6.11 Justice - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Serene]

Time for us to go shopping for our Depends again, I see.

And our canes.. so we can BEAT PEOPLE with them.

 

[Eros]

I don't understand you most of the time, Eros. Are you trying to be funny, or to insult me?

No insult, Just saying you are like whine.

 

[Serene]

No insult, Just saying you are like whine.

Like waving a blowtorch over thin ice...

 

[Eros]

Like waving a blowtorch over thin ice...

you never heard the expression madam, of how fine whine gets better with age?

 

[The Caped Knight]

Animated series aren't nearly as influential as their live action counterparts. For the most part, the public considers TV cartoons kid's programming and dismisses the genre as such, unless the show is particularly edgy and flagged for its adult content (The Simpsons, South Park, etc.)

Sorry Pat but your 100% dead wrong .

A lot of Animated series are very well popular ,

Examples

1. Batman: The Animated Series / The New Batman Adventures / Batman Beyond

2. Spider-Man (1967 TV series) / SPIDER-MAN : The Animated Series

3. Superman : The Animated Series

4. X-men : The Animated Series

5. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987–1996)

6. Justice League/JLU

7. Teen Titans

8. The Transformers / Beast Wars

9. Fantastic Four

10. Iron Man

11.The Incredible Hulk

12. The Silver Surfer

the rest of the list is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_series


My point is alot of animated series are well reconized and are quite popular among the general public .

 

[triplet]

*yawn*

 

[Eros]

Sorry Pat but your 100% dead wrong .

A lot of Animated series are very well popular ,

Examples

1. Batman: The Animated Series / The New Batman Adventures / Batman Beyond

2. Spider-Man (1967 TV series) / SPIDER-MAN : The Animated Series

3. Superman : The Animated Series

4. X-men : The Animated Series

5. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987–1996)

6. Justice League/JLU

7. Teen Titans

8. The Transformers / Beast Wars

9. Fantastic Four

10. Iron Man

11.The Incredible Hulk

12. The Silver Surfer

the rest of the list is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_series


My point is alot of animated series are well reconized and are quite popular among the general public .

correct Kal-el, and those series popularized many of the superheroes to a new yuonger aduience. Especially BTAS, which was huge back in its day.

 

[Cmill216]

Sorry Pat but your 100% dead wrong .

My point is alot of animated series are well reconized and are quite popular among the general public .

And yet that doesn't mean they're more influential than their live action counterparts, which is what Pat said and which is what you failed to respond accurately to.

Though, Batman TAS is God. :heart:

 

[Brainiac 8]

you never heard the expression madam, of how fine whine gets better with age?

Wine gets finer with age......Whine is what you do when you don't get your way.

That sounds much nicer.

 

[Eros]

Wine gets finer with age......Whine is what you do when you don't get your way.

That sounds much nicer.

LOL oops, sorry serene.

 

[Serene]

LOL oops, sorry serene.

S'okay.

But for future reference.. the whole "fine wine" thing? Not really flattering. Best to just not go there.

I'm fine with my age (most days) and I'm honestly happy for every year I get.

 

[Eros]

S'okay.

But for future reference.. the whole "fine wine" thing? Not really flattering. Best to just not go there.

I'm fine with my age (most days) and I'm honestly happy for every year I get.

okay I understand

 

[triplet]

I'm fine with my age (most days) and I'm honestly happy for every year I get.

I'm very happy for every year you get too!

*hugs*

 

[MJZ]

He's a big SV fan though. He and his roommate watch every week, then he calls me to talk about it. Such a good boy. :heart:

Hehe, I do the same with my mom.

Amazing how popular this show is across the demographics. I told a bud of mine in the Air Force to check out the DVD sets a few years ago and since then he and his wife have been tuning in every week.

Friends of mine who I thought would never be into this kind of show turn out to be faithful viewers too.

 

[AgentPat]

...To say those shows have had no impact is a joke.

Please quote me where I said that.

Hell the cartoon has even had more of an impact on the comics then what SV could have ever wished.

So? Meaningless to John Q. Public.

S:TAS is what really brought Superman back to the public eye IMO and not because of the actors but because of the stories.

Guess you missed all those Variety articles I've posted, but I'm not gonna bother reposting 'em 'cause you obviously haven't been reading them.

Same as Batman you want to compare things go to the Bat-board and ask who do they think of when they read or think of Batman Conroy or Bale and 9 out of 10 will say Conroy when then think of Batman. Hell go into the Superman board or better yet the comics or Misc section [on a message board for superhero discussion and ask the same about Superman putting Welling, Daily and Newbern and I bet you Welling would lose because it was never about the actors but the stories and though they are very different because one is a cartoon and one isn't S:TAS did bring back Superman to the public. ...Hell if you look around most Superman fan fourms fans are usually split about their views on SV but when talking about TAS it is usually the same.

What part of "general public" did you not understand, All Star?

The GENERAL PUBLIC wouldn't know George Newbern, Kevin Conroy and Susan Eisenberg from a hole in the wall. Get out from behind your fanboy/comic book blinders and try to see these things from the perspective of people who...

