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We've all heard the question "If you could take any obscure Marvel character, or more prominant character who is a supporting character or antagonist in another book, and give him or her a solo series, who would it be?" on these boards a million times. I ask the same question, but with a bit of a challange tacked on: Write up an actual pitch for said series, as if you were submiting said pitch to Marvel.
 
I would go with Doc samson, but I will give the pitch later.
 
good idea for a thread.:up:
I'll put something together
 
We've all heard the question "If you could take any obscure Marvel character, or more prominant character who is a supporting character or antagonist in another book, and give him or her a solo series, who would it be?" on these boards a million times. I ask the same question, but with a bit of a challange tacked on: Write up an actual pitch for said series, as if you were submiting said pitch to Marvel.

Screw you, I know what you're going to do. You're waiting for one of us to post something on a random character then you'll steal it take it to Marvel and publish it as your own.

I'm on to you! :mad:

That said, Impossible Man is the obvious choice.
 
Black Knight as the go-to guy for all things supernatural. The Black Knight is a fantastic character who's desperately in need of a series and the Marvel universe is woefully lacking in the supernatural at the moment. Marry the two and pay tribute to the Black Knight's scientific background by having him attack mystical problems empirically. It'd be awesome.
 
Black Knight as the go-to guy for all things supernatural. The Black Knight is a fantastic character who's desperately in need of a series and the Marvel universe is woefully lacking in the supernatural at the moment. Marry the two and pay tribute to the Black Knight's scientific background by having him attack mystical problems empirically. It'd be awesome.

So, he'd be a bit like Scully with a broadsword?
 
Basically. I imagine I'd draw inspiration from Angel, since the concepts are so similar, and give him a good supporting cast to back him up. As much as I love Dane, though, I'm kind of at a loss for charismatic people with a connection to him who aren't already involved in other series (Captain Britain) or unavailable for other reasons (Sersi). Maybe he could hook up with some off-the-wall supernatural types, like Hannibal King. I always thought Hannibal King could use some more exploring.
 
Title: Shroud

Artist: Mark Texeira

Premise: Max Q. Coleridge, a.k.a. The Shroud, has always had a simular problem to another relaunched Marvel vigilante, Moon Knight, in that his origin & motif are very familiar to more notable characters, namely Batman. Like Wayne, Max was traumatized by the murder of his parents by a gunman. However, he is also much like The Shadow (who predates Batman), as he traveled to an Oriental cult to learn how to manipulate shadows. He also is technically blind, but has a "mystical sense" that compensates and allows him to see in total darkness, much like Daredevil, or Dr. Mid-Nite. The one thing that Shroud can call his own is that he basically is an "undercover", a vigilante who prefers to pretend to be a villian to undermine crime from within. In this way, approaching a story with him should be an urban thriller much like the films HEAT or MIAMI VICE (the film version was quite gritty), or some urban stuff like CRIMINAL, THE HOOD, or UNDERWORLD.

Firstly, his design needs a tweak. The cape has to go; as Shroud's darkness cannot be used to teleport (like Cloak), or has any mass for outright solid shapes, like Darkstar, he has to rely on guile and prowess. For a physical fighter, a cape is a huge disadvantage. To keep the hood, a "hoodie" sort of design is suggested; everything is the same, only without the cape it seems sleeker. Shroud's advantage is that within his own darkness, he is master. He can see, he can confuse with gobs of semi tangible shadows to confuse enemies and his mystical darkness has even sometimes disrupted other extra-sensory powers. His style should also seem akin to a pitfighter, doing what is quick and effective, vs. being flashy.

Secondly, the recent CIVIL WAR likely did much to add "street cred" to a figure who, despite his best intentions, likely was becoming affiliated with the Avengers. True, he allied with Julia Carpenter, who is now in Omega Flight. But he ran from the law, broke out of Rikers, fought Wonder Man & Ms. Marvel, and took part in the final showdown in Midtown. This helps add to his credibility that he was always a villian. With Kingpin's reign limited with his prison stint and subsequent "laying low" tactics, and Hammerhead seemingly deceased for the moment, Nefaria (as in "Count Nefaria") is seeking to horn in and expand his markets, before the 50 Teams can be in place to disrupt his operations even further (it turns out that before CW, he has a wide empire of the states between where the superhuman element was rare). While the man himself prefers to remain out of sight since his Raft breakout, many supervillians who have remained in the country want to become "made" in his racket. His most recent "made members" are Electro, because of his aid in his freedom, and Man Mountain Marko, now called Triple M, who has continued using various hormones, steroids, and even MGH to become even stronger and tougher than he was before, so much so that sometimes he's called "Marko Pills" because he always is popping SOMETHING. Nefaria is currently paying for Dillon's legal team to get him out of prison following his arrest at the hands of Iron Man & SHIELD, but Triple M acts as a key go-between. He organizes the various things that Nefaria wants done, from pimping out prostitutes to shipping drugs or bootleg merchandise, to the occasional robbery. Nefaria's game is not to specialize in one or two things, but attempt everything. Cast out a wide net for the most profits.

