3 cops dead at Baton Rouge police HQ

[terry78]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/17/us/baton-route-police-shooting/


Come on, man.

 

[MadVillainy]

jesus christ

Everytime I turn on the TV, every time I refresh the page. SOmething is even more f***ed

 

[Victarion]

Here we go again.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Hey 2016, can you tone it down a bit?

 

[DeadPresident]

This is the new norm, it's going nowhere.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

This a pretty ****ed up new norm.

Sorry to say, but the RNC is going be an absolute ****storm. I'm terrified to see what happens there.

 

[Kyle]

What the hell?

Is this becoming a more daily routine now?

Psychologically/sociologically thinking - it could be reasonable to suppose that all of these are connected. One fire lighting the other in a chain reaction. The easiest and most commonly known example being suicide on college campuses, there's a lot of help offered immediately when that happens because a suicide could influence others to act similarly. We have also seen this in school shooting chains, a bunch of them being connected one right after another. Could explain it, maybe.

 

[Victarion]

Nah, its the afterberners that'll make the DNC a real good show.

edit: As for the shooters - guys, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[MadVillainy]

This a pretty ****ed up new norm.

Sorry to say, but the RNC is going be an absolute ****storm. I'm terrified to see what happens there.

Agreed

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Nah, its the afterberners that'll make the DNC a real good show.

edit: As for the shooters - guys, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I'm more so talking about possible violence. A terrorist attack or someone going bonkers with an AR-15 seems more possible at the RNC than the DNC.

 

[DeadPresident]

This a pretty ****ed up new norm.

Sorry to say, but the RNC is going be an absolute ****storm. I'm terrified to see what happens there.

I agree. But, the way to solve the problem is nearly impossible to navigate because all parties concerned are pulling 100% in different directions.

 

[Victarion]

That would be idiotic on behalf of the hypothetical perps for a couple of reasons:

1. That's how you start on the road to a more militarized police force
2. That's possibly how you get yourself a Trump presidency.

I might be looking ahead more than any hypothetical perps though.

 

[DeadPresident]

What the hell?

Is this becoming a more daily routine now?

Psychologically/sociologically thinking - it could be reasonable to suppose that all of these are connected. One fire lighting the other in a chain reaction. The easiest and most commonly known example being suicide on college campuses, there's a lot of help offered immediately when that happens because a suicide could influence others to act similarly. We have also seen this in school shooting chains, a bunch of them being connected one right after another. Could explain it, maybe.

The USA has had a societal problem with mass shootings for over a decade, but deterioration in social relations is sending this into fever-pitch now. The cops vs civilians thing is going to be escalating, each cop killing makes the cops more edgy, each civilian death at the police's hands makes the average citizen more paranoid - and the cycle builds. A few more high profile ones and a civil war or at least martial law start looking much more likely.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

So how many cops have died so far this year? Is it about the same amount as usual and the media is just sensationalizing everything, or is it going to be higher this year?

 

[Victarion]

I don't think its quite as clear cut, DP. The cops are definitely a major faction in this whole affair, but there's also plenty of civilians that support them. If my bookface is any indication, your average civy's gonna pull a "Quite breaking the law *******!" in response to any future shootings. Basically, the lines will be muddier than what you present, which will make it all the more complicated.

I don't foresee martial law at all, being honestly. I think that's just doomsaying nonsense.

 

[DeadPresident]

So how many cops have died so far this year? Is it about the same amount as usual and the media is just sensationalizing everything, or is it going to be higher this year?

Could very likely be toughly the same number, but we've gotta be honest and say after the Dallas shooting the dynamic has changed - having potentially trained people going out with the sole purpose of killing cops in reaction to police behavior doesn't really have precedence the way we're seeing it unfold now.

 

[DeadPresident]

I don't think its quite as clear cut, DP. The cops are definitely a major faction in this whole affair, but there's also plenty of civilians that support them. If my bookface is any indication, your average civy's gonna pull a "Quite breaking the law *******!" in response to any future shootings. Basically, the lines will be muddier than what you present, which will make it all the more complicated.

I don't foresee martial law at all, being honestly. I think that's just doomsaying nonsense.

Completely fair, we're just seeing the most vocal agents representing either extreme at the moment. But, in this day and age the loudest voices dictate which conversation is had, so the fact that moderate citizens aren't speaking up (or likely aren't getting enough airtime) is a direct detriment to the whole situation.

