7.20 - Arctic - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[b24]

i remember prodocers of the show said the ending of show will add up with whole superman myrhology specailly with 1st superman movie

so maybe shot of clark flying outside of FOS after his trainning juts like in 1st superman movie

 

[Superfreak]

Why? Because I'm entertained, I like the actors, their chemistry, the production quality, and I'm curious about how the series will portray this version of Clark Kent becoming Superman in the end. Every series has its faults, even Lost and Battlestar Galactica, nothing is perfect, some people are always looking for excuses to hate something, just part of human nature.

see, I don't want to hate smallville. In fact, from week to week, I search in vain for something great about the show, but the bad always outweighs the good.

 

[b24]

^^^but there are episodes like Descent(u gotta admit that episode was damn good) so i hope we get episodes like descent, apocalypse, gemeini, bizarro type in seseaon 8

not wrath, feirce, quest type episodes

 

[joke]

Superfreak, I understand what you're saying. I'd say the biggest problem with the show, apart from the complete destruction and bastardization of the Superman mythos (don't worry, I know it isn't connected to the comics/it's an alternate universe/it's a fresh take. I'm just saying..), is the main character. For the last seven seasons, Clark has been complaining about his destiny and being different, fighting it, whining, crying.. he's been more emo than all the emo kids in the world combined.
I'd definitely like this show a lot more if there was a scene where Clark, standing in a field with a clear sky and the sun shining, realizes something, hits the classic Superman pose and says: "I've complained enough, I'm an alien but I still look human and there are lots of people who like me, so I'm going to use my powers for the good and become a real hero."
You know, something like that.. with less corny dialog than I could muster up.

 

[LadyVader]

The problem I have with Clark is that his own predominant trait is not kindness or goodness since like somebody else noted, I think it was Superfreak, Clark doesn't act out of the goodness of his heart. He reacts, taking the offensive only when somebody close to him is in trouble. Therefore his defining characteristic for me is fear. He's always afraid. Afraid somebody will discover his secret, afraid he'll end up in a lab, afraid he'll hurt the ones he cares about or that they'll get hurt because of him.

In seven seasons I haven't once just seen him take pride in something he's done. I'm not talking pride as in arrogance, but seriously, saving somebody's life is something special and not once has he shown any kind of pride over the good deeds he's done. He's always going on and on about how his existance makes everything so complicated, but seriously, he's the one who's making things complicated for himself. If he'd take pride in his good deeds, than he could realise that he really is special and can have a positive influence on people's lives. Because that's what makes Superman. But if Clark himself thinks of himself then how could the world think any differently about him?

 

[Mikelus]

The biggest mistake was to drag the story for more than five seasons, season five was perfect to end the show, instead we got more Clanadrama, Clark not assuming who he is, etc. The new people in charge know it, Tom Welling knows it, they have to move things forward, I think they will with S8 being the last, time will tell I guess.

 

[b24]

Superfreak, I understand what you're saying. I'd say the biggest problem with the show, apart from the complete destruction and bastardization of the Superman mythos (don't worry, I know it isn't connected to the comics/it's an alternate universe/it's a fresh take. I'm just saying..), is the main character. For the last seven seasons, Clark has been complaining about his destiny and being different, fighting it, whining, crying.. he's been more emo than all the emo kids in the world combined.
I'd definitely like this show a lot more if there was a scene where Clark, standing in a field with a clear sky and the sun shining, realizes something, hits the classic Superman pose and says: "I've complained enough, I'm an alien but I still look human and there are lots of people who like me, so I'm going to use my powers for the good and become a real hero."
You know, something like that.. with less corny dialog than I could muster up.

juts to let u know show follows lots of comic cannon so no it's not bastardizing superman "mythoes" or whatever u call it as for your second point

let's see how many people clark saved this seseaon alone who don't know him

Bizarro= he saved that kid and his father(remember

Action = saved that actress twice 1st from car accident and 2nd from bullet

Fracture= his scene with alexender where he says "i will be there for u because u are my freind" if he wanted clark woulnd't have cared that much about alexenader

Apocalypse= he triend to stop lex for destroying whole earth even in AU

Quest= saving edward teauge who almost killed him

so tell me isn't this heroic enough

 

[b24]

He reacts, taking the offensive only when somebody close to him is in trouble.