Shroud decides that his best bet would be to attempt to become a made man in Nefaria's cartel and that means rising through the ranks, and part of that means ensuring that he is the only member of "crews" that Triple M assembles who either accomplishes a task or escapes. His only real ally, who knows what he is doing, is Skein, formerly Gypsy Moth and former member of his CA based "Night Shift". She still is slightly bitter over not being able to ensnare Songbird with her charms and while she does accompany Shroud sometimes and act as his supporting member, Max sometimes never knows if she may sell him out for a big score. The tale of Kingpin buying Daredevil's identity for nothing more than a hit of heroin for his girlfriend is a lesson every vigilante has to learn. His other connection is Nick Fury, who also is underground and provides Max with some funds and safehouses when he needs them.

Sometimes rigging some job entails leaving a "tip" to some established hero network, or rigging a machine, or deliberately engaging in rivalries with some of his given crewmates for a job so that when he does "backstab" them, it simply is their word vs. his, and if Shroud has the goods, why should Nef believe his rival? Unfortunately for Max, this time around he finds he is very good at what he does on both ends, and become rather successful. He could safely engrain himself with the Maggia after a while and live out a comfortable lifestyle, or he could continue his tightrope until something gives, and he winds up fighting for his life against a don who can wrestle even a Thunder God?
 
Basically. I imagine I'd draw inspiration from Angel, since the concepts are so similar, and give him a good supporting cast to back him up. As much as I love Dane, though, I'm kind of at a loss for charismatic people with a connection to him who aren't already involved in other series (Captain Britain) or unavailable for other reasons (Sersi). Maybe he could hook up with some off-the-wall supernatural types, like Hannibal King. I always thought Hannibal King could use some more exploring.

Sounds cool. Question: Would there be a costume re-design at all? I would think, if you're taking him from the angle of a demon hunter/paranormal investigator, then he wouldn't be in armor when called in for basic investigating, but would be wearing it when he knew he was about to get into a fight.
 
Title: Shroud

Artist: Mark Texeira

Premise: Max Q. Coleridge, a.k.a. The Shroud, has always had a simular problem to another relaunched Marvel vigilante, Moon Knight, in that his origin & motif are very familiar to more notable characters, namely Batman. Like Wayne, Max was traumatized by the murder of his parents by a gunman. However, he is also much like The Shadow (who predates Batman), as he traveled to an Oriental cult to learn how to manipulate shadows. He also is technically blind, but has a "mystical sense" that compensates and allows him to see in total darkness, much like Daredevil, or Dr. Mid-Nite. The one thing that Shroud can call his own is that he basically is an "undercover", a vigilante who prefers to pretend to be a villian to undermine crime from within. In this way, approaching a story with him should be an urban thriller much like the films HEAT or MIAMI VICE (the film version was quite gritty), or some urban stuff like CRIMINAL, THE HOOD, or UNDERWORLD.

Firstly, his design needs a tweak. The cape has to go; as Shroud's darkness cannot be used to teleport (like Cloak), or has any mass for outright solid shapes, like Darkstar, he has to rely on guile and prowess. For a physical fighter, a cape is a huge disadvantage. To keep the hood, a "hoodie" sort of design is suggested; everything is the same, only without the cape it seems sleeker. Shroud's advantage is that within his own darkness, he is master. He can see, he can confuse with gobs of semi tangible shadows to confuse enemies and his mystical darkness has even sometimes disrupted other extra-sensory powers. His style should also seem akin to a pitfighter, doing what is quick and effective, vs. being flashy.

