9-11 Conspiracy Debunked

And exactly what "Atrocities" are those? I'm guessing Abu Gruab? OR is it just Iraq in General?

There are terrible things that happen in this world, But do you really think that our Government would actually attack, let any one attack, "conspire" attacks on our own land, our own PEOPLE! This is sick that Liberal, Socialist Hatemongers have gained enough influence on the College Campuses, Indoctornating, and making Liberal Zeolots who believe only what College Professors tell them. Who like to believe in wild theories that a 6 year old can see through. Its truley amazing! I hear over and over that Bush is an Idiot, but he was a mastermind for 9/11. What kind of Oxymoronic bull S*** is that!?!
"All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men and women to do nothing." Now, I'm not sure who said that, but that is what I beleive happened with 9/11. The Bush administration knew it was coming, and did nothing. The gave them the support they need to go into war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
 
You're clearly not reading what a host of posters have already written before me. I don't think Bush could mastermind a game of tag. However the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, WTO, the sources of their wealth and billionaire owners of multinational industry can do whatever the **** they please and you give them the power to do it.

As far as atrocities are concerned, Panama, Guatemala, the assasiation of Omar Torrijos and the halting of cheap AIDS medication being sent to Africa under the WTO's Trips program come to mind. There are a host of others, but I'm not your teacher. Your responsible for educating yourself.
I like this noob. Welcome to the Hype! :up:
 
It should also be noted that the first thing Gen. Bremmer did as interim governor of Iraq after Saddam's disposition was retool the country's trade policies and wipe out all trade tariffs on imported goods making Iraq a dumping ground for cheap foreign goods and putting much of Iraq's home-based industry out of work. The removal of these tariffs was highly beneficial to US industry, which many say was one of the core reasons behind the whole invasion.
 
"All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men and women to do nothing." Now, I'm not sure who said that...
It's from freaking Batman Begins and please for GOD F***ING sakes everyone stop using it. Political discussion and blockbuster movie lines shouldn't mix, ever...it demeans the entire conversation.

Not singling you out, because you said you didn't know who said it, but just as a general rule. It's bad form when you're debating something to mix fantasy and reality.
 
It's from freaking Batman Begins and please for GOD F***ING sakes everyone stop using it. Political discussion and blockbuster movie lines shouldn't mix, ever...it demeans the entire conversation.

Not singling you out, because you said you didn't know who said it, but just as a general rule. It's bad form when you're debating something to mix fantasy and reality.
It was used in Batman Begins, but it is way older than that.
I found it...
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Edmund Burke 1729-1797
 
It's from freaking Batman Begins and please for GOD F***ING sakes everyone stop using it. Political discussion and blockbuster movie lines shouldn't mix, ever...it demeans the entire conversation.

Not singling you out, because you said you didn't know who said it, but just as a general rule. It's bad form when you're debating something to mix fantasy and reality.
it may just be a quote from a movie, but even you can't deny that there is a point in that quote.
 
I think something similar was said before Begins.
 
that's paraphrasing edmund burke.altho he might not have actually said it or a varient, but it's normally attributed to him.
 
It was used in Batman Begins, but it is way older than that.
I found it...
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Edmund Burke 1729-1797
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It was used in Batman Begins, but it is way older than that.
It's an oversimilification of a basic idea that's found in countless sources...but in the end that particular quote is about as meaningful as "There is no future but what we make for ourselves"-John Conner. You can't take a quote and stand it on it's own, without context, and expect it to mean anything.
 
For nearly three years now, I've researched both 9/11 conspiracy theories, as well as articles debunking those theories. I first started my research by reading into the conspiracy theories. That a U.S. rocket slammed into the Pentagon instead of a jet, that the WTC towers, as well as WTC 7, were demolished by the use of controled explosives, that United Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville, PA, and that all of these acts were commited by the U.S. government and subsequently covered up with the facade of Arabic terrorism to create a deep paranoia and fear amongst the American people. A paranoia that can be used to exploit their free will; a fear used to convince Americans to surrender freedom for a false sense of security, to surrender humanity for patriotism, to give the U.S. government and military the mandate to pre-emptively attack and invade soverign nations over secretly reserved greed and corruption at the top levels of our government. This widespread fear and paranoia are not the consequences of an evil and powerful government conspiracy, but the consequences of a tragic and dastardly attack on our nation. The terror that was unleashed on September 11th has made many of us surrender some of our freedom for heightened security, and it has made many of us loyal patriots first, compassionate human beings second. This was the goal of September 11th. It was engineered to create widespread fear amongst our people, to make us question our government and ponder whether we really are the good guys, or in actuallity the root of many of the worlds evils. But it was not engineered by our government. It was engineered by Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Queda. Its just not possible for the U.S. government to carry this all out, undoubtedly with the use of thousands of people, without letting it leak

