2012: A Monster Year? (box office predictions) - Part 2

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How is Snow White and the Huntsman looking audience / box office interest? Probable/possible success or a repeat of 'Mirror Mirror'?

Universal's marketing on this film has been superb. It has some definite crossover appeal, plenty of spectacle for men, and smartly downplaying KStew's involvement while ramping up Charlize's.

It will do far better than 'Mirror, Mirror' just on that alone.
 
They're playing this one much darker than Mirror Mirror. Like they went back to the actual Grimm version.
 
my picks

The Avengers - $360
Dark Shadows - $130
The Dictator - $40
Battleship - $110
Men In Black 3 - $150
Snow White & The Huntsman - $195
Prometheus - $160
Rock Of Ages - $100
Brave - $280
G.I.Joe - $180
Spider-man - $300
Ice Age: Continental Drift - $170
The Dark Knight Rises - $415
The Bourne Legacy - $173
Total Recall - $90
The Expendables 2 - $120

A lot of these are hard to predict given the conflicting release dates. I do think Spiderman will make Spiderman money, I don't hare how much people here wanna champion raimi, this will not only be a better film but since when does a spiderman film not make money? That being said ice age and something else big open right after it, whilst it's tuesday opening will have to deal with the previous weeks release. Why can't they just spread these films out throughout the year.

If Stewart can reign even half her twilight fans over from twilight SWATH will make at least as much as the first twilight.

Paramount is selling Joe as a strong film this time out, the stars are more recognizable and the time slot is more aggressive.

Avengers will make TF3 money(domestic)
Batman will make 100 million less just given the few things different between 2008 and now(Like both Bourne and Recall on it's tail).
 
People aren't predicting Spider-Man to make under 200mil because of Raimi, they are predicting that because it is a too soon remake with very little hype.

I think that the Raimi haters are the one's who are predicting 300 and 400mil because of their hatred for the previous series. I deal in facts and gut instinct when predicting, not fanboyism. I think the best the Spidey Reboot is going to do is 250mil, give or take a few million. I know nothing of the quality and will not comment on that one way or the other.

We will see what happens in July but I bet that it will not hit 300mil domestically.
 
Go into the Spidey forums...it's filled with crazies.
 
I left because the haters of the Raimi films wouldn't shut-the-****-up for one minute. I can't tolerate those boards for more than a few seconds to be honest. Not because they dislike the films but because they engage in hyperbole about all of them. Now they are the worst films ever and everything was a mistake and blah ****ing, blah. Bandwagon jumpers are the worst.

I have not hidden that I'm not interested in The Amazing Spider-Man because think that The Lizard is a **** villain, didn't care about 500 Days of Summer or it's direction, don't like that they are doing another origin and overall don't care for the plot details that I have heard. Not caring about it doesn't mean that my prediction is biased though, I mean I don't give a **** about a lot of films that I predict to be hits and failures. My interest level does not factor in one way or the other, if that were the case I would be predicting that MIB3 would open with 1 dollar and end with 2.

If anything I routinely over predict films to compensate for my lack of interest.

Anyway hopefully the movie is good because I like good movies but I have yet to see anything that has changed disinterest to interest.
 
There is a thread in there as I type this that asks if ASM will be better than SM1-3...and people are giving answers with reasons...when they haven't seen the gawtdamn movie yet.

It's some of the stupidest stuff I have ever seen. Not even the X-Men forums got that dumb.

Then there are people saying ASM will break 300 million domestic, 400 million domestic, 1 billion worldwide, etc. I can't stay in there for prolonged amounts of time or my nose starts to bleed.
 
Fantasy sports has a term for the phenomenom I like, "wishcasting". I'm invested in something I like, therefore it will do better than expected. I'm not invested in something I dislike, therefore it will do worse than expected.
 
A lot of these are hard to predict given the conflicting release dates. I do think Spiderman will make Spiderman money, I don't hare how much people here wanna champion raimi, this will not only be a better film but since when does a spiderman film not make money?

