'm sorry, but they would not do something that pants on head ******ed.
Especially after the last several stupid mistakes they made. I mean, really?

How did Darkseid's minions get here first?
How did Granny Goodness work on creating her furies on Earth, for the past 40 years, if Darkseid was only recently released?
How did Darkseid know anything about Earth if he was released by Clark doing that.
How was he trapped there?
How was a God ever trapped in the first place? Hello? He's a God. I'm going to use that word until I get the point across.
There are literally only a very select people powerful enough to trap Darkseid in any form.
I assure you, Darkseid on Smallville is the Ruler of the Planet Apokilpos, with all that it entitles.
Not some entity that was trapped and released by Clark.

I mean, come on, it's not that hard to tell they're trying to be accurate this time with Darkseid.

There's no way they would ever have made the placing of the Kandorians in New Krypton, not that it was named that, I don't think, summon Darkseid.

Sorry, but there is no way in hell they made Clark responsible for Darkseid this time.
They know they wouldn't even have a show if they did that.

Also, Darkseid looks more like his comic book counterpart than Brainiac.
Even if he's just projecting his psychic avatar. Which is what that mist is.

And since he was projecting his psychic avatar, and not really released. You can't think that mist was Darkseid in his real form, right?

He's nowhere close to a solid form now. So, how could he have been released?

I'm just not certain how anything shows that they didn't learn from their mistakes.

I mean, I'm sorry, John Locke, but what? I mean it, what?
There's no indication that Darkseid was released that way.

And as an added question, how in the hell would Darkseid, a freaking God, and ruler of a planet ever be released by something that was designed by Jor-El to send the Kandorians away?
I mean, that's the big question.

 

[John Locke]

I thought they already said that Darkseid was released by the portal opening up. Maybe released is the wrong word choice. But Kara said that Darkseid arrived on Earth by a rip in universe around the same time as when the Kandorians went through the portal.

To answer your other question. Hawkman said he had fought and defeated the Darkness before so maybe he trapped Darkseid in another dimension. An then Jor-El unknownly created a portal that leads to the same dimension.

 

[DavidB1111]

She said that? Boy this is weird.

They can't make him be released that way, they would never survive the s***storm that would result from it. I hope I didn't break any rules with that.

But he came from off screen, not by the portal. That's the main thing.

Plus, how could he have sent his minions to do things, if he himself was trapped?
And no, Hawkman could never even hope to contain Darkseid. He'd have a higher chance punching Superman to death.
On the surface of the Sun.


Plus, Granny started training at least 30 years ago. They would never retcon what they had in the same season. Let alone make it literally impossible to have happened.

They could never ever have Clark be responsible for the release of Darkseid.
Trust me when I say, there would be riots.

They would never be able to live it down.

 

[Webhead2006]

Sweet title. Can't wait to get some spoilers for it. Actually what we where told about darkseid arrival was this. When clark opened the portal to new krypton for the kandorians. It left a doorway/hole in the universe. Which darkseid spirit/spectral force was able to cross over from where ever he was before. Now we don't know if he did or did not have a true body before. Since they haven't really got into his past. Then as we found out in incarcus that darkseid has tried to take over the earth in the past only to be banished for some time. So probably during last time he tried to attack granny/desaad came to earth by there own means. To start an army for dakrseid to se the next time he was able to return. Which ultimately took a few decades to happen.

 

[Webhead2006]

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[The Caped Knight]

Zod's return

 

[Sawyer]

Strong possibility.

 

[Webhead2006]

would be cool if it is zod here and he joins up with darkseid crew. Though would be neat if he is in kent and they do have clark luthor hop over and clark luthor and zod team up.

 

[vantheman77]

Darkseid, Ultraman, Zod, and clone Lex together forming the baddest of the bad against Clark and the heroes. I can picture this being a Clark/ JL episode.

 

[DavidB1111]

Zod wouldn't likely ally with Darkseid against Clark. If anything, he would join Clark's side.

Actually what we where told about darkseid arrival was this. When clark opened the portal to new krypton for the kandorians. It left a doorway/hole in the universe. Which darkseid spirit/spectral force was able to cross over from where ever he was before.

But the mist/psychic avatar came in from a different direction then the portal stone thingy.

It doesn't really make sense for Clark being the reason Darkseid's here.
It means this show hasn't learned from the bigger mistakes it's made over the years, and that it inconceivable!

Also, yes, he's been here before. The only way I can accept they aren't spitting into the eye of God, or Jack Kirby, in this case, is if they claim Darkseid wasn't able to fully march upon the Earth because the stars didn't allign properly until Clark sent Zod into where ever he sent him.

So, if anything, it being just the final sign, the final indication that Darkseid could go on the earth, would make sense, and be okay in my book.