Secondly, the recent CIVIL WAR likely did much to add "street cred" to a figure who, despite his best intentions, likely was becoming affiliated with the Avengers. True, he allied with Julia Carpenter, who is now in Omega Flight. But he ran from the law, broke out of Rikers, fought Wonder Man & Ms. Marvel, and took part in the final showdown in Midtown. This helps add to his credibility that he was always a villian. With Kingpin's reign limited with his prison stint and subsequent "laying low" tactics, and Hammerhead seemingly deceased for the moment, Nefaria (as in "Count Nefaria") is seeking to horn in and expand his markets, before the 50 Teams can be in place to disrupt his operations even further (it turns out that before CW, he has a wide empire of the states between where the superhuman element was rare). While the man himself prefers to remain out of sight since his Raft breakout, many supervillians who have remained in the country want to become "made" in his racket. His most recent "made members" are Electro, because of his aid in his freedom, and Man Mountain Marko, now called Triple M, who has continued using various hormones, steroids, and even MGH to become even stronger and tougher than he was before, so much so that sometimes he's called "Marko Pills" because he always is popping SOMETHING. Nefaria is currently paying for Dillon's legal team to get him out of prison following his arrest at the hands of Iron Man & SHIELD, but Triple M acts as a key go-between. He organizes the various things that Nefaria wants done, from pimping out prostitutes to shipping drugs or bootleg merchandise, to the occasional robbery. Nefaria's game is not to specialize in one or two things, but attempt everything. Cast out a wide net for the most profits.

Shroud decides that his best bet would be to attempt to become a made man in Nefaria's cartel and that means rising through the ranks, and part of that means ensuring that he is the only member of "crews" that Triple M assembles who either accomplishes a task or escapes. His only real ally, who knows what he is doing, is Skein, formerly Gypsy Moth and former member of his CA based "Night Shift". She still is slightly bitter over not being able to ensnare Songbird with her charms and while she does accompany Shroud sometimes and act as his supporting member, Max sometimes never knows if she may sell him out for a big score. The tale of Kingpin buying Daredevil's identity for nothing more than a hit of heroin for his girlfriend is a lesson every vigilante has to learn. His other connection is Nick Fury, who also is underground and provides Max with some funds and safehouses when he needs them.

Sometimes rigging some job entails leaving a "tip" to some established hero network, or rigging a machine, or deliberately engaging in rivalries with some of his given crewmates for a job so that when he does "backstab" them, it simply is their word vs. his, and if Shroud has the goods, why should Nef believe his rival? Unfortunately for Max, this time around he finds he is very good at what he does on both ends, and become rather successful. He could safely engrain himself with the Maggia after a while and live out a comfortable lifestyle, or he could continue his tightrope until something gives, and he winds up fighting for his life against a don who can wrestle even a Thunder God?

That sounds ****ing amazing, I must say. Obviously, I always saw Shroud as an "ends justify the means" type of hero who's aditude towards organized crime is very much like that of an 1800s ganglord (if you want to protect your neighborhood, start your own gang and beat in the kneecaps of anyone who tries to lay a claim to your territory with a led pipe). That definately seems like the idea of your pitch. Might even be interesting to have him be a drug addict due to his trying to fit in with the criminal element.
 
That sounds ****ing amazing, I must say. Obviously, I always saw Shroud as an "ends justify the means" type of hero who's aditude towards organized crime is very much like that of an 1800s ganglord (if you want to protect your neighborhood, start your own gang and beat in the kneecaps of anyone who tries to lay a claim to your territory with a led pipe). That definately seems like the idea of your pitch. Might even be interesting to have him be a drug addict due to his trying to fit in with the criminal element.

Not sure about the drug thing, but I definately could see Shroud surviving a few "rigged missions" and yes, his efforts got some nasty crooks/villians either back behind bars or mangled in the hospital for a stint, but he also has gotten himself higher in the ranks of the Maggia. More access to the perks that come with it. If he just told Fury to take a hike, cut off communications, get Skein to agree with him (wouldn't be hard), he could have it easier as an underboss, who knows how both crooks AND heroes tend to operate. But so long as he maintains his vigilante mission, he never knows how long he will have before the rug is pulled. It's a tightrope and Max has to always reexamine whether his mission is worth that risk. After all, if Skein doesn't betray him, if he goes down, so does she.

It also would be cool to see some of his powers looked into. Such as, with concentration he can make his darkness able to overcome whatever equipment or power he wants so long as he focuses, since with no teleportation and limited shaping, darkness is all he has. One example; during a planned robbery, Shroud's darkness could be used as cover and Max could claim, "Oh, but if everyone uses Brand X type infrared, they can see through it", and then in the middle, he overcomes it and uses it to beat them all, but accomplish the robbery himself. It could be blamed on the infred malfunctioning, and Max's swearing he saw Daredevil or Iron Fist show up.