When it is a remake of the origin film only ten years later. ;) The buzz on this thing is really bad right now. Spidey will still make a lot of money (around $200 million is a hit), but look at how much lower XFC was than all the other X-films. Why? It didn't star Hugh Jackman and felt like a semi-reboot. This one doesn't star the actors audiences have accepted for ten years and is also on top of that retelling much of the first Spidey film. It may be better, but it will not make nearly as much.

I also think many on here are underestimating Rock of Ages. That things has a good shot of crossing $130-150 million. I think the rest of your list is solid.
 
I left because the haters of the Raimi films wouldn't shut-the-****-up for one minute. I can't tolerate those boards for more than a few seconds to be honest. Not because they dislike the films but because they engage in hyperbole about all of them. Now they are the worst films ever and everything was a mistake and blah ****ing, blah. Bandwagon jumpers are the worst.

I have not hidden that I'm not interested in The Amazing Spider-Man because think that The Lizard is a **** villain, didn't care about 500 Days of Summer or it's direction, don't like that they are doing another origin and overall don't care for the plot details that I have heard. Not caring about it doesn't mean that my prediction is biased though, I mean I don't give a **** about a lot of films that I predict to be hits and failures. My interest level does not factor in one way or the other, if that were the case I would be predicting that MIB3 would open with 1 dollar and end with 2.

If anything I routinely over predict films to compensate for my lack of interest.

Anyway hopefully the movie is good because I like good movies but I have yet to see anything that has changed disinterest to interest.

I agree with all of this. Well except for the Lizard being a **** villain. He was my favorite growing up. But I do think the character design in the film is pretty awful. I also am open to the tone, but I fear it will be too down-trodden for the material.
 
I agree with all of this. Well except for the Lizard being a **** villain. He was my favorite growing up. But I do think the character design in the film is pretty awful. I also am open to the tone, but I fear it will be too down-trodden for the material.
Yeah I like the Lizard and also don't like this design. Lizard should really have been covered in Raimi's films after all that setup. :csad:
 
The issue is kinda that Raimi already did the Lizard twice before in a sense. So the mentor who is also a bad guy thing doesn't seems as fresh. I pray Webb takes on Electro for a sequel, kind of a "this is who Parker would become if he just decided to be a massive ******* with his powers."
 
When it is a remake of the origin film only ten years later. ;) The buzz on this thing is really bad right now. Spidey will still make a lot of money (around $200 million is a hit), but look at how much lower XFC was than all the other X-films. Why? It didn't star Hugh Jackman and felt like a semi-reboot. This one doesn't star the actors audiences have accepted for ten years and is also on top of that retelling much of the first Spidey film. It may be better, but it will not make nearly as much.

I also think many on here are underestimating Rock of Ages. That things has a good shot of crossing $130-150 million. I think the rest of your list is solid.

First off, XFC had more going against it than just lack of Hugh and Halle. Every name involved in xfc in front or behind the camera screamed non a list studio sequel. Look at Lawrence for example, her name before this year and after. But that's another discussion. The comparison to spiderman falls very flat for the simple fact that the very same audience made the original spiderman an all time high grosser with even weaker names. imo.

The spidey brand was what pushed that film. Was Toby any more a draw than Garfield at this point in time? Sure he probably is now but not when comparing the same time frame. The only thing this film has going against it(other then the buzzy summer) is that it's an obvious reboot. The fact is that was literally what sold Begins. Sure the bat film was untouched material but this film has been promising untouched material as well. From his parents to his girl friend to the villian and jj and so fourth.

I loved raimi's films(especially the second) but objectively speaking this film looks just as good if not better in ways. For starters I'll take this villain over a crouching, growling, defoe goblin any day of the week. Any day....any day.
 