u are right

edwared teague

that kid and his ftahre(Bizarro)

Actress from Action

werer very close to him so that's why he saved their lives

 

[b24]

In seven seasons I haven't once just seen him take pride in something he's done. I'm not talking pride as in arrogance, but seriously, saving somebody's life is something special and not once has he shown any kind of pride over the good deeds he's done. He's always going on and on about how his existance makes everything so complicated, but seriously, he's the one who's making things complicated for himself. If he'd take pride in his good deeds, than he could realise that he really is special and can have a positive influence on people's lives. Because that's what makes Superman. But if Clark himself thinks of himself then how could the world think any differently about him?

well they are adding more depth to his character other than typical "boy scout " attitude

i m sorry to say but these days superman is considered "boring " superhero for a reseaon because many people complain that "he is juts too perfect and it's so boring, why he doesn't have any normal problems"

franchise like batman, spiderman all worked because those superheroes showed human flaws

so do u expect clark to be going "i am all good "attitude

another reseaon why SR was cold turkey at box office( because superman lacks that character depth of batman and spiderman

IMO show will becoming boring if clark is too perfect on the show then people complain why doesn't he have any weaknesses

i know that superman is not all that emo well too bad this version of superman is emo who is lana sick puppy

show was suppsed to be introduction of superman to much younger audience who never grew up with old superman showes so that's why soap opera and love traingles teen anguish

this show was never meant to be for much adult audinece and never will

 

[MAN O STEEL]

franchise like batman, spiderman all worked because those superheroes showed human flaws

incorrect. They worked co's they were just executed well with a strong script. Why do you think STM worked so well amongst a cynikal movie audience who were more interested in darker movies like the excorcist & the Godfather?? co's Superman had human problems? no because it was executed right. That's the whole point of Superman. He works in a cynikal world by being an example of whats right & showing them. You don't humanise superman so little punk emo kids can go, "YEAH!!, superman wants to cut his wrists just like me, I like him so much now" .





Steve

 

[Gold Samurai]

well they are adding more depth to his character other than typical "boy scout " attitude

i m sorry to say but these days superman is considered "boring " superhero for a reseaon because many people complain that "he is juts too perfect and it's so boring, why he doesn't have any normal problems"

franchise like batman, spiderman all worked because those superheroes showed human flaws

so do u expect clark to be going "i am all good "attitude

another reseaon why SR was cold turkey at box office( because superman lacks that character depth of batman and spiderman

IMO show will becoming boring if clark is too perfect on the show then people complain why doesn't he have any weaknesses

i know that superman is not all that emo well too bad this version of superman is emo who is lana sick puppy

show was suppsed to be introduction of superman to much younger audience who never grew up with old superman showes so that's why soap opera and love traingles teen anguish

this show was never meant to be for much adult audinece and never will

That's partially why we have things like "Superman is a Dick" he's perceived as being so powerful that people can't relate to him anymore. Batman is dark and brooding. Peter Parker is penniless

 

[b24]

^^^ i stated weeks ago that times have changed

those time of 70's (christopher reeve's superman movies ere ) have gone

u are right these days batman is preffered more than superman because "he is dark and brooding" and superman is almots god like with no flaws whats so ever

now if they make clark on smallville all too perfect with no whinning, no teen anguish this will please some fans who are more truthfull follower of superman mythoes BUT what about those who are not that much familiar with superman cannon will they buy about an alien living in a farm who has no weakness no human like emotion and he just love to help people and all too happy superhero

nope this won't work in live action show because let's face it clark being all perfect will work in one , two 3 or 4 episodes then it will become as repetive as clark whinning about his destiny

let's give them credit where it's due because show ran for 7 years going for its 8th year

how many live action showes on superman have been on air that long

and there have been any scifi/superhero live action show which ran for 8 seasons( other than buffy which also ran for 8 years)

so throughout all these sesaons clark have had all the human emotions and he has been far from perfect

 

[b24]

. That's the whole point of Superman. He works in a cynikal world by being an example of whats right & showing them. You don't humanise superman so little punk emo kids can go, "YEAH!!, superman wants to cut his wrists just like me, I like him so much now" .





