2016 Presidential Third Party Discussion Thread.

[hippie_hunter]

I actually find a Johnson/Weld ticket to be quite smart, especially in this environment. If the rumors of the Koch Brothers giving him support are true, this may end up being a year where we see a third party candidate perform rather decently.

 

[enterthemadness]

I actually find a Johnson/Weld ticket to be quite smart, especially in this environment. If the rumors of the Koch Brothers giving him support are true, this may end up being a year where we see a third party candidate perform rather decently.

May cost him LP nomination. Already looking like before Weld and now Koch rumors it was leaning multiple ballots...at convention. LP delegates are unbound so anything can happen. But look...Johnson is being included in polls. He picked a VP who us a two term gov that can fund...even though he endorsed Kasich in Ohio, and Kasich kicked LP off ballot in Ohio...


I'm not confident. I'm friends with libertarians and maybe LP guys. Mixed bag response on Weld and Koch. One guy said he'll vote for Daryl Perry. Yeah...a 0.6% of the vote guy in election.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That would be stupid. Really, really stupid. People really need to look past principles and look at how reality works. A Johnson/Weld ticket would look very attractive to the general public, especially one that isn't fond of either choice this election. Their views are more in line with the general public, they have governing experience, and don't have the garbage that Clinton has. And Koch support would give them the resources necessary to have exposure to the general public.

 

[enterthemadness]

That would be stupid. Really, really stupid. People really need to look past principles and look at how reality works. A Johnson/Weld ticket would look very attractive to the general public, especially one that isn't fond of either choice this election. Their views are more in line with the general public, they have governing experience, and don't have the garbage that Clinton has. And Koch support would give them the resources necessary to have exposure to the general public.

I'm sure if Weld helps gets the LP back on the ballot in Ohio, all will be forgiven there. Perhaps when he endorsed Kasich he didnt know he would have LP kicked off of Ohio?

Hopefully the delegates make it Johnson/Weld. Of course in 2004 the two frontrunners didnt get it at convention...

Hopefully the delegates see the polls and media attention and go for it. Its been 40+ years and you didnt even break a million votes til 2012...Johnson and Weld may not be fully libertarian, but cmon.

As for Petersen and McAfee. They have my vote and time if they get it, but Johnson has better shot.

 

[summerteeth]

That would be stupid. Really, really stupid. People really need to look past principles and look at how reality works. A Johnson/Weld ticket would look very attractive to the general public, especially one that isn't fond of either choice this election. Their views are more in line with the general public, they have governing experience, and don't have the garbage that Clinton has. And Koch support would give them the resources necessary to have exposure to the general public.

It would certainly do better than any other Libertarian ticket.

 

[Kelly]

That would be stupid. Really, really stupid. People really need to look past principles and look at how reality works. A Johnson/Weld ticket would look very attractive to the general public, especially one that isn't fond of either choice this election. Their views are more in line with the general public, they have governing experience, and don't have the garbage that Clinton has. And Koch support would give them the resources necessary to have exposure to the general public.

But the Koch Brothers are from Satan.....

 

[enterthemadness]

But the Koch Brothers are from Satan.....

So unless Weld or somebody dumps nice change into Ohio, it won't be 50 ballot access by election day. 5 weeks to go and Ohio LP may not have resources to get back into ballot. Kasich kicked them off in 2014, but I read the party also couldnt get a low amount of sigs as well. Someone did the math on facebook and said with x amount of paid petitioners it be $300K ish to get back onto ballot.

Uggggggggh.

I read two other states may be in jeopardy as well. I know a got a email from LP about ballot access donations...

 

[Paradoxium]

The Koch Brother "kind of" endorsed Hillary anyways.

 

[enterthemadness]

Some big news.


http://race42016.com/2016/05/27/poll-watch-civitas-trump-clinton-within-moe-in-nc-johnson-pulls-8/


3 way match up in North Carolina.

Donald Trump: 40.5%
•Hillary Clinton: 38.2%
•Gary Johnson: 8.2%
•Undecided: 9.5%

This year's LNC is getting not only coverage from C-SPAN like it always does...but MSNBC and CNN are there as well! Seen on facebook them interviewing both Gary Johnson and Austin Petersen.

