5.17 - Void (Spoilers) Discussion Thread

[Serene]

The funny thing about that is the original and first 2 sequels are now, I think, out of what would be considered mainstream continuity thanks to the TV show and spinoffs.

Close. For the generally accepted continuity amongst those that are still fans of HL, in order it's - the first movie, the TV series, the fourth movie, and the new movie coming out. Some of us like to pretend that 2 and 3 never happened.

I guess the ill-fated "Raven" spin-off is accepted as canon by most series fans.

Of course, there are always other views. I know there are fans of *just* the movies who never even watched the show.

AFAIK, Adrian was "informed" that some SV fans were hoping for him to play Zod. I have no idea if it ever went any further than that. Fortunately, the person who told him happens to be big fan of both shows.

 

[AgentPat]

...the ep is only 3 weeks off....

The ep with Zod won't air till May - it's the finale.

And, as far as Muscles' casting info...

Not that it's completely out of whack that:
They'd already have somebody cast...
Who's an unknown...
Before they have a finalized shooting script...
To play ZOD!...

C'mon folks. It's Muscles.

 

[KalKai]

TV Guide Description for Void
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Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

 

[Serene]

TV Guide Description for Void
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Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

Grreeeeaat. Now Lana gets to be a junkie? *le sigh*

I am excited to see Clark running through the "Honduran" jungles though.

Lionel knowing is such an interesting turn to take. I'm sure he uses this to get closer to Martha, but I'm not sure that she's his only goal. Remember how badly Lionel wanted the stones for the power they reportedly held.. now he has Clark, with unlimited power potential. I can't see Clark and Martha suddenly trusting Lionel, but perhaps they will have no choice.

Exciting stuff! I can't wait for this show to start up again.

 

[The Caped Knight]

TV Guide Description for Void

Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

I don't even want to know how lana get's hooked on Kryptonite.

I can't wait to see Clark going after Brainiac.

Lionel is going to become a dangerous threat to Clark, now that he knows his secret.

I can't wait.

 

[triplet]

TV Guide Description for Void

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Lana gets hooked on a dangerous serum made of green kryptonite; Clark searches for Prof. Fine in Honduras, and discovers Lionel knows his secret. Fine: James Marsters.

Weren't there spoilers that had Clark in the Phantom Zone in Void?


I guess not, unless it's moved to Honduras...

 

[KalKai]

It was a fake description on wikipedia.

 

[triplet]

Ah....

Gotcha.

 

[avidreader]

Wow! These upcoming episodes are sounding really interesting.

I like seeing a pro-active Clark and it will be interesting to see what this serum does to Lana.

I have read that this story is about what Smallville would be like if Clark hadnt arrived on earth. Maybe its from Lana's perspective.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

it will be interesting to see what this serum does to Lana

A) She becomes Superpowered or just plain crazy

B) She sees / learns Clarks Secret

C) She screws over Lex & pisses him off

D) She pisses off Chloe

E) She learns about Clark

F) When Lana comes back to normal Lana she remembers NADDA

There you go thats the Episode for you in terms of Lanas Story. Personally I am not interested in at all to see what a Kryptonite Serum would do to Lana because its obvious & its obvious how it will end.

 

[triplet]

I have read that this story is about what Smallville would be like if Clark hadnt arrived on earth. Maybe its from Lana's perspective.

Interesting.... like a Clark "It's a Wonderful Life"



However, if she discovers through this "dream" or whatever it is, that her parents would be alive if it weren't for Clark then how will that affect her feelings for him?

 

[avidreader]

Interesting.... like a Clark "It's a Wonderful Life"



However, if she discovers through this "dream" or whatever it is, that her parents would be alive if it weren't for Clark then how will that affect her feelings for him?

That's a very interesting question.

She would need to come to terms with the fact that it wasnt his fault, just like he has to come to that conclusion.

Remember she already suspects that someone came down in a spaceship during the first meteor shower.

She eventually is going to have to find out too that the second meteor shower hapened because she stabbed Genevieve with the Airstone.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

If Clark never showed up well Lana would have died in the Tornadoes

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait is the the episode were they had casting calls for Lana's parents? Oh crap she is going to be tripping.

 

[AgentPat]

I have read that this story is about what Smallville would be like if Clark hadn't arrived on earth. Maybe its from Lana's perspective.

Where'd ya read that, just out of curiosity? If Clark hadn't arrived on Earth, Smallville would have been just like any other yokel town in the middle of nowhere U.S.A. (My apologies to those living in such locations - you know my point.) Or is the theory that the meteor shower(s) still would have occurred but Clark wouldn't have been there? If so, Kansas would have merged with Oklahoma by now thanks to Gabriel...