I mean, he's a freaking God of Evil, they cannot get that part wrong.
Sure he can be slowed down, sent back to Apokalpis, forced to wait, he has weaknesses, to a degree.

But Hawkman isn't anywhere close to strong enough to even bother Darkseid. He is literally a gnat in Darkseid's eye.

Now, Dr. Fate. Yeah. He could whip up some magic. But I don't think he was around back when Darkseid was first on earth.

The bottom line here is, they can't get away with completely making Darkseid ******ed. They know this. You should know this.

They have to bring in the full Lord of Apokalpis, God of Evil, most dangerous challenge for Superman ever, etc.

If they don't, I don't need to tell you, that the word lawsuit will be used by a lot of people.
Including whoever owns the rights to Jack Kirby's works.
Even if I have to be the one who suggests the idea to them.

I really wish Christopher Reeve didn't die. He could keep Tom Welling on the right path. And not the path of utter insanity and madness, and destruction.

 

[Webhead2006]

well if he wants revenge on clark for making him lose his army and sending him away i can easily see him joining with darkseid if the ends justify the means for him. and david we were told in show and the producers, that is how the spirit thing came. all we saw in the premiere was it coming to the portal key, probably since that was the source of the gateway. We didnt see it actually come out from portal. But that is what they said happened.

 

[DavidB1111]

Well, I hope you're wrong then.
Because that doesn't bode well.

They should have learned not to make Clark responsible for Darkseid.
It doesn't take a genius to realize that Darkseid cannot be mangled like all others.

If they reveal that Clark was responsible for Darkseid's release, and he isn't using his psychic avatar, and all that, then it will truly make the Henry James Olson debacle the most smartest decision they ever made on this show!

I do not need to tell you how bad it would be if they truly mangled Darkseid.
They cannot mangle him greatly.

It must be something simple, like we're misunderstanding, or Darkseid managed to get here because the portal sending Zod was the final sign that meant it was time for him to try to take over Earth.

That is the only thing that will save Smallville.
They cannot survive the storm that will be released if they do mangle Darkseid.

The outcry will make my freak outs on this forum look like nothing.
I will literally look as calm as you, at my most insane, compared to the result in the Real world.

 

[Webhead2006]

Nothing is wrong with that. Sure clark opened gateway. But it was just a tear in universe that allowed darkseid to come throw. So really it isn't his fault. He didn't know that would happen while sending the kandorians away.

 

[Brainiac 8]

How awesome would it be if it's Darkseid that opens up a boomtube to allow Zod to get back to Earth. Use Zod as a pawn to destroy Clark with, that would be awesome.

 

[Webhead2006]

Could happen we will see.

 

[DavidB1111]

Okay, why does everyone want Zod to work with Darkseid?
Did I miss some major comic event where Zod worked for him?

Seriously, unless there was an event where that happened, there is literally no reason to want Zod to work for Darkseid.

Zod hates Superman, duh. However, Zod wouldn't want to help a evil God to get revenge on Clark, though. It would be beneath Zod to do that.

Zod would more likely Zod Punch people, it's like a Falcon Punch, for suggesting the idea he would work for Darkseid.

Zod and Clark Kent working together against Darkseid is far more logical, and likely.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend in a way.
In this case, it would be the Enemy of my Enemy is my enemy.

But it was just a tear in universe that allowed darkseid to come throw

Ah. Well, that makes me happy then. Whew. No need to be hanging on by the skin of my teeth now.

The $64 billion dollar question is now, where did Darkseid come from?
And how is it going to work with his lore in the comics?
That is the big thing.
Hopefully it ends well.

 

[Prison Mike]

They don't have to follow every comic out there. Even if Zod has never worked with Darkseid before, that doesn't mean he can't in the show. Plus, I think it would be cool for two big bad guys to team up against Clark and the JL.

 

[DavidB1111]

Prison Mike, there's a difference between being cool, and retconning how Zod is.
You'd be totally okay with them completely changing the entire character of Zod, and making him work for Darkseid?

Honestly, I think you just love to be my exact Opposite.

Because I'm sorry, but Zod on Smallville is not a complete lunatic. Working for Darkseid wouldn't make sense for him.
Besides, we don't know if they're ever going to interact.

I'm still looking forward to the Chloe/Zod interaction that Al basically said would happen since last year.
Someone asked him on Twitter if Zod and Chloe would interact, and he said "Sorry, can't spoil it, you're going to have to keep watching."
Since it never happened, it means either Al was drunk when he wrote that, , or high, or he doesn't know what he's saying half the time.

I'd settle for a flashback.

Zod smiles. "You are as devious as you are attractive."
Chloe sighs happily. "Shut up and kiss me."

Seriously, if that happened, I'd be the happiest man on Earth. Well, until I won the lottery.