This would be the best kept secret in the history of the world. How could the government keep thousands of people that would be invovled in such an immense conspiracy sworn to secrecy. I'm not talking about the higher level officials, but the demolition experts that would have planted the bombs. The firefighters who supposedly cleared the area around WTC 7, knowing it was soon to be demolished by explosives. The structural engineers who examined the rubble of the WTC and falsey wrote reports covering up the fact that they were of a demolished building. What would all these people have to gain? Money? How long can money keep one's mouth closed? Especially the mouths of thouands of normal people? All of these people would rather have a nice pay day then attempt to warn others of what was in the works?

The process of demolishing even a small building takes weeks and weeks to plan, and physically implement, nevermind planning and carrying out the demolition of two of the tallest buildings in the world. That would take months, and even longer to put in motion. The sheer amount of explosives needed to level buildings of this size could not be kept inconspicuous to the thousands of employees and visitors that came in and out of the WTC every day. The amount of phyiscal work that would be required to prepare these explosives could not possibly go unnoticed as well. How could a project this massive be kept completley and utterly silenced?

If a plane didnt crash into the Pentagon, and if a plane didnt crash in Shanksville, then how were the bodies recovered, identified, and given burials by their families? Did the government crash a plane somewhere with the bodies of these passengers just to give their remains some authenticity to support the false official story? It doesn't add up. Why would the thousands of workers invovled in cleaning up the crash site in Shanksville and the Pentagon lie? Was it money again?

If this was all planned and orchestrated by the U.S. government, then it would undoubtedly would have taken years to plan it. This would take thousands of people, from the highest level of government, to thousands in private industry. There is no way that many people could keep this secret. If anyone can find a reliable source with somebody involved in the planning, implementation, or carrying out of the government orchestrated 9-11 attacks admitting to their participation and confessing their knowledge of the conspiracy, please post it.

There is no scientfic hard evidence behind these reasons. It is common sense. Its just not possible. 9-11 was a terrible day, and the consequences of that day have been equally terrible. We need to be very wary of subversion by those wishing to exploit this parnoia to achieve their political goals. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bush Administration has attempted to do this, are still trying, and may have had prior knowledge of an attack but did nothing to prevent it knowing its potential to manipulate the American people. However, this does not mean it was an inside job. While we need to be wary of demogouges in our own government wishing to profit on fear, we also need to be wary of those wishing to spread and inflame this paranoia by spreading unsound and unsupported conspiracy theories for their own profit as well.
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For nearly three years now, I've researched both 9/11 conspiracy theories, as well as articles debunking those theories. I first started my research by reading into the conspiracy theories. That a U.S. rocket slammed into the Pentagon instead of a jet, that the WTC towers, as well as WTC 7, were demolished by the use of controled explosives, that United Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville, PA, and that all of these acts were commited by the U.S. government and subsequently covered up with the facade of Arabic terrorism to create a deep paranoia and fear amongst the American people. A paranoia that can be used to exploit their free will; a fear used to convince Americans to surrender freedom for a false sense of security, to surrender humanity for patriotism, to give the U.S. government and military the mandate to pre-emptively attack and invade soverign nations over secretly reserved greed and corruption at the top levels of our government. This widespread fear and paranoia are not the consequences of an evil and powerful government conspiracy, but the consequences of a tragic and dastardly attack on our nation. The terror that was unleashed on September 11th has made many of us surrender some of our freedom for heightened security, and it has made many of us loyal patriots first, compassionate human beings second. This was the goal of September 11th. It was engineered to create widespread fear amongst our people, to make us question our government and ponder whether we really are the good guys, or in actuallity the root of many of the worlds evils. But it was not engineered by our government. It was engineered by Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Queda. Its just not possible for the U.S. government to carry this all out, undoubtedly with the use of thousands of people, without letting it leak

This would be the best kept secret in the history of the world. How could the government keep thousands of people that would be invovled in such an immense conspiracy sworn to secrecy. I'm not talking about the higher level officials, but the demolition experts that would have planted the bombs. The firefighters who supposedly cleared the area around WTC 7, knowing it was soon to be demolished by explosives. The structural engineers who examined the rubble of the WTC and falsey wrote reports covering up the fact that they were of a demolished building. What would all these people have to gain? Money? How long can money keep one's mouth closed? Especially the mouths of thouands of normal people? All of these people would rather have a nice pay day then attempt to warn others of what was in the works?