The issue is kinda that Raimi already did the Lizard twice before in a sense. So the mentor who is also a bad guy thing doesn't seems as fresh. I pray Webb takes on Electro for a sequel, kind of a "this is who Parker would become if he just decided to be a massive ******* with his powers."

Electro would be awesome(though cinematically played out).
The lizard is great for an origin because both he, and spiderman are creatures of human genetic animal splicing. To have him and his first villain be born of the same theme is very strong. What's more is that to have a genius Parker complete the formula that creates the villain(hasn't been done before) really pushes the responsibility theme to further heights.
 
McCavoy and Fassbender were no names last year?
 
The issue is kinda that Raimi already did the Lizard twice before in a sense. So the mentor who is also a bad guy thing doesn't seems as fresh. I pray Webb takes on Electro for a sequel, kind of a "this is who Parker would become if he just decided to be a massive ******* with his powers."

Electro would be awesome(though cinematically played out).
The lizard is great for an origin because both he, and spiderman are creatures of human genetic animal splicing. To have him and his first villain be born of the same theme is very strong. What's more is that to have a genius Parker complete the formula that creates the villain(hasn't been done before) really pushes the responsibility theme to further heights.
 
McCavoy and Fassbender were no names last year?

When XFC came out, they were hardly the draws that Xmen had enjoyed in the past. Even compared to the previous actors playing their characters.
 
Same with ASM...which means it won't do as good as any of the previous films. ASM has no draws actor wise as compared to the previous movies. Plus it's a reboot of a still fresh franchise. Plus the tone looks different than what everyone was expecting. Plus, not many people like the design choices.

ASM has an uphill battle like First Class had. Like Batman Begins had. Like Superman Returns had.

You mention First Class had non a-list in front and behind the camera players. First off, Matt Vaughn has more experience than Marc Webb by a mile. So there goes that. Who were the leads in First Class? Fassbender, McCavoy, and Lawrence. Who are the leads in ASM? Garfield, Stone, and Ifans. How is First Class non a-list but somehow ASM is? Sally Field and Sheen are out of the a-list as much as Bacon is. Garfield isn't a-list. Stone is getting there and so is Lawrence. They are pretty much exactly the same though I posture that First Class had one huge thing going for it as compared to ASM... Vaughn and Singer had control of the script. Sony has control of the ASM script...not Marc Webb.
 
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Same with ASM...which means it won't do as good as any of the previous films. ASM has no draws actor wise as compared to the previous movies. Plus it's a reboot of a still fresh franchise. Plus the tone looks different than what everyone was expecting. Plus, not many people like the design choices.

ASM has an uphill battle like First Class had. Like Batman Begins had. Like Superman Returns had.

And boom goes to dynamite.
 
Same with ASM...which means it won't do as good as any of the previous films. ASM has no draws actor wise as compared to the previous movies. Plus it's a reboot of a still fresh franchise. Plus the tone looks different than what everyone was expecting. Plus, not many people like the design choices.

ASM has an uphill battle like First Class had. Like Batman Begins had. Like Superman Returns had.
It has a huge uphill battle and anybody who denies that just likes the look of the movie too much to notice reality.

Now that doesn't mean that it's impossible for it to over perform but it's not going to be easy as it's Spider-Man! People used that same excuse when predicting 300mil for Batman Begins and Superman Returns. The Amazing Spider-Man is going to have be a damn good movie and the hype is going to have to actually exist before it comes out for it to reach 300mil. I see the Hype for The Avengers and Batman 3 and hell I even see some for Huntsman but I see very little if any for the Spidey re-origin.
 
Comparing the lack of star power in ASM to SM1 is ignoring one key fact. SM1 was the first time Spider-Man had ever been on the big screen. It didn't really matter who was in it, there would be interest for that fact alone. It was something that hadn't been seen before. ASM is the fourth time in a decade audiences have had a chance to see the character on screen, and the second time they've seen his origin story. Not only that but SM1 was at the beginning of the superhero boom and those few that came out before it were lower budget, lower scale films (even the first X-Men). You had to go back to Batman in 1989 to get another superhero film that was the same level of hype as SM1. Since SM1 we've had lots of big budget, superhero blockbusters. There are two others coming out this summer, both of which have more hype than ASM. Spider-Man just isn't as fresh as he used to be. It is a completely different environment now.
 