That's not even the full picture. Google Trends calculates that over the past seven days, there's been an accumulation of more than 650 news articles that reference the party (though keep in mind, thanks to wire services, this probably includes multiple publishings in different media outlets of the same piece). The Wall Street Journal notes that 250 reporters have requested media credentials for the convention, as opposed to the 10 or 20 who covered it in 2012. Stories about the convention are showing up on the Google News page as one of the top items in the U.S. news section and its list of "Most Popular" stories.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/27/the-increased-attention-on-the-libertari

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-johnson-hes-pulling-10-vs-trump-and-clinton/

^ Gary at 10% in another 3-way national poll.

Clinton - 38%
Trump 35%
Johnson 10%
Undecided 17%

 

[enterthemadness]

In other news.

The 2 hour Debate on C-SPAN will be 8pm to 10pm Saturday (tomorrow) This will be last LP debate.

Then Sunday morning on C-SPAN, 9:45AM TO 12PM, is the LNC Nomination voting and acceptance speeches.

There was a unofficial debate the day before the LNC officially kicks off. After this debate, a straw poll was conducted.

Gary Johnson – 35%
2.Austin Petersen – 24%
3.Darryl W. Perry – 23%
4.John McAfee – 13%
5.Marc Allen Feldman – 4%
6.NOTA – 1%

https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016...-straw-poll-results-johnson-weld-clinch-wins/

Johnson and Petersen isn't a surprise, But McAfee in 4th is.

 

[enterthemadness]

So, of course Johnson and Weld got their noms at convention...but both of them got it on the second ballot each, not first.

After a slew of media appearances on CNN, Fox News and Fox Business, CBS News, MSNBC, some new polls.


Also Gary Johnson will be on Sunday Morning's Meet the Press on NBC. Where I live something else is on, but MSNBC seems to have replays on later on that day.

Quinnipiac Poll (Nationally)


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/0...ry-clinton-40-donald-trump-38-gary-johnson-5/

When it's a 4-way race, it comes down to...

(D)Clinton: 40%
(R)Trump 38%
(L)Johnson: 5%
(G)Stein: 3%

Rasmussen Reports Polling. (Nationally)

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...linton-libertarian-johnson-has-a-pulse-barely

(D) Clinton 39%
(R) Trump 37%
(L) Johnson 8%
Somebody else 12%
Undecided 4%

State Polls below.


Michigan 3 way.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...1861-michigan-poll-clinton-sanders-lead-trump

(D) Clinton: 36.8
(R) Trump: 32.7
(L) Johnson: 11.5%

New Jersey 4 way

(D) Clinton: 37%
(R) Trump: 31%
(L) Johnson: 5%
(G) Stein: 4% (thought it was 3, but wiki says 4%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016

A lot more polls I found on Wiki, so take that for what it's worth, but all seem legit. State polls for May and early June has him at 4% to 11.5%.


Fundraising, he has two Super-PAC's. Purple PAC which was used for Rand Paul is now aiming at Johnson. And Alternate PAC. One of them is getting a $1 Million plus donation already.

http://independentpoliticalreport.c...ibertarian-presidential-nominee-gary-johnson/

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...er-pac-donation-coming-for-libertarian-ticket

 

[enterthemadness]

So, some polls. These are two 4-way polling polls from Sunday and Tuesday(today).


Not the direct link, and dunno if it's a phone or online polling, but...


Guardian/SurveyUSA:

Clinton: 39%
Trump: 36%
Johnson: 6%
Stein: 4%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Now Stein's 4 way avg. Only been in a few polls.


^ 3% for her and 5% for Johnson in 4-ways. Johnson gets 8.4% in 3-way polling avg, but this doesn't include his 2 10% showing's in Morning Consult Polling Surveys...hmm.

In a online poll...by NBC/SurveyMonkey

Clinton: 42%
Trump: 38%
Johnson: 9%
Stein: 5%

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/poll-trump-clinton-who-is-winning-224298

Also a third Super-PAC for Johnson/Weld. This one is allied with Weld more than Johnson. Since these people running this Super-PAC have known Weld for years and years.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/13/another-johnsonweld-superpac-announced-r

 

[Mysteryman]

I like the green party but they have only been on my radar for the last 3 or so years

I have voted for the green party in the past.
I have no interest in this years Libertarian Ticket.

 

[enterthemadness]

BREAKING


http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-me...-town-hall-with-libertarian-candidates-224387


CNN will air a Johnson/Weld townhall on June 22nd at 9pm. If I recall, it's a live townhall. This is HUGE. Watch live or set your dvr people.


First Fox Business held a two part Libertarian Pres. Debate on Stossel. And now CNN with a townhall. And he's been on late night tv this month on Full Frontal with Samantha Bee on TBS on back to back episodes and Colbert on Late Show on CBS.