The process of demolishing even a small building takes weeks and weeks to plan, and physically implement, nevermind planning and carrying out the demolition of two of the tallest buildings in the world. That would take months, and even longer to put in motion. The sheer amount of explosives needed to level buildings of this size could not be kept inconspicuous to the thousands of employees and visitors that came in and out of the WTC every day. The amount of phyiscal work that would be required to prepare these explosives could not possibly go unnoticed as well. How could a project this massive be kept completley and utterly silenced?

If a plane didnt crash into the Pentagon, and if a plane didnt crash in Shanksville, then how were the bodies recovered, identified, and given burials by their families? Did the government crash a plane somewhere with the bodies of these passengers just to give their remains some authenticity to support the false official story? It doesn't add up. Why would the thousands of workers invovled in cleaning up the crash site in Shanksville and the Pentagon lie? Was it money again?

If this was all planned and orchestrated by the U.S. government, then it would undoubtedly would have taken years to plan it. This would take thousands of people, from the highest level of government, to thousands in private industry. There is no way that many people could keep this secret. If anyone can find a reliable source with somebody involved in the planning, implementation, or carrying out of the government orchestrated 9-11 attacks admitting to their participation and confessing their knowledge of the conspiracy, please post it.

There is no scientfic hard evidence behind these reasons. It is common sense. Its just not possible. 9-11 was a terrible day, and the consequences of that day have been equally terrible. We need to be very wary of subversion by those wishing to exploit this parnoia to achieve their political goals. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bush Administration has attempted to do this, are still trying, and may have had prior knowledge of an attack but did nothing to prevent it knowing its potential to manipulate the American people. However, this does not mean it was an inside job. While we need to be wary of demogouges in our own government wishing to profit on fear, we also need to be wary of those wishing to spread and inflame this paranoia by spreading unsound and unsupported conspiracy theories for their own profit as well.
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Hmm, sure they could, just look at Area 51. :hehe:


For those who can't tell, this is sarcasm.
 
Very well said DV, pretty much sums up my views. I'm just to lazy to type all that.
 
"All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men and women to do nothing." Now, I'm not sure who said that, but that is what I beleive happened with 9/11. The Bush administration knew it was coming, and did nothing. The gave them the support they need to go into war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

How would you expect the Bush administration to stop the attack? The terrorists were already in America. This new administration had been in power for less than nine months. Where they suppose to ground all flights until the terrorists were caught? How were they even to know who were the terroristis?

This is my biggest problem with the idea that Bush "allowed" 9/11 to happened. To say he "allowed" it to happen implies he had some way to stop it - when, IMO, he couldn't of given how late he entered in the equation.
 
Anyone who questions the government....is a ******.

All the physicists and engineers and the VERY FIREMEN THAT WERE THERE who have contradicted the official gov't. story.....all ******s.

Anyone who knows about history and how governments work...a ******.

Anyone who can tell when someone's lying, can PROVE when someone's lying, and who can perceive patterns in behavior....a ******.


It shows you the level of intellect you're up against when you don't get all of your info from the corrupt, centrally-owned media outlets.
Every 9/11 thread I see.........I see people bringing up facts that would make any thinking person suspicious at the very LEAST, and then a bunch of kids who haven't done a lick of research, knee-jerk-affixing the "******" label to anyone who doesn't agree with them.

:up: x3000
 
How would you expect the Bush administration to stop the attack? The terrorists were already in America. This new administration had been in power for less than nine months. Where they suppose to ground all flights until the terrorists were caught? How were they even to know who were the terroristis?

This is my biggest problem with the idea that Bush "allowed" 9/11 to happened. To say he "allowed" it to happen implies he had some way to stop it - when, IMO, he couldn't of given how late he entered in the equation.
Well, he did have that memo, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within U.S.." Maybe he could have done something with that.
 
Well, he did have that memo, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within U.S.." Maybe he could have done something with that.

...in other news the sky is blue. :wow:
 
Pffft! You're all wrong, you know. It was really Reptilians acting on orders from Xenu that pulled off the 9/11 attacks.

jag
 
Pffft! You're all wrong, you know. It was really Reptilians acting on orders from Xenu that pulled off the 9/11 attacks.

jag


Pfft! we all know they werent even there that day .
 
It's from freaking Batman Begins and please for GOD F***ING sakes everyone stop using it. Political discussion and blockbuster movie lines shouldn't mix, ever
:pal: That was a laugh that I needed. Thanks
 

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