52 Is Killing DC

[Vic Von Doom]

There, I said it. The weekly series "52" is killing DC. Sure it's entertaining, with multiple plotlines (Montoya, Booster, Black Adam, Steel, Dibny, Lost Space Heroes) and horrible back-up stories, but it's hurting DC as a whole, I think.

I think it is taking up so much time of the DC staff, that they don't have time to notice that after Geoff Johns character defining, iconic run on the Flash, Bilson and that other guy are ****ing up. They don't have time to notice that Bruce Jones turned Jason Todd into an octopus.

I just don't get it. I really dug the first issue of Wonder Woman, a book I've never read before, I fell in love with Checkmate, I was crack addicted to Identity Crisis and Infinite Crisis and everything in between, but such huge missteps are unbelievable.

I have to think that the hectic schedule of putting out 4 24 page comics every month is getting to them, and they're starting to slip a tad. Although, as I said, I enjoy 52, I'll be glad when it's gone I think.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I agree on flash and and Nightwing...but...I don't think that's 52's fault. In fact....52 is the main book I'm interested in reading at DC right now.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

There, I said it. The weekly series "52" is killing DC. Sure it's entertaining, with multiple plotlines (Montoya, Booster, Black Adam, Steel, Dibny, Lost Space Heroes) and horrible back-up stories, but it's hurting DC as a whole, I think.

I think it is taking up so much time of the DC staff, that they don't have time to notice that after Geoff Johns character defining, iconic run on the Flash, Bilson and that other guy are ****ing up. They don't have time to notice that Bruce Jones turned Jason Todd into an octopus.

I just don't get it. I really dug the first issue of Wonder Woman, a book I've never read before, I fell in love with Checkmate, I was crack addicted to Identity Crisis and Infinite Crisis and everything in between, but such huge missteps are unbelievable.

I have to think that the hectic schedule of putting out 4 24 page comics every month is getting to them, and they're starting to slip a tad. Although, as I said, I enjoy 52, I'll be glad when it's gone I think.

the hell? how the hell does a weekly comic effect other comics. 52 is edited by one person and co written between 4 writers. so what the **** does that have to do with flash and nightwing sucking? so how the **** is it taking too much time? know your facts bro.

 

[jaydawg]

I actually agree. Johns himself is spread far too thin. Could GL be a more mundane title?

Hell, pretty much everyone who wasnt Superman or Batman got ****ed when it comes to relaunches. Robin is worse than ever (not to mention the joke Cass has become). GL is still the exact same crap it was before. Nightwing... well lets just say Spidey isnt the only character out there getting a total raping. Everyone is in agreement about the sucktitude that is Flash, Teen Titans is a shadow of its former self. WW is a mess at the moment, but even if everything clears up after the first five issues, an author who knows absolutely nothing about comics is taking over the title. The only real thing left to look forward to is JLA, and the roster choices are quite suspect (Hawkgirl? Hal again? Lack of Jonn? Come on).

And that doesnt even start at the mess created by New Earth. Like the Crisis before it, everythings in shambles and continuity isnt getting explained. Does anyone really want another Hawkworld on their hands?

 

[Deathlok2001]

I liked the current issue cause ISIS is BACK!!!!

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

robin was a pretty mediocre book before beechen came along and how the is WW a mess when only one issue has been out? and so far almost everyone on this board has liked it. i still dont see the correlation between 52 and the entire comics its affectinmg. the reasons you two gave doesnt prove anything.
and wtf does johns writing multiple books has to do with robin,flash, andnightwing sucking. just bad writers on the books, nothing to do with 52.

 

[jaydawg]

Its sad you cant figure it out. They're spending so much time on this one thing, they've lost sight of the bigger picture.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Hmmm, I'm loving more DC titles than ever. So...no.

 

[Elijya]

really? well DC seems to think it's a huge hit and is already trying to think of a way they might be able to keep it going past issue 52

 

[Elijya]

I have to think that the hectic schedule of putting out 4 24 page comics every month is getting to them, and they're starting to slip a tad.

You do realize that they put out, like, 5 dozen 24 page comics a month, right? I think they can handle 4

 

[Assassin]

no, its not.

 

[BrianWilly]

There have always been good books and bad books going on simultaneously with any comic book company. There were shtty DC books before the Crisis and there's going to be shtty DC books after the Crisis; what in the world does this have to with some writers not writing a book that they, well, weren't even writing in the first place?? Johns left the Flash before Infinite Crisis even came out, just like he always meant to. Even if he wasn't working on 52 -- with a bunch of other writers, mind you -- he still wouldn't be working on the Flash. Even if there wasn't a 52 at all, chances are that Bilson would still be writing Flash and Jones would still be writing Nightwing. See where your logic kind of falters?