Steve

i was so disapointed when SR failed at box office and some junk like X men last stand did better than SR

 

[KBX]

i was so disapointed when SR failed at box office and some junk like X men last stand did better than SR

Thats easy, when Xmen 1 & 2 were both good movies, and made a good amount of money, its common sense that X3, would make good money, with or without being a good movie. like the Spidey franchise.

SR had nothing to fall back on except for promotion and good reviews.

 

[Syncos]

That's partially why we have things like "Superman is a Dick" he's perceived as being so powerful that people can't relate to him anymore. Batman is dark and brooding. Peter Parker is penniless

but Superman IS a dick.

http://www.superdickery.com/dick/1.html

 

[COMPO]

incorrect. They worked co's they were just executed well with a strong script. Why do you think STM worked so well amongst a cynikal movie audience who were more interested in darker movies like the excorcist & the Godfather?? co's Superman had human problems? no because it was executed right. That's the whole point of Superman. He works in a cynikal world by being an example of whats right & showing them. You don't humanise superman so little punk emo kids can go, "YEAH!!, superman wants to cut his wrists just like me, I like him so much now" .





Steve

hang on at what point has Clark ever said I want to slit my wrists!

 

[Superfreak]

juts to let u know show follows lots of comic cannon so no it's not bastardizing superman "mythoes" or whatever u call it as for your second point

let's see how many people clark saved this seseaon alone who don't know him

Bizarro= he saved that kid and his father(remember

Action = saved that actress twice 1st from car accident and 2nd from bullet

Fracture= his scene with alexender where he says "i will be there for u because u are my freind" if he wanted clark woulnd't have cared that much about alexenader

Apocalypse= he triend to stop lex for destroying whole earth even in AU

Quest= saving edward teauge who almost killed him

so tell me isn't this heroic enough

Being Heroic, and being a Hero are two different things. Can you please stop saying that SV sticks to canon without backing it up please?

also, just because it happened in the comics, doesn't always mean it's a good idea, even more especially when something is being intertextualized, and transplanted into the smallville 'environment/universe', resulting in bastardization, more often than not.

 

[b24]

one thing i liked was that Lex remained the same lex that is deluisonal person who has saviour complex

i like lex this way (it is trutfull to comics ) and that will make him dangeroud because in his mind he is doing the right thing but in reality he is the biggest threat to world than superman

they didn't show him completly going "all evil" on clark like in movies

so even lex meets clark in future lex will still consider clark a threat to humanity

 

[epc11223]

^^^ i stated weeks ago that times have changed

those time of 70's (christopher reeve's superman movies ere ) have gone

u are right these days batman is preffered more than superman because "he is dark and brooding" and superman is almots god like with no flaws whats so ever

now if they make clark on smallville all too perfect with no whinning, no teen anguish this will please some fans who are more truthfull follower of superman mythoes BUT what about those who are not that much familiar with superman cannon will they buy about an alien living in a farm who has no weakness no human like emotion and he just love to help people and all too happy superhero

nope this won't work in live action show because let's face it clark being all perfect will work in one , two 3 or 4 episodes then it will become as repetive as clark whinning about his destiny

let's give them credit where it's due because show ran for 7 years going for its 8th year

how many live action showes on superman have been on air that long

and there have been any scifi/superhero live action show which ran for 8 seasons( other than buffy which also ran for 8 years)

so throughout all these sesaons clark have had all the human emotions and he has been far from perfect

you cant really say that seven or eight seasons is really long considering its on a network that is extremely bad. i think seventh heaven was on for a really long time too, but that doesn't mean that it was any good. personally, i never watched the show so i cant say if its good or not, but the show was basically for girls. would smallville have lasted this long if it were on abc or nbc? smallville's ratings have had a steady decline. while it is great that it has lasted long, the show has wasted its potential. the creators never wanted a show about superman, and that is where i believe is the problem. they never wanted clark out of smallville and we essentially have a superman show with no superman. that is why i think the fans are so fed up. we have lois, clark and jimmy in metropolis and we are to believe that its to lead to superman 1?

they were on the right track with the creation of the fortress but so many things have changed in this version of superman, that the show is losing the fans who have kept with the show for so long. lets face it, it is the teenage girls and the fans of the comic books who probably normally watch this show; take away the fans of the comics and i doubt the show would have lasted as long as it did. this is very sad to me because this show could have been a fantastic introduction to superman with a season or two of welling in the suit, instead we really have gotten dawson's smallville.