First off, XFC had more going against it than just lack of Hugh and Halle. Every name involved in xfc in front or behind the camera screamed non a list studio sequel. Look at Lawrence for example, her name before this year and after. But that's another discussion. The comparison to spiderman falls very flat for the simple fact that the very same audience made the original spiderman an all time high grosser with even weaker names. imo.

The spidey brand was what pushed that film. Was Toby any more a draw than Garfield at this point in time? Sure he probably is now but not when comparing the same time frame. The only thing this film has going against it(other then the buzzy summer) is that it's an obvious reboot. The fact is that was literally what sold Begins. Sure the bat film was untouched material but this film has been promising untouched material as well. From his parents to his girl friend to the villian and jj and so fourth.

I loved raimi's films(especially the second) but objectively speaking this film looks just as good if not better in ways. For starters I'll take this villain over a crouching, growling, defoe goblin any day of the week. Any day....any day.

I'm not basing my opinion on how the film looks with how it will do. For the record, I think it could be really good or really bad (and they ruined the Lizard much more profoundly for me than the GG), though I've heard of reports saying the latter. But that is irrelevant when talking about the success of summer blockbusters.

As you pointed out, XFC didn't do nearly as well because it didn't have Hugh, Halle and I'll just add Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and Anna Paquin to that list. Those are the well-known and well-identified faces with the franchise. All of them were or are now currently stars. The film that made Jackman and Paquin stars and put Halle over the top? X-Men. They're stars in 2011 when XFC opened because they were in the original 2000 film. Audiences didn't see one of them in the trailer and ads for XFC. So they stayed away even though Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence were stars on the make and the actual film was quite good.

Tobey Maguire was an indie darling (Pleasentville, The Ice Storm, Ride with the Devil, Wonder Boys, Cider House Rules) pre-Spidey, Dunst was an "It" girl in a few teen movies (Bring It On) and a few indies (Virgin Suicides) and Franco was best known for playing James Dean in a TV movie. But now? They're all considered "the stars of Spider-Man." So, a new Spider-Man flick opening in 2012, only five years after SM3 made $900 million WW, with none of them. Is that going to appeal to audiences more than a franchise star-less XFC? Not to mention the first trailer revealed it is also essentially a remake of the first Raimi movie from 2002?

That's why there is so little hype. The only people who are really looking forward to this film I find are the hardcore fanbase and children. It isn't catching on with teenagers and young adults like the last three movies did. So, it's going to need to be very good to catch their attention. You mention BB being a successful reboot, but most of its wild success was on DVD. It opened small and had an underwhelming box office take when you adjust for inflation the original Burton movie. But because it was good (like really good), it found its audience in the home market and the sequel was a mega-hit.

I think if TASM is actually good, it will follow the same trajectory in the next few years.
 
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I still have no idea how ASM has less stars than SM1. William Dafoe, alrighty - ONE guy. James Franco - just starting out. The people play Ben and May? Not many have heard of unless very older generations - this Ben and May a step up similar to Michael Caine for Alfred. I'd say Tobey was just a minor step up over Garfield, or maybe similar (depending, how was Cider House v. Social Network? cultural wise). And Emma Stone being the same as Kirsten Dunst was back then. Then there's a little name of Dennis Leary. Rhyss might be no Dafoe, but everywhere else? ASM has the most recognizable cast. So, call me dumb, who am I missing that places SM1 so high above in terms of star power? It has nothing to do with 'star-power' of ASM vs. SM1. How can it? And if anything ASM going back in a time machine even has more notable stars.

Also BATMAN BEGINS is the best comparison out there. And usual pattern with these films. Look at any franchise.
 
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