• think comic books are for kids,
• don't know the difference between Marvel and DC,
• have no clue what the Crisis is (or was),
• wouldn't know Alex Ross from the guy at 3rd base on the NY Yankees,
• use the term "Kryptonite" like they would "Achilles Heel," but have no clue what either actually are,
• never heard of characters like Brainiac, Mxyzptlk, Martian Manhunter, Dr. Hamilton, Morgan Edge and even Lana Lang prior to seeing them on Smallville...

Look, I'm not saying comic books and superhero cartoons exist in a bubble and only fanboys appreciate them. On the contrary. I know they're popular. Hello?!!!!

But superhero cartoons on television just *aren't* that important to the GP when you compare them to other live action programming. If they were, they'd be all over prime time on major networks instead of shows like Grey's Anatomy. C'mon peeps! Think logically for a minute, will yas? We're talking about the *general public* here. These are people who think you need a passport to travel from Arizona to New Mexico, couldn't name a senator from their home state, or pick Australia out on a world map.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Now this I have to disagree with although I do believe Tom Welling is Superman to some and not Superman to others I don't believe he kept the legend alive in the public eye. IMO that honor goes to S: TAS and JL and JLU. They are what kept Superman and Batman alive in the public eye. I mean if not for B: YAS I don't think Batman Begins would have came out as soon as it did. Thats what I think kept Superman in the public eye.

Ten years ago when Superman was dead Lois and Clark resurrected the character. The show was a smash the first two seasons. Yeah yeah, season 3-4 went downhill after certain creative people such as the producer left.

Actually the height of popularity for L&C was quite bigger than SV or TAS imo.

I know among general Superman fans it seems whenever there is a question of "How would you do this kind of scene in Superman?" the inevitable answer is always "LIKE S:TAS"

Lex's portrayal? People want TAS
Brainiac? People want TAS
etc...

So just to catch the public eye maybe live action such as L&C or SV pulls them in. BUT it's TAS that ultimately becomes the diagram for how Superman should be represented.

All imo of course

 

[AgentPat]

Wow. Guess it had to happen once...

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yeah we agreed. I'm scared too

 

[blksuperman2]

Well this debate is hilarious. Most women I've talked to have never heard of any of the animated series. You asked them about SV and even if they've never watched it they at least know something about it.

On the other hand a lot of guys I know want nothing to do w/ SV and think that the Timmverse cartoons are the best thing since sliced cheese.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Please quote me where I said that.

So? Meaningless to John Q. Public.

Guess you missed all those Variety articles I've posted, but I'm not gonna bother reposting 'em 'cause you obviously haven't been reading them.

What part of "general public" did you not understand, All Star?

The GENERAL PUBLIC wouldn't know George Newbern, Kevin Conroy and Susan Eisenberg from a hole in the wall. Get out from behind your fanboy/comic book blinders and try to see these things from the perspective of people who...

• think comic books are for kids,
• don't know the difference between Marvel and DC,
• have no clue what the Crisis is (or was),
• wouldn't know Alex Ross from the guy at 3rd base on the NY Yankees,
• use the term "Kryptonite" like they would "Achilles Heel," but have no clue what either actually are,
• never heard of characters like Brainiac, Mxyzptlk, Martian Manhunter, Dr. Hamilton, Morgan Edge and even Lana Lang prior to seeing them on Smallville...

Look, I'm not saying comic books and superhero cartoons exist in a bubble and only fanboys appreciate them. On the contrary. I know they're popular. Hello?!!!!

But superhero cartoons on television just *aren't* that important to the GP when you compare them to other live action programming. If they were, they'd be all over prime time on major networks instead of shows like Grey's Anatomy. C'mon peeps! Think logically for a minute, will yas? We're talking about the *general public* here. These are people who think you need a passport to travel from Arizona to New Mexico, couldn't name a senator from their home state, or pick Australia out on a world map.

What in the .... Pat What's with all the Bull? This isn't like you

 

[AgentPat]

What in the .... Pat What's with all the Bull? This isn't like you

Chalk it up to learning somethin' new every day, Kal. I stand behind what I wrote, though BlkSupes had an interesting thing to say in that last post as well, which leaves me stroking my chin in quiet contemplation...

 

[The Caped Knight]

Chalk it up to learning somethin' new every day, Kal. I stand behind what I wrote, though BlkSupes had an interesting thing to say in that last post as well, which leaves me stroking my chin in quiet contemplation...

I'm sorry Pat but in this subject You don't know Jack .

 

[AssMan]

I think this recent break is making fans angry & when fans get angry they snap at other fans. I blame the break

 

[triplet]

I'm sorry Pat but in this subject You don't know Jack .

On this subject, all I can see you using for references are your own very biased assumption and anecdotal evidence...

She provided articles from the major trade paper for the entertainment industry.

I'd personally take Variety's data over your anecdotal evidence any day of the week.

You provide concrete proof that comic animated series are more influential to the general public than live action, I'm all ears...

 

[Serene]

I think this recent break is making fans angry & when fans get angry they snap at other fans. I blame the break

LOL! I think you might have a point there.

You provide concrete proof that comic animated series are more influential to the general public than live action, I'm all ears...

Might not want to hold your breath on that one.