Could GL be a more mundane title?

GL, a mundane title?? What a shock!! It was a mundane title even before 52 was ever announced, somehow I don't see how it is 52's fault that it continues to be a mundane title.

Honestly, compared to the organized chaos that Infinite Crisis and its over 100 crossovers put the DC staff through, it's ludicrous to think that putting a few people to work on a weekly series is all of a sudden going to grind the entire machine to a halt. I mean, how incompetent would they have to be to let that happen??

It's all just personal opinion anyway. I'm excited for DC right now. My pull list has been larger than ever.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think 52's having a detrimental effect on DC. It's not taxing the editors too much to notice other comics because different editors work on the comics mentioned. Stephen Wacker edits 52, Joan Hilty edits The Flash, and Peter Tomasi edits Robin and Green Lantern.

The only real argument I could see is that Johns' work has suffered lately. I don't think that has to do with 52, though. I think that has to do with his inclinations for certain characters and the fact that he's got too much stuff going on at the moment.

 

[Anubis]

Killing DC? Hogwash.

 

[Purple Man]

I actually like Green Lantern. Manhunters and Cyborg Superman? Hal having to deal with all the GL's he messed up in Emerald Twilight is nice too.

52 has been wonderful. The only small grievance is that we have had a couple one day weeks, and maybe they could actually take note of the date instead of just [Week 12 Day 1] Have [Wednesday July 26th]. I am also a little dissapointed that they didn't take any notice to the fourth of July which was completely skipped over in Week 8. I wasn't looking for anything big, maybe just some fireworks and someone making a comment about how all the heroes had to fight for the worlds independence time and time again.

 

[Doc Destruction]

There were fireworks, btw

 

[twylight]

I don't see how it's 'killing' Dc. In fact 52 is one of my favorite titles, mostly because I love the everyday type feeling in it.
Also as stated earlier by one of the big three in this thread, my DC pull list is steadly growing.

You can't blame 52 for the Nightwing, you can only blame the editor and hope that they get a new one.

 

[Doc Destruction]

2 or 3 clunkers and a LOAD of good new books. I'd say DC is doing just fine.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually like Green Lantern. Manhunters and Cyborg Superman? Hal having to deal with all the GL's he messed up in Emerald Twilight is nice too.

The proper verb is "murdered."

 

[Assassin]

agreed ^

 

[Lorendiac]

The proper verb is "murdered."

No, as I understand it, "murder" requires that the person doing the killing be in his right mind at the time; sane and in control of his own actions. Just the fact that people get killed by violence is not enough to automatically make it "murder."

Hal didn't meet that definition. Parallax had largely taken control of his brain by then. (Of course, it was only about 11 years later that we learned this convenient excuse existed!)

 

[yenaled]

52 killed my dog.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, as I understand it, "murder" requires that the person doing the killing be in his right mind at the time; sane and in control of his own actions. Just the fact that people get killed by violence is not enough to automatically make it "murder."

Hal didn't meet that definition. Parallax had largely taken control of his brain by then. (Of course, it was only about 11 years later that we learned this convenient excuse existed!)

Actually, murder doesn't require any kind of mental acuity. It's the unlawful killing of one human by another. That's it.

 

[Darthphere]

Im actually enjoying 52, but some of these storylines are just painful. Like the Steel storyline, does anybody care at this point? And it seems like theyre going to drag some of these stroyline all 52 issues, like the Montoya and Question sotryline, we already know Intergang is still around OYL so where that ends up, who knows. But overall 52 has been good and some of your arguments are flawed.

Nightwing sucks because Dan Didio was going to kill Nightwing because he ddint like him. The one day someone told him that Nightwing is quite possibly DC's most popular character among comic book fans and they scrambled and got hack Bruce Jones to write it.

Flash sucks because DC thought putting the writers of a 10 year old failed tv show was an excellent choice to write the Flash.

GL sucks because Jonhs cant have Hal Jordan with a specik of dirt on him, hes a perfect angel and extremely boring, and no GAH, Hal is not dealing with anything so you can take your argument somewhere else.

 

[Lorendiac]

Actually, murder doesn't require any kind of mental acuity. It's the unlawful killing of one human by another. That's it.

Here's the URL I looked at before I wrote that response about the use of the word.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/murder

It starts out with this sentence:

"murder n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way), and with no legal excuse or authority."

However! After you challenged me on this, I checked an online dictionary and found the following:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

"murder. n. 1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice."

So it appears that I was using the legal definition, and you were using what we might call the broader, "casual conversation" definition. (Or, in other words, I guess I was wrong to challenge the use of the word "murder" in describing Hal's actions, unless it's being used as a formal charge against him in a court of law, in which he would presumably beat the rap if he could convince the judge of the veracity of his Parallax defense?)