I don't think martial law is likely necessary, but I think it'll start creeping into people's minds if we get to the beginning of September and we've had like 5 more of these topics or a couple more incidents like Dallas. The fear of going out into the public can only go so far before it starts unraveling.

 

[Victarion]

Can't argue with your first point at'all. Martial law has probably occurred to the more paranoid individuals, but I think its entirely unfounded.

 

[Kyle]

The USA has had a societal problem with mass shootings for over a decade, but deterioration in social relations is sending this into fever-pitch now. The cops vs civilians thing is going to be escalating, each cop killing makes the cops more edgy, each civilian death at the police's hands makes the average citizen more paranoid - and the cycle builds. A few more high profile ones and a civil war or at least martial law start looking much more likely.

Mass shootings. Yes. This is specifically cop based. As said and you agree, feels like each event is lighting fire for the next. Only way I see this ending is slowly fading away over time or another LA riots type of event in which case, I'd be really scared (in NYC, foresee a potential riot in some major city).

See something like this --



As said, in the U.S. we've seen something like this happen in reality in 1992. Scary thing here is it's not just tensions rising primarily in LA, but around the country so this time it might be more than one country falling apart like this.

 

[Victarion]

Most of these major cities have fairly stringent gun control laws, so I doubt it would be as bad as you fear if anything actually happened. I don't think it'll be any worse than bricks, bottles, and bats - if it comes to it. Granted those can still be used to inflict some really nasty head trauma, which was my main concern when I saw protestors throwing bricks at the police officers whenever it was (last week I think?).

But again - I think your fear is unfounded, Kyle. The other night there was supposed to be some kind of "Day of Rage" thing against the police. Nothing came out of it, so I don't see any reason to be overly concerned at this point.

 

[samsnee]

I'm going to bury my head in the sand for the rest of the year. Feel free to join me.

 

[Kyle]

I don't really see people with guns. I've never seen guns used in the LA riots. Just a lot of breaking things, looting from stores, reckless physical violence and a lot of fires. Maybe the LA riots did have a lot of guns and I just never saw that footage from it. But, basically LA riots with little guns. Right now, don't see it as coming soon - but if this continues and keeps on building, think LA riots could be potentially possible because (I could be wrong) police violence was the key cause behind it.

 

[DeadPresident]

Can't argue with your first point at'all. Martial law has probably occurred to the more paranoid individuals, but I think its entirely unfounded.

But as we've seen with the advent of social media it's the loudest and most unreasonable voices that determine public sentiment and discourse, that's the concerning part. It gives the illusion that the entire country is foaming at the mouth and split in two while not being true.

Mass shootings. Yes. This is specifically cop based. As said and you agree, feels like each event is lighting fire for the next. Only way I see this ending is slowly fading away over time or another LA riots type of event in which case, I'd be really scared (in NYC, foresee a potential riot in some major city).

See something like this --



As said, in the U.S. we've seen something like this happen in reality in 1992. Scary thing here is it's not just tensions rising primarily in LA, but around the country so this time it might be more than one country falling apart like this.

I don't think anything is drastically going to change, but there's going to be gradual worsening and deterioration. If we start heading into 2019/2020 with the same rate of incidents slowly escalating something will give at some point. This isn't a runaway train, it's creeping slowly towards some kind of inevitable meltdown.

 

[Kyle]

I don't think anything is drastically going to change, but there's going to be gradual worsening and deterioration.

Not seeing criminal law. But violent riots. If riots broke out today, I think the police would be targeted, but those who are wealthy would inevitably get drawn into being targeted as well because of everything that's going on. If a riot broke out in NYC, I would not feel safe staying in my comfortable upper West Side apartment because like in TDKR I see that as quickly becoming a prime attack area.

The danger I see is if this continues and an LA type riot breaks out. Since this is more country-wide agitation building up, one riot could very easily inspire the next. Not a unified attack move, but as simple as one sparks the next. Basically using LA Riots as a road map in seeing what's happened in the past out of a reaction to similar acts while also seeing that the agitation building up is more widespread than it was then country-wide. The LA Riots alone were difficult to control, I see the LA Riots just times two as truly being a nightmare. If LA and NYC break into riots, that I believe would be very hard for the government to take control of in a fast and efficient manner. As said, I don't see it as being that big of a stretch because it would merely be history repeating itself play by play. I don't think anything more than that will happen, but those riots - like the LA riots were - would be frightening to have unfold.

 

[LoganGambit87]

there are seriously people like this who are allowed to breathe air

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