Of course, from RUNAWAYS, there is MGH that can duplicate Cloak's powers, so that could be a temptation. While someone like Batman never forgets his original purpose, I could see Max as forever questioning whether the memory of his parents 20+ years ago is forever worth playing Russian Roulette with the underworld and not cashing in.
 
Not sure about the drug thing, but I definately could see Shroud surviving a few "rigged missions" and yes, his efforts got some nasty crooks/villians either back behind bars or mangled in the hospital for a stint, but he also has gotten himself higher in the ranks of the Maggia. More access to the perks that come with it. If he just told Fury to take a hike, cut off communications, get Skein to agree with him (wouldn't be hard), he could have it easier as an underboss, who knows how both crooks AND heroes tend to operate. But so long as he maintains his vigilante mission, he never knows how long he will have before the rug is pulled. It's a tightrope and Max has to always reexamine whether his mission is worth that risk. After all, if Skein doesn't betray him, if he goes down, so does she.

Very cool. Could even have a few moments where he contimplates giving up his goal of one by one toppling syndicates from the inside, and instead sticking with one territory in one city and keeping it safe from other gangs.
 
Very cool. Could even have a few moments where he contimplates giving up his goal of one by one toppling syndicates from the inside, and instead sticking with one territory in one city and keeping it safe from other gangs.

Yeah. I remember when Daredevil took over Hell's Kitchen and figured that would've been a good gimmick for Shroud somewhere.
 
I'd take Toxin. But get rid of Pat Mulligan and trade him in for some stereotypical raging angry black man that talks all gangster and watch the fun.

Having the symbiote being confused over what the host is saying would be hillarious. For like an issue. But hey, hillarious none-the-less.
 
Then he could team up with Black Panther, Luke Cage, Brother Voodoo and Blade and Luke Cage could say something like "It's the first time theres even been an all black superhero team and you're complaining" or whatever he said in that one BP arc. Oh how I love Luke Cage.
 
I have a good idea, but it's for the Fantastic Four, not an obscure character :(
 
i will have to come back here later seeing as its 2:36 am and i need sleep.
 
Sounds cool. Question: Would there be a costume re-design at all? I would think, if you're taking him from the angle of a demon hunter/paranormal investigator, then he wouldn't be in armor when called in for basic investigating, but would be wearing it when he knew he was about to get into a fight.
I'd probably scale it back to something like Madrox's outfit in X-Factor. Probably just a shirt with the red bird sigil of all the Black Knights. He'd have his Avalonian amulet on, of course, so he'd be able to call his armor on the fly whenever he wanted. Strider also magically appears whenever Dane calls him, so, really, it'd be very easy for him to switch between plain clothes and fully armed and armored.

I just remembered that Dane has a castle in England, so the series would take place in England and Dane would operate out of Garrett Castle. Victoria Bentley (the castle's caretaker while Dane is away) would be part of his supporting cast.

Also, I came up with a Middle Eastern character for one of the "make your own Young Avenger" threads that were all the rage a few months back, based on the Black Knight in a similar way to how Patriot is based on Cap. He was the heretofore unknown son of Nathan Garrett and an Iranian woman (the point was for the character to have a legacy that extended back to Persia), and he was a latent mutant. Having only recently learned of his father's identity and wanting to get in touch with that part of his heritage, he decides to go to college in England (Cambridge or Oxford or whichever English university is closest to Garrett Castle, which I can't find any location information on beyond "in England"). He, of course, goes to see Garrett Castle and winds up getting caught in the crossfire of one of Dane's battles. He touches the Ebony Blade, which activates his mutant power. If his power had activated normally, it would've been the ability to transform his body into any material he touched, but because of the trauma of its late activation and the Ebony Blade's mystical properties, he's locked into just transforming back and forth between his human body and the Ebony Blade's mystical material. Both he and Dane are resistant to any further contact, but circumstances force them together and they develop a friendship/familial bond, which eventually leads to the kid joining Dane's fight as a powerhouse and Dane training him. Dane gives him an ancient Persian shamshir as a gift.
 
Isn't this pretty much the Anubis How would you do it thread?
 
Isn't this pretty much the Anubis How would you do it thread?

Kinda, only it's started by The Question.

Hey, if Anubis comes in and objects I'd be glad to paste my pitch in his topic too. :)
 
Thanks for bolding the names Dread, becuase I couldn't read them with the normal font.
 
I was going to pass judgement on the mispelling of challenge in the title of a thread about writing but...somehow I just don't have the energy I used to :(
 

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