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2012 NFL Thread: Football's Fabulous Final Four

Mainstream sports media isn't running with it yet.

Ray Lewis did address his checkered past today. Basically it is exactly what you'd expect. "No one has lived a perfect life or made no mistakes." That is such a load of crock. My mistakes haven't resulted in two people getting killed and a coverup to get those people off. Ray Lewis's did.
Ya, but you also weren't raised in the ghetto as a 250+ lb beast of a man who's job it is to destroy other beasts of men. Come on, man, some context is important to accurately put things in perspective, just like the Michael Vick case. Not that it makes it okay, but it's still important to note. Did he **** up royally? Yes, but he certainly has changed himself since then, and he does deserve credit for that.
 
I mean, I don't know Lewis, or if you can even say he's changed or not. He seems like he has but even if is a 180 degrees different then he was in 2000, there is the whole "debt" to society he would still owe.
 
Ya, but you also weren't raised in the ghetto as a 250+ lb beast of a man who's job it is to destroy other beasts of men. Come on, man, some context is important to accurately put things in perspective, just like the Michael Vick case. Not that it makes it okay, but it's still important to note. Did he **** up royally? Yes, but he certainly has changed himself since then, and he does deserve credit for that.
I agree, I'm a firm believer in the idea of redemption and re-inventing yourself, and I never like to judge people on what they've done in the past because you can't change what already happened. You can try to fix the effect or make some positive change, but you can never go back and undo something, so there's no point in condemning someone who has tried to do good since.

Look at the Lance Armstrong situation. He did bad by cheating, and then continued to do bad by destroying the lives of anyone who tried to bring him down. Even now, after admitting he used PEDs and that he lied all those year, he didn't seem sincere in his apology, and that's more of a concern he's still only looking out for himself, whereas Lewis is using his past to help others not make the same mistakes.
 
There's a report in the past hour claiming that Ray Lewis has taken some kind of performance enhancer to recover from his injury.

pointless witchunt which wont matter after sunday anyway, also original article says many other NFL players used the substance including Drew Brees.So far I havnt seen any articles about Drew using banned substances
 
pointless witchunt which wont matter after sunday anyway, also original article says many other NFL players used the substance including Drew Brees.So far I havnt seen any articles about Drew using banned substances

I dunno. SI is running with it. This isn't ESPN or Skip Bayless mouthing off. If it turns out to be factual and there is hard proof....Lewis's legacy is going to take a HUGE hit.
 
Ya, but you also weren't raised in the ghetto as a 250+ lb beast of a man who's job it is to destroy other beasts of men. Come on, man, some context is important to accurately put things in perspective, just like the Michael Vick case. Not that it makes it okay, but it's still important to note. Did he **** up royally? Yes, but he certainly has changed himself since then, and he does deserve credit for that.

What a load. Michael Vick, Ray Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger....they all got off a hell of a lot easier than people in their same exact situations without the fame and money would have. Spare me the sob story....lots of people have it a lot worse than these entitled punks and they don't go around killing people, raping girls or torturing dogs.

Plus, the whole idea of playing football equating to redemption is an equally large load of ****.
 
This guy has looked/sounded so loopy in some public appearances as of late, I've actually wondered about it. Either that or he's high on God.
Please, Lewis has always acted hyper. Going by the 'he must be high' analogy, then he's been on something for years now. And maybe he has been. But he supposedly hasn't failed any NFL-mandated drug tests. Take that for what you will.

As for redemption, doesn't Ray give a lot of time and money to various charities? I don't think he's trying to say being a football player equates to being righteous. If that's how we in the general public take it, that's on us. Maybe we're reading the situation wrong.

And high-profile people have been getting away with stuff for years. It's hardly new and not exclusive to pro athletes. But by all means, label the athletes as entitled punks. Yay for that. :whatever:
 
What a load. Michael Vick, Ray Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger....they all got off a hell of a lot easier than people in their same exact situations without the fame and money would have. Spare me the sob story....lots of people have it a lot worse than these entitled punks and they don't go around killing people, raping girls or torturing dogs.

Plus, the whole idea of playing football equating to redemption is an equally large load of ****.

To Vick's defense, the man did serve time in prison as well as lost his money. He isn't comparable to Lewis and Roethlisberger.
 
People always lump Vick into the discussion unfairly. Dude did a two-year federal bid and is still seen as a pariah to some. If that's not punishment, then good night and good luck.
 