 

[enterthemadness]

I have voted for the green party in the past.
I have no interest in this years Libertarian Ticket.

What do you think of Jill Stein?

 

[enterthemadness]

A new ad has emerged. No word on if a Super PAC made it or not.

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On Occupy the Media Facebook page...this ad has 43K+ so far.



And a new ad directly from Johnson campaign. On Facebook this ad has 3.3M+ so far.

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[SV Fan]

If the Libertarian and Green Parties were smart, they would go to solid blue and red states(avoid the actual swing states) and push the idea of voting your conscious. If done right both parties can probably pick up alot of disenfranchised voters and come out this election with a number of votes that looks good on party and then try build on that in the future.

 

[enterthemadness]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ial-debate-sites-preparing-for-possible-third

Via Politico article, there's been informal contact with Johnson campaign.


This does not mean a 3rd party will debate...but the fact the CPD is preparing just in case. That's good news.

 

[Matt]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ial-debate-sites-preparing-for-possible-third

Via Politico article, there's been informal contact with Johnson campaign.


This does not mean a 3rd party will debate...but the fact the CPD is preparing just in case. That's good news.

Its really not.

I get it, third party, idealism, yay!

But the fact is, the cold, hard, numerical, fact is Gary Johnson cannot win. Putting him on the stage is a distraction from what should be the main purpose of a debate, informing the public about actual contenders and letting them fight it out. The debates aren't the place for little moral victories of a fringe candidate. Having an informed electorate, in this particular election, is more important than ever before. Not a second of this debate ought to be wasted. And that is exactly what would happen every moment that the camera is on Johnson. It is a wasted opportunity for undecided voters to learn about Clinton and Trump and their policy distinctions.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

as much as I like having 3rd parties involved, I sort of don't want Gary Johnson at the debate. I'd much rather have the debate be about Hillary flaying Trump while he completely loses his mind, then have it be all about "look how wacky Gary Johnson is LOL"

 

[enterthemadness]

as much as I like having 3rd parties involved, I sort of don't want Gary Johnson at the debate. I'd much rather have the debate be about Hillary flaying Trump while he completely loses his mind, then have it be all about "look how wacky Gary Johnson is LOL"

The only wacky person running is Trump.

Chicago Tribune calls for Gary Johnson to be in debates.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-libertarian-debate-edit-20160805-story.html

Also seen USAToday and Orlando Sentinel post similar articles.

Johnson is currently at 8.8% in 3 way polling. He hit 10% in a 4 way NBC SurveyMonkey poll out today.He is also at 16% in Utah via Utah Policy Survey out yesterday.

 

[Matt]

The only wacky person running is Trump.

Chicago Tribune calls for Gary Johnson to be in debates.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-libertarian-debate-edit-20160805-story.html

Also seen USAToday and Orlando Sentinel post similar articles.

Johnson is currently at 8.8% in 3 way polling. He hit 10% in a 4 way NBC SurveyMonkey poll out today.He is also at 16% in Utah via Utah Policy Survey out yesterday.

Never-the-less, the threshold is 15 % nationally. He still has a way to go. And McMullen entering the race certainly will not help him as there are now two anti-Trump conservative candidates. His lead in Utah is bound to fall due to McMullen (a Mormon). If Romney endorses McMullen (which is possible), he may very well become the new conservative sweetheart, anti-Trump guy...in which case the notion of Johnson reaching 15 % will become impossible.

 

[enterthemadness]

Never-the-less, the threshold is 15 % nationally. He still has a way to go. And McMullen entering the race certainly will not help him as there are now two anti-Trump conservative candidates. His lead in Utah is bound to fall due to McMullen (a Mormon). If Romney endorses McMullen (which is possible), he may very well become the new conservative sweetheart, anti-Trump guy...in which case the notion of Johnson reaching 15 % will become impossible.

I don't think McMullen has time to get on ballot in Utah. Maybe as a write-in. Technically he could hit 20-30..ballots...but a decent portion of ballots deadlines is due in days and weeks ahead. I know he's on...maybe one state ballot.

If McMullen is included in polling nationally...the polls are biased, cause Castle of Constitution Party is on, I think, 18 ballots, and he is not included in polling. McMullen probably won't even hit 10 ballots by election day.

 

[Victarion]

Is Gary picking up more of the afterberner vote than Dr Stein?

 

[2kt09]

A likely scenario, since the party itself has always had a larger built-in voter base after the last election.