I hate if/then scenarios. LOL

 

[avidreader]

Where'd ya read that, just out of curiosity? If Clark hadn't arrived on Earth, Smallville would have been just like any other yokel town in the middle of nowhere U.S.A. (My apologies to those living in such locations - you know my point.) Or is the theory that the meteor shower(s) still would have occurred but Clark wouldn't have been there? If so, Kansas would have merged with Oklahoma by now thanks to Gabriel...

I hate if/then scenarios. LOL

I wont say where I read it, if you wanna PM I'll tell ya, but if it doesnt come true then I'll never believe the source again.

However, I see the "Clark not coming to earth" being more along the lines of showing us all the good things that have happened to the people in his life as a consequence of him being there.

At this point in time he is in much despair because he feels that he has brought alot of pain and suffering to the people that he loves.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait then wouldn't Clark still be there? So it would be more like what would of happened if there was no meteor shower. Especially if this is from Lana's perspective. She doesn't know he is an alien.

 

[triplet]

I wont say where I read it, if you wanna PM I'll tell ya, but if it doesnt come true then I'll never believe the source again.

Copy me on that PM too, please....

However, I see the "Clark not coming to earth" being more along the lines of showing us all the good things that have happened to the people in his life as a consequence of him being there.

At this point in time he is in much despair because he feels that he has brought alot of pain and suffering to the people that he loves.

That would be good for him to see, I think... he needs to get over the guilt he feels about that.

 

[AgentPat]

I wont say where I read it, if you wanna PM I'll tell ya, but if it doesn't come true then I'll never believe the source again.

Hee! Okay, I'll PM ya after this post.

However, I see the "Clark not coming to earth" being more along the lines of showing us all the good things that have happened to the people in his life as a consequence of him being there.

At this point in time he is in much despair because he feels that he has brought a lot of pain and suffering to the people that he loves.

Sounds interesting, but wouldn't it make more sense to be seen from Clark's perspective? e.g. - so HE can see what good he's done?

BTW... since Fragile follows this episode, I'd be willing to bet Void has a LOT of flashback scenes. Read: filler. Yeah, I said filler. They probably had to give Welling time to prep Fragile, just as Schneider couldn't be in Memoria because he was off preparing Talisman. Just a hunch. Your source may indeed be very correct on this, Avid.

 

[avidreader]

Hee! Okay, I'll PM ya after this post.

Sounds interesting, but wouldn't it make more sense to be seen from Clark's perspective? e.g. - so HE can see what good he's done?

Hmm... that's true. Didnt get my head around that the right way did I? Well we've seen in the trailer, or heard, that Jonathan is giving him a little pep talk about him being a symbol of peace and other stuff. So that fits.

BTW... since Fragile follows this episode, I'd be willing to bet Void has a LOT of flashback scenes. Read: filler. Yeah, I said filler. They probably had to give Welling time to prep Fragile, just as Schneider couldn't be in Memoria because he was off preparing Talisman. Just a hunch. Your source may indeed be very correct on this, Avid.

That's what I was thinking and why I thought it made sense.

Copy me on that PM too, please....

You've gotta PM.

 

[avidreader]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417).[/FONT]

 

[The Caped Knight]

Hey this sounds really good. WB Official Description.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/voiddescription.htm

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JONATHAN KENT RETURNS — Still distraught over her break-up with Clark (Tom Welling), Lana (Kristin Kreuk) experiments with a dangerous serum that allows her to flat-line and see her deceased parents again. A worried Clark rushes to save Lana from hurting herself, but ends up being injected with the kryptonite-laced serum by a rogue doctor (Patrick Currie). When Clark flat-lines, he is able to talk to his father, recently deceased Jonathan (John Schneider), who warns him that Lionel (John Glover) knows his secret.. Meanwhile, Lionel continues to get closer to Martha (Annette O’Toole). Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Holly Harold and directed by Jeannot Swarc (#2T6417).[/FONT]

Sounds awesome .

 

[Lara]

hmmm I could see Lana trying that in order to see her parents I quess. However I hope it's not really out of depression over a break up she's a stronger woman than that.

 

[avidreader]

hmmm I could see Lana trying that in order to see her parents I quess. However I hope it's not really out of depression over a break up she's a stronger woman than that.

They make it sound like she's doing it out of despair, but maybe she knows the true nature of what the drug can do. But then why would you do that to yourself.

What was that movie with Keifer Sutherland and Julia Roberts?

 

[AgentPat]

What was that movie with Keifer Sutherland and Julia Roberts?

"Flatliners."

Y'know, I'm surprised nobody has picked up on the religious connotations to this ep. If Clark flatlines (read: DIES!), which enables him to have a conversation (while still "dead") with his previously deceased father, who then proceeds to warn him about something he knew before he died (Lionel knowing Clark's secret), what are the SV writers saying here?

I loved Hidden because of the wonderful use of metaphor, even if they did hit us over the head with the Christ analogies, but I think they're taking the Touched-by-an-Angel angle to a new level with this episode.