Exactly. The dude is still Satan to alot of people and a good number of those people are the biased dog lovers.
 
Yes he did his time....but doesn't mean pics like this are not hysterical...IMHO.

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He also did 2 years. Big deal. Regular Joe would have gotten 5x that amount of time for the same thing.
 
Please, Lewis has always acted hyper. Going by the 'he must be high' analogy, then he's been on something for years now. And maybe he has been. But he supposedly hasn't failed any NFL-mandated drug tests. Take that for what you will.

As for redemption, doesn't Ray give a lot of time and money to various charities? I don't think he's trying to say being a football player equates to being righteous. If that's how we in the general public take it, that's on us. Maybe we're reading the situation wrong.

And high-profile people have been getting away with stuff for years. It's hardly new and not exclusive to pro athletes. But by all means, label the athletes as entitled punks. Yay for that. :whatever:

Neither did Lance Armstrong.
 
pointless witchunt which wont matter after sunday anyway, also original article says many other NFL players used the substance including Drew Brees.So far I havnt seen any articles about Drew using banned substances

It's not pointless in the slightest. They'll have to investigate the rest of his career, and this could cost Ray a lot of (NFL) credibility, and could absolutely destroy his legacy.
 
It's not pointless in the slightest. They'll have to investigate the rest of his career, and this could cost Ray a lot of (NFL) credibility, and could absolutely destroy his legacy.
I don't think they'll do that. What would be the point, really? He's about to retire and it would just make the league look daft for not catching him if he did indeed pass all of their drug tests.
 
I don't think they'll do that. What would be the point, really? He's about to retire and it would just make the league look daft for not catching him if he did indeed pass all of their drug tests.

I 100% think they will. Look what's happening with baseball. If it turns out that for almost two decades the dude has been 'roiding up, there is no way they can not re-consider the dude's Hall of Fame entry.
 
I 100% think they will. Look what's happening with baseball. If it turns out that for almost two decades the dude has been 'roiding up, there is no way they can not re-consider the dude's Hall of Fame entry.
Hmmm, I'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think if the league gets to digging into these allegations, they could open up a can of worms regarding others and connections to HGH, which they don't test for and I suspect is used a lot among players. They're going to pop someone for not testing positive for something they don't test for, but easily could if they wanted to? Nah. Goodell has no desire to have that on his plate along with the head trauma issue.

It's easier to let this story die when Lewis retires on Sunday.
 
The NFL wouldn't dare to launch an HGH investigation. There's a good chance the league's superstars (ex. Adrian Peterson, RG3, Peyton Manning, Von Miller, etc) have dipped into HGH treatments after a major injury.
 
more than anything, celebrities getting away with murder (sometimes literally) is an indication that there's something wrong with the judicial system.

also, i really don't think that putting someone in jail automatically means that one would be reformed and rehabilitated, especially given the nature of jails which is to punish.
 
Plus, the whole idea of playing football equating to redemption is an equally large load of ****.
I don't think anyone is arguing this. Instead, what I meant, is that off the field he has had a positive impact on people. I believe there's stuff being said about how Goodell wants to make him an ambassador or something because he's come very far in a positive way since that first trouble. He could have easily become a Pacman Jones kind of person who was having troubles on and off the field constantly year in and year out. But he didn't. In fact, I believe this is the first black mark tied to him since the murder trial.

more than anything, celebrities getting away with murder (sometimes literally) is an indication that there's something wrong with the judicial system.
Well this is an idea that is definitely not new. Athlethes and celebrities have gotten off way too easy in comparison to the general public. Most of it has to do with money. Maybe not that they paid someone off, but rather that they could afford the best lawyers who would somehow find a way to get them off the hook or with the least damaging punishment possible.
 
Well this is an idea that is definitely not new. Athlethes and celebrities have gotten off way too easy in comparison to the general public. Most of it has to do with money. Maybe not that they paid someone off, but rather that they could afford the best lawyers who would somehow find a way to get them off the hook or with the least damaging punishment possible.

It's a sad fact, but one that's also cliché for me to say. Money rules the world. If you got it, you'll get far.
 
It's a sad fact, but one that's also cliché for me to say. Money rules the world. If you got it, you'll get far.
It truly is a sad fact, but ironically, it kinda works both ways. Just look at OJ. Whether you believe he did it or not, he had money and could afford Cochran to get him off of murder charges. But many years later, he didn't have money and got arrested for tax evasion charges.
 

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