 

[epc11223]

well i actually didnt mind dawson's creek, had some good stories i guess, but would have liked the first four seasons of clark turning into superman, and then the next four with superman and change the name to metropolis. it would have worked alot better and the stories would have been more tighter without having quite as many filler episodes.

 

[LadyVader]

^ Wow, I agree whole heartedly! Though I never expected it to be a show about Superman . I understand the no tights rule (though not necessarily the no flying rule since there are so many superheroes who can fly these days) and the revamping of classic Superman mythology. Let's face it, once you turn Mxpltzyk into a bookey, all respect for mythology has pretty much flown out the window, and yet I wanted it to be at least faithful to the core characteristics that make Superman what he is. He's brave, proud, compassionate, in a word, heroic. Instead Clark is always scared, ashamed of his abilities, cares only about the people close to him, in a word.. angsty. Add to that an erratic development of characters (take Lana for instance), convoluting plot lines (like Veritas, which was good but contradicted most of the first 4 seasons) and you have a mess of a show that after 5 decent seasons, not only jumped the shark... it jumped the whole freakin primordial pool.

 

[the gael]

Clark is driven by fear only because of one thing : he has no secret identity.
Producers and writers are trying so hard to prevent Clark from becoming superman to keep the show as long as they could to make more and more money that it basically damage the whole purpose of the show : " How Clark will become superman ? "
Clark has met the whole justice league were every members has a secret id... except him. Lex tried to discover his secret, and even black canary said he needed a secret id. And what happens ? Nothing !

 

[Doright]

^ Wow, I agree whole heartedly! Though I never expected it to be a show about Superman . I understand the no tights rule (though not necessarily the no flying rule since there are so many superheroes who can fly these days) and the revamping of classic Superman mythology. Let's face it, once you turn Mxpltzyk into a bookey, all respect for mythology has pretty much flown out the window, and yet I wanted it to be at least faithful to the core characteristics that make Superman what he is. He's brave, proud, compassionate, in a word, heroic. Instead Clark is always scared, ashamed of his abilities, cares only about the people close to him, in a word.. angsty. Add to that an erratic development of characters (take Lana for instance), convoluting plot lines (like Veritas, which was good but contradicted most of the first 4 seasons) and you have a mess of a show that after 5 decent seasons, not only jumped the shark... it jumped the whole freakin primordial pool.

I think he's more cautious than Scared. Like was said above this is mostly because he doesn't have a secret identity yet. One he realizes has has to act he doesn't hesitate to do it... Even if it riskes his identity. There have been more times I could list over the years where clark used his powers to save someone ignorining the dangers to his "secret"

It's really only the past two seasons where clark started taking bad guys down before they could see him or identify him. Strangers he saved didn't know him as Clark and would only remember the hot guy in red and blue who saved them.... Which in the future the most they will do when superman is public is go... Hey... that's the guy who saved me that one time.

 

[SouLeSS]

you cant really say that seven or eight seasons is really long considering its on a network that is extremely bad. i think seventh heaven was on for a really long time too, but that doesn't mean that it was any good. personally, i never watched the show so i cant say if its good or not, but the show was basically for girls. would smallville have lasted this long if it were on abc or nbc? smallville's ratings have had a steady decline. while it is great that it has lasted long, the show has wasted its potential. the creators never wanted a show about superman, and that is where i believe is the problem. they never wanted clark out of smallville and we essentially have a superman show with no superman. that is why i think the fans are so fed up. we have lois, clark and jimmy in metropolis and we are to believe that its to lead to superman 1?

they were on the right track with the creation of the fortress but so many things have changed in this version of superman, that the show is losing the fans who have kept with the show for so long. lets face it, it is the teenage girls and the fans of the comic books who probably normally watch this show; take away the fans of the comics and i doubt the show would have lasted as long as it did. this is very sad to me because this show could have been a fantastic introduction to superman with a season or two of welling in the suit, instead we really have gotten dawson's smallville.

CW / WB / whatever the **** it's called is the main reason it turned into a Soap Opera. That's how just about every main show on their network has turned out recently.

 

[b24]

overall clark needs his ass out of freaking barn damn i almost feel sorry for jorel